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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,925
    edited December 2013

    In 2009 Al Gore said that all the polar ice would be gone by 2014.

    Apparently those GW scientists believed him, and now they, along with their ship, are encased in 10 ft. thick open ocean ice somewhere near Antarctica, waiting to be rescued. So far, three different ice breakers have tried and failed to get to them. You couldn't make this stuff up !

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845
    edited December 2013

    Al was talking about northern summer ice. And quoting the Navy. (link)

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,593

    @houdini1 said: In 2009 Al Gore said that all the polar ice would be gone by 2014.

    Apparently those GW scientists believed him, and now they, along with their ship, are encased in 10 ft. thick open ocean ice somewhere near Antarctica, waiting to be rescued. So far, three different ice breakers have tried and failed to get to them. You couldn't make this stuff up !

    LOL, not for the folks on board, but at your post.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    This is summer in Antarctica and they are getting frozen in. Hmmm Hope they learn something about GW. I think the Sun is doing some strange things that science is being baffled by. That will have a much more dramatic impact on our climate. Who knows we may roll around and once again the Arctic will be in the tropical zone as it once was. Who will survive. Good thing I still have all my Arctic gear.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2531159/Antarctic-crew-build-ice-helipad-help-rescuers.html

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    The sun has “flipped upside down”, with its north and south poles reversed to reach the midpoint of Solar Cycle 24, Nasa has said.

    Now, the magnetic fields will once again start moving in opposite directions to begin the completion of the 22 year long process which will culminate in the poles switching once again.

    “A reversal of the sun’s magnetic field is, literally, a big event,” said Nasa’s Dr. Tony Phillips.

    “The domain of the sun’s magnetic influence (also known as the ‘heliosphere’) extends billions of kilometers beyond Pluto. Changes to the field’s polarity ripple all the way out to the Voyager probes, on the doorstep of interstellar space.”

    To mark the event, Nasa has released a visualisation of the entire process.

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,925

    @carnaught said: LOL, Of course. I was just pointing out the irony and hope they remain safe and are rescued soon. It is a good thing they had the good sense to attempt this expedition during the summer months in that region.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845

    @gagrice said: The sun has “flipped upside down”, with its north and south poles reversed to reach the midpoint of Solar Cycle 24, Nasa has said.

    Wunderground points to the "polar vortex".

    There was a company giveaway one year and a woman won a "cruise" to Antarctica. She swapped the prize with a coworker - more of an "adventure guy" that I had met a few times. That guy went on the cruise and the ship sank. The passengers wound up in cattle car conditions on the Chilean rescue boat.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    I have had several friends that worked at that permanent station in Antarctica. No way would I go that remote. At least in Prudhoe I could fly, drive or take a barge ride out. With a little more warming a trip across the Arctic may make for a nice vacation. NOT. :p

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845
    edited December 2013

    I think I'm on that vacation right now. Windy, a few inches of new snow and the wind chill is coming in at -8 °F. We're walking to town shortly for breakfast where all the talk will be about the weather (as opposed to GW or climate change). :D

    Ah, never mind, we're driving. Seeing the neighbor's garbage can fly down the street gave us second thoughts. And now the neighbor has chased it down and is taking it to his garage. Bare handed. Tougher old bird than I am!

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022
    edited December 2013

    I will not believe those compiling the data until our two local RAWS are accurate. They are spot on with my thermometer until the sun gets up a ways. Then they shoot up at least 10 degrees above actual ambient temperature. That has been one of the arguments from the beginning against the GW Agenda. And as close as I can tell all the ice did not melt out of the Arctic last Summer as Egore prophesied while giving his undeserved Nobel prize speech. In fact there was more ice this summer than 2007 when he gave the speech. Climate scientist cannot predict the weather for next week all that well. Predicting 10-20-100 years ahead is pure poppycock.

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,925

    Polar vortex? Hmmm.. why didn't all those esteemed scientists come up with some wild theory like this to explain the LOSS of ice in the northern hemisphere? I guess that just didn't fit their agenda, eh? Instead, up north, it is just all those pesky greenhouse gases. How funny.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845
    edited December 2013

    @gagrice, didn't that Berkeley guy review all the weather station info and determine that the out of whack stations didn't make any difference to the data, nor did the urban heat island effect? Yeah, here we go. (carbonbrief.org).

