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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678

    This really makes you wonder about the scientific community pushing the GW Agenda:

    Today, while shopping at lunchtime for some last minute year end supplies, I got one of the strangest cell-phone calls ever. It was from my friend John Coleman, the founder of the Weather Channel and Chief meteorologist at KUSI-TV in San Diego. He was calling via cell phone from his car, and he was on his way into the TV station early.

    He started off by saying, “Anthony, we have a really strange situation here”.

    Then to my surprise, he relayed a conversation he had just had; a person on the Akademik Shokalskiy had reached out, because they didn’t have adequate weather data on-board. At first, I thought John was pulling my leg, but then as he gave more details, I realized he was serious.

    What had happened was that the US Coast Guard had received a message from the ship, requesting weather and wind information for Antarctica. That got relayed to someone at the Scripps oceanographic Institute in San Diego, and it went to John’s weekend KUSI meteorologist Dave Scott. Dave had worked with a scientist who is now on the US Coast Guard IceBreaker Polar Star, and they had logged the request for weather for forecast data from Akademik Shokalskiy. That’s how all this got started.

    The message was that they needed better weather information on the ship than they had, specifically about wind and how it might affect the breakup of sea ice. John asked me to gather everything I had on the area and send it, and also to help him contact Joe D’Aleo of WeatherBell Analytics, because somehow John’s cellphone had gotten stuck into some sort of “private caller” mode and Joe wasn’t answering his phone due to how the incoming call looked.

    My first thought was that no matter how much we’ve been criticizing the expedition for its silliness, that if such a request had reached all the way from Antarctica to me, I’d do everything I could to help.

    I told John “give me 15 minutes”, which was about the time I’d need to get out of COSTCO and get back to my office and send along some things I knew would help.

    I immediately called Joe D’Aleo at WeatherBell, who was as incredulous as I at the request, and asked him to call John Coleman right away. I explained to him that we had to remember that we were dealing with a Russian ship, not a military ship, but a charter vessel and they likely didn’t have all the tools that American meteorologists had and may not even know where to look for better data. I also pointed out that the Australian scientists on-board were climatologists, and not operational weather forecasters, and finding this sort of weather data probably wasn’t in their skill set.

    Joe started working from the WeatherBell end, I finished my shopping and headed back to the office. As I drove, I started thinking about the situation with the ship there. They had wind compressing the ice into shore, with the Akademik Shokalskiy in the middle, and the wind wasn’t changing. They needed a wind shift in order to ease the pressure on the ice but they had no idea when that might happen. It was a waiting game, and as we know, the longer a ship remains trapped in sea ice, the greater its chances of having a hull breach due to the pressure.

    I knew just what to send, because it was something that had been discussed several times by commenters on WUWT. See more

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678

    Looks like the Chinese are taking over control of the World Seas. Where is the US Coast Guard in this rescue operation?

    “The Chinese helicopter has arrived @ the Shokalskiy. It’s 100% we’re off! A huge thanks to all,” Turney tweeted, following it up with another update when he tweeted: “The first of the helicopters to take us home. Thanks everyone.”

    “Take off! Second team gone,” Turney tweeted after the second batch of passengers were lifted off to safety.

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,964
    edited January 2

    @gagrice said: Where is the US Coast Guard in this rescue operation?

    Amver is behind the scenes. The rest of the crews are filming for that reality show up in Kodiak. :p

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,705

    Is this the ship that's there to study global warming but instead got stuck in the ice that's supposedly melting away because of my Buick leSabre using oil? Hee hee. Most reports about the ship's predicament leave out that they are there to study that elusive "Global Warming Trend"!

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,774

    Interesting post Gary. Heck, I did not know you were a celebrity ! Your friend that got rich from the weather channel got in some good licks ! Good for him.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,964

    How thick is it?

    Having had time to pay much attention but did notice this tidbit at weatherunderground.

    Warmest November since records began in 1880

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    edited January 3

    I have a hard time trusting any data that comes from people that can lose their job for telling the truth. That would include EPA, NOAA, NASA, NSDC etc etc

    **For all you idiots that think climate skeptics are lavishly funded by ‘Big Oil’, read this Posted on January 3, 2014 by Guest Blogger ** Michael Mann, take note. One of the most ridiculous claims made by climate alarmists is that skeptics get huge gobs of oil coated money. For example, there is the recent claim:

    _Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed

    An extensive study into the financial networks that support groups denying the science behind climate change and opposing political action has found a vast, secretive web of think tanks and industry associations, bankrolled by conservative billionaires.

    "I call it the climate-change counter movement,” study author Robert Brulle, who published his results in the journal Climatic Change, told the Guardian. “It is not just a couple of rogue individuals doing this. This is a large-scale political effort.”_

    I’m sure if there was such money to go around, this event today would not be happening. Read this.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678

    New truths about Antarctic revealed:

    Dr Pierre Dutrieux of the BAS adds, bluntly:

    "We found ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded, and less than half of that observed in 2010. This enormous, and unexpected, variability contradicts the widespread view that a simple and steady ocean warming in the region is eroding the West Antarctic Ice Sheet."

    The Science paper can be read by subscribers to the journal here. The BAS announcement of the results can be read here. Readers unfamiliar with the rules of the climate game should note that the term "climate variability" as used in those documents means for this purpose "climate effects not caused by humans"

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,964
    edited January 4

    Interesting, since it's so "close" to Oz.

