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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    how the 325 will be priced. $40k seems possible. I kinda hate to say it, but if that happens, the c70 is in big trouble.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • lemennlemenn Posts: 89
    In one article I found:

    Model
    Price OTR
    Power
    hp
    Torque Nm
    Zero – 62mph seconds
    0 - 62
    Top speed mph
    Combined
    mpg

    BMW 325i Convertible
    £33,030
    218
    270
    7.6
    152
    35.8

    BMW 335i Convertible
    £37,895
    306
    400
    5.8
    155*
    28.5

    * Electronically limited

    If I am correct just with the pond/ dollar convertion this will be:
    BMW 325i Convertible
    $63036

    BMW 335i Convertible
    $72339

    This looks pretty expensive and I am sure something is wrong here.

    To make an accurate estimate we need to find the price in UK of the C70 T5 in the configuration existing in USA.

    Erisaman we need your help here.
  • Yes - this is the first retractable hardtop in the same class as the C70, and yes, it is a beautiful car. But - despite those who will say that it performs better, or that it is superior to the C70, to me, there is no comparison, it does not appeal.

    Having said that - I would love to have the convenience of opening and closing my roof via the remote! I'll happily have the engine switched off, the handbrake on and all the other requirments (except foot on the footbrake of course) if I could just sit at an open air cafe and amaze and amuse my friends by opening and shutting that roof by remote!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    I'm not going to take a stance right now on which is superior or performs better (although the 335 trumps all ... but that will be a different pricerange). HOWEVER, there will be a select few in the US who, given the choice between a BMW and Volvo at similar prices and similar function, would actually choose the Volvo. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but just stating a fact. In this country, the BMW badge carries alot of weight with the majority of shoppers.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    we could also compare a non-vert 335 price in the UK compared with the US to get an idea.

    Only question is, will the base configurations be different? For instance, does a base UK model come a bit more stripped down than a base US model?

    base 335 coupe in UK is 33,420. That's $40k here, so its quite possible the 33k UK price for the 325 vert will translate to $40k here, as well.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • lemennlemenn Posts: 89
    I found on a UK web site.

    VOLVO, C70 COUPE CONVERTIBLE: T5 SE Lux 2d Total RRP £33,250
    no option

    on a US web site

    T5 Styles (MSRP: $39,090)
    No option

    If we consider these 2 cars being the same this means the BMW 325 will be in the USA the same price as the C70 T5 around $40K
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    yup. That's rough.

    Well, as I feared a while back, volvo will be heavily discounting the C70.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • This is a preliminary price and engine configuration of what will be available in the UK - www.carmagazine.co.uk

    They appear very attractive prices - but I have my own feelings about BMW which probably few would share, they have a strong following in the UK also. At the moment - on looks alone - I still favour the Volvo, the BM's greatest asset is, and always has been, it's agility on the road - but that is not an issue for me now. Having thrown enough cars around in my time (I track test Jaguar XKs for a UK magazine) I'm now happy to put my slippers on, pull up the easy chair and smoke my metaphorical pipe.
  • lemennlemenn Posts: 89
    I agree,

    I don't like the car viewed from the back compared to our lovely C70.

    and from the side:

    Like someone else on another forum wrote it:
    it looks like a Chrysler Sebring

    Now again it is a matter of personnal taste.