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,925

    It doesn't make a difference because ALL the data is being manipulated anyway. Nothing will compromise already compromised data.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845

    Well, there's data and there's stuff you can see by looking. Like mangroves moving north. (smithsonianmag.com)

    You may prefer mangroves and manatees to the salt marshes, but Floridians are also getting Brazilian pepper and Asian psyllid as it warms.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    I will give you the current example. RAWS is sending back to the NWS a temperature of 65.6 degrees, Fact is it is only 54 degrees out of the sun. No way they can put all those temps in without screwing up the overall data. If it happens at my two RAWS it happens all over the globe. And other studies have said just the opposite. Anyone from Berkeley has questionable motives. Maybe the Koch brothers have decided to join and make money. Latest is CCS to extract oil using Coal powered generators.

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845

    Tidester had a word for that "garbage" data, like my occasional error in my gas logs. It all evens out in the wash. Mueller from Berkeley was the denier who changed his stripes, you'll recall.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    I am on the GIGO side of the CC story. I am with Australia, Canada, UK and even Japan that have toned down their gungho views of CC/GW. It is purely a political issue anymore. The Liberals that want to tax the people and call it a carbon tax are losing elections around the globe. When you can no longer afford electricity for your home because of GW mandates you may wonder if it was such a good idea to elect people that push that agenda. The GW Liars at the NWS are recording this very minute that we are at 73.7 degrees F. When in FACT it is 61 degrees and I am bundled up in my home wearing a wool shirt to save on very expensive propane at $3.29 GGE. I really need to move to a state where there is some sanity in the government.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    Many more have gone from believers to deniers than the other way around. I guess they put integrity ahead of a big fat check from the GW pushers in the various governments.

    Al Gore says any scientist who disagrees with him on Global Warming is a kook, or a crook.

    Guess he never met these guys

    Dr. Edward Wegman--former chairman of the Committee on Applied and Theoretical Statistics of the National Academy of Sciences--demolishes the famous "hockey stick" graph that launched the global warming panic.

    Dr. David Bromwich--president of the International Commission on Polar Meteorology--says "it's hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now."

    Prof. Paul Reiter--Chief of Insects and Infectious Diseases at the famed Pasteur Institute--says "no major scientist with any long record in this field" accepts Al Gore's claim that global warming spreads mosquito-borne diseases.

    Prof. Hendrik Tennekes--director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute--states "there exists no sound theoretical framework for climate predictability studies" used for global warming forecasts.

    Dr. Christopher Landsea--past chairman of the American Meteorological Society's Committee on Tropical Meteorology and Tropical Cyclones--says "there are no known scientific studies that show a conclusive physical link between global warming and observed hurricane frequency and intensity."

    Dr. Antonino Zichichi--one of the world's foremost physicists, former president of the European Physical Society, who discovered nuclear antimatter--calls global warming models "incoherent and invalid."

    Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski--world-renowned expert on the ancient ice cores used in climate research--says the U.N. "based its global-warming hypothesis on arbitrary assumptions and these assumptions, it is now clear, are false."

    Prof. Tom V. Segalstad--head of the Geological Museum, University of Oslo--says "most leading geologists" know the U.N.'s views "of Earth processes are implausible."

    Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu--founding director of the International Arctic Research Center, twice named one of the "1,000 Most Cited Scientists," says much "Arctic warming during the last half of the last century is due to natural change."

    Dr. Claude Allegre--member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences and French Academy of Science, he was among the first to sound the alarm on the dangers of global warming. His view now: "The cause of this climate change is unknown."

    Dr. Richard Lindzen--Professor of Meteorology at M.I.T., member, the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, says global warming alarmists "are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right."

    Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov--head of the space research laboratory of the Russian Academy of Science's Pulkovo Observatory and of the International Space Station's Astrometria project says "the common view that man's industrial activity is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."