    Australia swelters under a sham climate change policy after hottest year on record

    That's from in the UK. Wonder how their politics come down compared to B) (No love lost per wikipedia).

    I gotta go with the Guardian - they're textile people. :)

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    edited January 4

    What I find interesting with the anti coal arguments, are the fact that most scientists say the SoX put out by burning coal has contributed to the cooling. I have no doubt the climate is changing, some places warmer others cooler. I just don't buy the political anthropological blame for the changes. We have killed a large part of our ability to compete in the 21st century by going along with the political agenda on cutting coal & killing mining of essential REEs. Then the same people whine about the Chinese building our solar panels and wind generators. Well duh, what did they expect?

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,964

    What's really interesting to me, perhaps not much affecting global warming, is that people aren't driving as much nor are they buying as many cars as they did.

    And if apps like Uber take off, combined with autonomous cars, more Zipcars, etc., private car sales may really fall off. Not to mention bus and taxi use. The side effect could be lower emissions.

    Here's a more recent Uber story, also from Wired.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678

    I hope you are right because I HATE sharing the road with all those people. :) I personally look for the economy to really tank this year and those rosy projections for more car sales will fall short. Our jobless rate has NOT fallen, only people giving up. They are not included. I know 3 young people that have looked for over 2 years for a job. Two are college grads. The entry level employers don't want to give them a job they may bail out of in a few months. All living at home along with millions of other 18-30 year olds. I blame a lot of our lousy economy on the ECO NUTS pushing the illusive green agenda. It has NOT produced enough jobs to spit at.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678

    Help is on the way. Why did the Aussies and Ruskies take so long to ask for help?

    The request for the Polar Star to assist the beset vessels was made by RCC Australia to the US Coast Guard on 3 January, 2014. The US Coast Guard officially accepted this request and released the Polar Star to RCC Australia for search and rescue tasking at 8.30am on 4 January, 2014.

    The Polar Star will leave Sydney today after taking on supplies prior to its voyage to Antarctica.

    It is anticipated it will take approximately seven (7) days for the Polar Star to reach Commonwealth Bay, dependent on weather and ice conditions.

    At 122 metres, the Polar Star is one of the largest ships in the US Coast Guard fleet. It has a range of 16,000 nautical miles at 18 knots. The Polar Star has a crew of 140 people. The Polar Star is able to continuously break ice up to 1.8 metres (6ft) while travelling at three (3) knots and can break ice over six (21ft) metres thick.

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,964
    edited January 5

    Sounds like an expensive undertaking. But the powers that be will file the cost under "good training" for jockeying for position in the melting Arctic (melting is their word, not mine). (

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346

    @gagrice said: Help is on the way. Why did the Aussies and Ruskies take so long to ask for help?

    At 122 metres, the Polar Star is one of the largest ships in the US Coast Guard fleet. It has a range of 16,000 nautical miles at 18 knots. The Polar Star has a crew of 140 people. The Polar Star is able to continuously break ice up to 1.8 metres (6ft) while travelling at three (3) knots and can break ice over six (21ft) metres thick.

    Lots of power behind all that weight. Those thicknesses are simply incredible. You can be sure it ain't no gas job doing all that work..

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,964
    edited January 5

    "Polar Star's three shafts are turned by either a diesel-electric or gas turbine power plant. Each shaft is connected to a 16-foot (4.9 m) diameter, four-bladed, controllable-pitch propeller. The diesel-electric plant can produce 18,000 shaft horsepower (13 MW) and the gas turbine plant a total of 75,000 shaft horsepower (56 MW)." (wikipedia)

    Now that I think about it, I guess it's heading for Antarctica because all the ice is melting in the Arctic this year so they won't have anything to do north of the equator. :D

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678

    @Stever@Edmunds said: Sounds like an expensive undertaking. But the powers that be will file the cost under "good training" for jockeying for position in the melting Arctic (melting is their word, not mine). (

    You are a diehard believer for sure. That is an interesting article how our lazy liberal government has let the rest of the World get ahead of US in the Arctic. It will be a much better route from Asia to the East Coast than the Panama Canal. Not to mention tourists watching polar bears floating by on tiny little chunks of ice. You can have all that cold, I want to live where it is warm. Bring on the GW. How many feet did you say the ocean would rise. I want to have beach front property.

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,964
    edited January 5

    You do get another prospective occasionally reading the Anchorage Daily News. Liberal rag it may be, it does cover the Arctic more that the Outside media. There's another recent article about building a "fancy" harbor in Nome since cruise ships are going there now, and they want to go further north. Shades of Uncle Ted and I think both Lisa and Begich are both behind it.

    "The lack of a deep-water harbor along Alaska's north and west coasts has been a point of concern as climate warming has made Arctic waters more accessible and nations have taken an interest in the region's resources."

    Thinking about the ships stuck in the ice reminds me of the pics of the cranes falling into the harbor trying to recover a sunk car off a pier. (

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    edited January 7

    Better toe the Pseudo Science of the GWarmers or you are in trouble.

    **What Catastrophe? MIT’s Richard Lindzen, the unalarmed climate scientist **

    In his mid-seventies, married with two sons, and now emeritus at MIT, Lindzen spends between four and six months a year at his second home in Paris. But that doesn’t mean he’s no longer in the thick of the climate controversy; he writes, gives myriad talks, participates in debates, and occasionally testifies before Congress. In an eventful life, Lindzen has made the strange journey from being a pioneer in his field and eventual IPCC coauthor to an outlier in the discipline—if not an outcast.

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