    Someone else also mentionned being in cold countries he will never chose a propulsion (BMW) compare to traction (Volvo) on snowy/icy roads.
  • Even though my 07 is going to be delivered next month (but probably could pass my slot along to the next in line), I went this evening to test drive a 328i since I've never even been in a BMW and wanted to make sure I would not have any regrets. 328i had good acceleration and it is pretty but it didn't have quite the appeal to me as the C70 (interior or exterior)... I like the lines of the C70. I even like the "sparse" interior of the Volvo - seems modern to me - but I'm weird since I also like the C70's brushed aluminum as much as I like the wood. BMW's remote control for the roof is a neat trick to show friends but if you have to be within 15 feet, you might as well be sitting in the car. That would not be enough to change my mind. I'm glad I test drove the BMW. I don't know which is the "better" car but at least now I know I made the right decision for me. No offense to BMW owners but I just love the C70 (solely a matter of personal taste). (Plus, I don't think I could wait another year!)
  • blamb3blamb3 Posts: 41
    I received my C70 on Tuesday. Had you asked me last week I would have told you that maybe I should have waited for the BMW to come out. I've owned Saab and Audi tt convertibles and another 12 assorted brands of cars in my 61 years of life - never have I been more impressed with a car then I am with the C70. I smile when I'm walking towards this vehicle - the fit and finish is superb, the acceleration is more than adequate for me (manual transmission), and I feel that the design both inside and out is superb. I can't imagine what BMW could come up with that would sway me away from the C70 had I been able to comparison shop the 2 vehicles and I'm partial to BMW'S. The C70 has all the makings of a great car - just 3 days and I'm convinced I made a great decision - and temperatures here haven't been above 45 degrees this past week.
  • flheatflheat Posts: 46
    This company is developing a roof control module for the Eos. Perhaps someone could contact them on behalf of your C70. This will be made available to Eos Forum members this week for under $500 it permits the following:

    From the inventors of the first VARIO ROOF CONTROL MODULE comes the all new and world's first VARIO-PLUS-CONTROL-MODULE for the VOLKSWAGEN EOS, featuring functions you won't find anywhere else thanks to its patented technology. If installed it offers:

    - the smallest and most powerful solution available
    - features AUTO RESUME PLUS
    - fully configurable via our on dash menu: with easy to understand clear text!!
    - open the roof while driving (up to 40 mp/h or 65 km/h)
    - one-touch open or close the roof (by holding the button for 1 sec.)(*)
    - open or close the roof with the factory key RF-remote control(*)
    - flashing the hazard lights or sounding the horn while reversing(*)
    - mirror park assist(*)

    This works with all VOLKSWAGEN EOS! The module is plug&play, usually installed within 1 hour. Comes with a 5 years warranty.

    *) All functions can be enabled or disabled seperately

    http://www.l-c-t.com/LCT/acatalog/EXTERIOR_eos.html
  • I'm not sure that I would want to be able to open the roof while driving (esp. not at 40 mph). I'd be concerned with accidentally opening the top, too. Just doesn't seem like a necessary option for me. (I may change my mind once I actually GET MY CAR!) Forgive me if this is a stupid question but what is Auto Resume Plus? I would not mind a remote control for open/closing the roof. I think I would hate my car if the horn sounded while reversing (same with flashing the hazard lights). Talk about an attention getter. But under $500 is a good price for something that does this much for you. Plus, hard for me to say what I want since right now I have to use my imagination - I still don't have my C70 and I don't know what irritates me or pleases me yet...
  • flheatflheat Posts: 46
    Those are the options for the Eos, and I guess they need to test if the 40mph is an option for the C70. I guess it would be a nice option to have as you were driving down a city street and you ran into a cloud burst as happens frequently in Florida (but I doubt if I would open/close my Eos with the car moving fast, I would think it would pull the trunk off, but supposedly they have tested this). The Auto Resume from what I understand is for example you are putting the roof up and you suddenly go over 40 mph, the roof would stop opening until you got back under 40 mph rather than having to press the button again. Each of the line item options will be able to be selectively turned on or off. Anyway, once I get it installed, I will update more if you don't mind info from an Eos owner.
  • Here in the UK we have a special date for making fools of each other. It's April the 1st - and is called 'April Fool's Day'.

    Am I right in thinking that November 14th is 'November Fool's Day' Stateside? 'Cos I ain't heard nuffink quite as daft.

    Anyway - have a nice day!
  • flheatflheat Posts: 46
    Granted, it sounds too good to be true, but I don't know why someone would pay money to sponsor a forum just for an "April Fools" joke.