    Dr. Richard Tol--Principal researcher at the Institute for Environmental Studies at Vrije Universiteit, and Adjunct Professor at the Center for Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, at Carnegie Mellon University, calls the most influential global warming report of all time "preposterous . . . alarmist and incompetent."

    Dr. Sami Solanki--director and scientific member at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany, who argues that changes in the Sun's state, not human activity, may be the principal cause of global warming: "The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures."

    Prof. Freeman Dyson--one of the world's most eminent physicists says the models used to justify global warming alarmism are "full of fudge factors" and "do not begin to describe the real world."

    Dr. Eigils Friis-Christensen--director of the Danish National Space Centre, vice-president of the International Association of Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, who argues that changes in the Sun's behavior could account for most of the warming attributed by the UN to man-made CO2.

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345

    @gagrice said: snip

    Al Gore says any scientist who disagrees with him on Global Warming is a kook, or a crook.

    Guess he never met these guys > snip

    Wow...that's rich...talk about the pot calling the kettle black.. :(

    Regarding your list...as Teri Hatcher said, on her way out of Jerry's apartment after he managed to put his foot in it, about her own boobs..."they're real and they're SPECTACULAR!"

    What a line-up..perfect..where are you Gore? Have a looksee here..idiot.. pffttttt

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,925
    edited December 2013

    I read this somewhere recently and will try to hit the main points:

    The U.S. has only about 450 elected politicians who make decisions affecting the other 300 million of us. These 450 people are legally and morally responsible for all the domestic problems that currently plague our country. All these problems exist because these 450 people want them to exist.

    If our tax code is ridiculous and unfair, it is because they want it this way.

    If the budget is in the red, it is because they want it this way.

    If we have troops in many foreign countries, they want it this way.

    If we have a 20 trillion national debt, they are responsible and want it this way.

    If our infrastructure is a mess, it is because they want it this way.

    If we don't have term limits, it is because they want it this way.

    All of these problems could be solved if that is what they wanted.

    Remember this the next time you vote. If you vote to keep any of these 450 people, it is because you want it this way.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    This really makes you wonder about the scientific community pushing the GW Agenda:

    Today, while shopping at lunchtime for some last minute year end supplies, I got one of the strangest cell-phone calls ever. It was from my friend John Coleman, the founder of the Weather Channel and Chief meteorologist at KUSI-TV in San Diego. He was calling via cell phone from his car, and he was on his way into the TV station early.

    He started off by saying, “Anthony, we have a really strange situation here”.

    Then to my surprise, he relayed a conversation he had just had; a person on the Akademik Shokalskiy had reached out, because they didn’t have adequate weather data on-board. At first, I thought John was pulling my leg, but then as he gave more details, I realized he was serious.

    What had happened was that the US Coast Guard had received a message from the ship, requesting weather and wind information for Antarctica. That got relayed to someone at the Scripps oceanographic Institute in San Diego, and it went to John’s weekend KUSI meteorologist Dave Scott. Dave had worked with a scientist who is now on the US Coast Guard IceBreaker Polar Star, and they had logged the request for weather for forecast data from Akademik Shokalskiy. That’s how all this got started.

    The message was that they needed better weather information on the ship than they had, specifically about wind and how it might affect the breakup of sea ice. John asked me to gather everything I had on the area and send it, and also to help him contact Joe D’Aleo of WeatherBell Analytics, because somehow John’s cellphone had gotten stuck into some sort of “private caller” mode and Joe wasn’t answering his phone due to how the incoming call looked.

    My first thought was that no matter how much we’ve been criticizing the expedition for its silliness, that if such a request had reached all the way from Antarctica to me, I’d do everything I could to help.

    I told John “give me 15 minutes”, which was about the time I’d need to get out of COSTCO and get back to my office and send along some things I knew would help.

    I immediately called Joe D’Aleo at WeatherBell, who was as incredulous as I at the request, and asked him to call John Coleman right away. I explained to him that we had to remember that we were dealing with a Russian ship, not a military ship, but a charter vessel and they likely didn’t have all the tools that American meteorologists had and may not even know where to look for better data. I also pointed out that the Australian scientists on-board were climatologists, and not operational weather forecasters, and finding this sort of weather data probably wasn’t in their skill set.

    Joe started working from the WeatherBell end, I finished my shopping and headed back to the office. As I drove, I started thinking about the situation with the ship there. They had wind compressing the ice into shore, with the Akademik Shokalskiy in the middle, and the wind wasn’t changing. They needed a wind shift in order to ease the pressure on the ice but they had no idea when that might happen. It was a waiting game, and as we know, the longer a ship remains trapped in sea ice, the greater its chances of having a hull breach due to the pressure.

    I knew just what to send, because it was something that had been discussed several times by commenters on WUWT. See more

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/31/wuwt-and-weatherbell-help-kusi-tv-with-a-weather-forecasting-request-from-ice-trapped-ship-in-antarctica-akademik-shokalskiy/

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    Looks like the Chinese are taking over control of the World Seas. Where is the US Coast Guard in this rescue operation?

    “The Chinese helicopter has arrived @ the Shokalskiy. It’s 100% we’re off! A huge thanks to all,” Turney tweeted, following it up with another update when he tweeted: “The first of the helicopters to take us home. Thanks everyone.”

    “Take off! Second team gone,” Turney tweeted after the second batch of passengers were lifted off to safety.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/long-awaited-rescue-begins-mv-akademik-shokalskiy-trapped-sea-ice-antarctica-passengers-be-rescued

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845
    edited January 2

    @gagrice said: Where is the US Coast Guard in this rescue operation?

    Amver is behind the scenes. The rest of the crews are filming for that reality show up in Kodiak. :p

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,259

    Is this the ship that's there to study global warming but instead got stuck in the ice that's supposedly melting away because of my Buick leSabre using oil? Hee hee. Most reports about the ship's predicament leave out that they are there to study that elusive "Global Warming Trend"!

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,925

    Interesting post Gary. Heck, I did not know you were a celebrity ! Your friend that got rich from the weather channel got in some good licks ! Good for him.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845

    How thick is it?

    Having had time to pay much attention but did notice this tidbit at weatherunderground.

    Warmest November since records began in 1880

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022
    edited January 3

    I have a hard time trusting any data that comes from people that can lose their job for telling the truth. That would include EPA, NOAA, NASA, NSDC etc etc

    **For all you idiots that think climate skeptics are lavishly funded by ‘Big Oil’, read this Posted on January 3, 2014 by Guest Blogger ** Michael Mann, take note. One of the most ridiculous claims made by climate alarmists is that skeptics get huge gobs of oil coated money. For example, there is the recent claim:

    _Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed

    An extensive study into the financial networks that support groups denying the science behind climate change and opposing political action has found a vast, secretive web of think tanks and industry associations, bankrolled by conservative billionaires.

    "I call it the climate-change counter movement,” study author Robert Brulle, who published his results in the journal Climatic Change, told the Guardian. “It is not just a couple of rogue individuals doing this. This is a large-scale political effort.”_

    I’m sure if there was such money to go around, this event today would not be happening. Read this.

    http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/im-retiring-from-full-time-climate-change-blogging/

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022

    New truths about Antarctic revealed:

    Dr Pierre Dutrieux of the BAS adds, bluntly:

    "We found ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded, and less than half of that observed in 2010. This enormous, and unexpected, variability contradicts the widespread view that a simple and steady ocean warming in the region is eroding the West Antarctic Ice Sheet."

    The Science paper can be read by subscribers to the journal here. The BAS announcement of the results can be read here. Readers unfamiliar with the rules of the climate game should note that the term "climate variability" as used in those documents means for this purpose "climate effects not caused by humans"

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/03/antarctic_ice_shelf_melt_lowest_ever_recorded_just_not_much_affected_by_global_warming/

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,845
    edited January 4

    Interesting, since it's so "close" to Oz.

    Australia swelters under a sham climate change policy after hottest year on record

    That's from theguardian.com in the UK. Wonder how their politics come down compared to theregister.com. B) (No love lost per wikipedia).

    I gotta go with the Guardian - they're textile people. :)

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