    I spoke the the forum moderator and the product is legit. You can track the discussion if you like:

    http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2924376&postid=33649780#33649780
  • It's kind of like MTV's "Pimp My Ride". Cool. (PS - I don't mind EOS owners posting. We must have some common interests since we ALL want to drop top and ride our whips.)
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    Here is a link video for the new module that a company called LCT is designing for the Eos:

    http://www.l-c-t.com/LCT/eos_module.html
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 976
    Before we get any further off-track here, I'm wondering if you folks know that we have an Eos Discussion here:

    Volkswagen Eos

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    Need help getting around? claires@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • I just read a review of the BMW Convertible. Finally a price was mentioned (maybe I missed it in past articles). It is expensive. It's beautiful and like any beemer a dream to drive, according to the review. But wow is it expensive. The 335i base price is about $10K more than the C70's base price. I guess if you got it to burn...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    But the 335i is not in the same league as the C70 T5. It absolutely crushes the volvo in performance. The lesser 3-series will be a much closer competitor ... both in price and performance (as we discussed earlier in the thread).

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • Still the 328i ("lesser 3-series") base price is $4K more than the base price C70... still more expensive, unless $4K is nothing... maybe true for some. (I'd rather spend $4K on options.) Actually, I'd rather have the money that would allow me to have the attitude that $4k is nothing...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    now that's the price i needed (i thought it would be $40k).

    It is going to depend on standard equipment, too, of course. Do you have those details by any chance? Or know where I can get them?

    Its potentially good news for Volvo. If you read what I posted here a while back, I was worried that the bmw would be priced the same and really hurt volvo.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • Here is where I read the review but it was mostly about the 335i (with a tiny bit about the 328i).

    http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/12348/first-drive-2008-bmw-335i-convertible- .html
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    thanks for the link.

    pricing has yet to be announced, so we'll have to wait to see what happens.

    Of course, a key difference is that the bmw is RWD. For some folks, that's worth $4k (and then some).

    If the pricing holds true, I think that's just fine. It leaves the volvo in its own little slot for now. Its for those who don't want RWD or the propeller badge and want more than VW has to offer.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Simply put, if someone wants the bimmer they will spend the extra money to get it.
    The 2 cars appeal to different buyers.
    The C70 customer has more in common w/ the A4 and CLK customer than the bimmer customer.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    interesting perspective. I just can't agree, however, since I would look at the C70 and bimmer, but not the audi or CLK.

    Unless you are a badge shopper (which, i admit, many shoppers are), the biggest difference on paper between the 328 and C70 is RWD vs FWD.

    Of course, if someone wants the bmw they will spend the extra money.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Yes, but are you going to race the car?
    For the average driver, there isn't any difference in daily driving between FWD and RWD cars.
    You get in the car, commute, get stuck in traffic.
    Sometimes on the weekend you get to open the car up a little, but the average driver doesn't have the skill to exploit even the C70's abilities.
  • I think you are absolutely on point here, Volvomax. I have to agree.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,202
    i'm not arguing with you at all. i try to avoid the whole rwd/fwd argument as much as possible, as a matter of fact. I'm just stating what the one big difference is in the 2 cars.

    From what I'm seeing right now at this moment, I consider these 2 vehicles competitors. Does the A4 compete? I don't know. Are they coming out with a retractable hardtop A4? I don't pay attention to audi, for the most part. Is the new CLK going to be a retractable hardtop? If it comes it at ~$40k with 220+ hp, then it may be a competitor.

    The C70 and 3-series aren't exactly the same, no, of course not. That would be silly. They each have their perceived strengths and weaknesses. If volvo holds a price advantage, that's definitely a plus in its column. Especially where it currently sits. I know there are a group of buyers who have a cap of $40k. Its kind of like searching for a house, you set a limit and, for the most part, nothing above that limit even hits your radar.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

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