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Lexus LS 460/LS 460L News, Views and Opinions

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  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    The air suspension has 3 settings:

    Normal
    Comfort
    Sport

    The height increase/decrease is a separate adjustment. The car rides very smooth in all 3 and floats the best in comfort. Sport tightens everything up and improves handling but the ride is still luxuriously smooth and perfect. My car, which is a LWB, handles bumps beautifully and the bump has to be a pretty good sized one to even feel it in the car.
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    Just an FYI, there is a recall campaign 8LA that replaces drive belt pulleys due to a manufacturing defect that can cause pulleys to shatter. 27,000 vehicles are affected, but only 2007 models as far as I know.
  • bobcat63bobcat63 Posts: 7
    Is the Levinson stereo really worth $1,900? I like the NAV, even though you can't use it while driving. Are other options worth the price? Comfort package? $1,092 comfort plus $3,000.

    I don't understand what is so worth the money in those items.
  • tricky73tricky73 Posts: 132
    The most worthwhile options on my 460L (which has been replaced) was the pneumatic suspension and larger brakes...both of which are part of the touring package. Without question the least useful gadget was the automatic parking feature; that option is a fraud in my opinion. To be fair, Lexus did refund the $700 cost after some squawking. The ML stereo is really a judgment call...I never listened to the non-ML package...I do know that is one of the first questions asked when getting rid of a Lexus L-series automobile.

    Having moved into a GM product I am pleasantly surprised to find several options that work better than any of the 5 Lexi I have owned. Standard equipment on my new Buick is heated steering wheel, laminated glass all around, tilt mirrors that actually allow curb visibility for parking, logical seat deployment upon exit, and great seat heaters that allow a choice between seatback only or seatback and cushion. They cool the driver and passenger also, just like the Lexus.

    I would give the advantage to Lexus for the NAV system and the ML stereo except the MP-3 port on the GM machine is much handier than the Lexus, which is placed in the rear of the center console in a black hole requiring a flashlight to find. Fit and finish is comparable and there is no need to look for those blasted fasteners Lexus uses on the engine covers which pop out and disappear whenever one must remove a cover to check what is underneath. Note also that Lexus techs are not too diligent in replacing those that are lost...holes are left empty, since most owners never raise the hood?

    Finally, I cannot detect wind noise with the Buick...a frequent topic of complaint on this link.
  • mardaymarday Posts: 4
    I have the '08 LS460. I have had the alarm go off twice for no apparant reason. Once in the middle of the night. I have also returned to my car after shopping and had all the windows down and the moonroof open. It also is noisy, I cant really tell whether it is wind or road noise, but whatever it is I did not have it in the car {LS430} that I foolishly sold to Carmax in order to buy this one. Carmax gave me $7000 more for my car than Lexus would, which made it cheaper even after paying sales tax on the total price. This treatment after being a loyal customer since they came out in '89.
    This is my 10th Lexus. I wish to hell I had kept my LS430. I think this will be my last Lexus.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    This is my 10th Lexus. I wish to hell I had kept my LS430. I think this will be my last Lexus

    Now I am really :confuse:

    I am thinking of getting a x5 as my future and next car but for reliability i am thinking getting a lexus as my next future car

    but ur review is surprising
  • mardaymarday Posts: 4
    My '04 LS430 was the best car I ever owned. As I said, I wish I still had it. The '08 LS460 that I have now I am disapointed with. Little nitpicking things go wrong with the 460s that you never had to worry about a few years ago. I feel that they are just not putting the quality control in the cars that they used to. A person never had problems of any kind with the 430s. Therefore, I think I will look at something else next year. I have no idea what. This is the first time I have even thought about something besides a Lexus since my first one in '89.
  • tricky73tricky73 Posts: 132
    Why the surprise...Lexus does build bad cars...I had one also.
  • rennyboschrennybosch Posts: 329
    I am really sorry to hear your annoyances with the 460. My experience has been just the opposite. The 430 keyless entry system worked somewhat erratically. Sometimes it wouldn't unlock the door until I pressed a little harder. Same thing for locking. Also, the dynamic cruise control switch would occasionally fail to resume the previously set speed, instead setting the current speed. The 460 has all these little things resolved flawlessly.

    My 08 LS460 is the LWB. I do get the impression that the SWB version is less perfect. I gather yours is the SWB?

    Renny
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    Why the surprise... Lexus does build bad cars... had one also

    I wouldn't say they build bad cars some problems nothing very big or maybe the exceptional of the GS recall, still they do build better reliability than the european cars.
  • dcwalkerdcwalker Posts: 29
    Not sure what glitches you refer to but my 2007 LS460 has been the car from hell, and I have been driving them since 1990. It is difficult to know where to start with my complaints on this car but here are some:

    1. Sometimes driving this car is so sweet, I think I am dreaming. It can be smooth in acceleration through all gears and tons of power. At other times, usually at slower speeds, the care can rev a little between shifts, seems sluggish, and noisier than the time I drove it before. I call it my Jekel & Hyde car.
    2. Of course there is the wind noise on the driver side window.
    3. The brakes are hard to make a smooth stops.
    4. The command center is too complex to work and is a joke. My new top of the line Chevy pickup truck shames this Lexus in its simplicity.
    5. The car tends to catch groves in the street, pulling the car left or right, especially noticeable when braking.
    6. It is difficult to hold the car precisely in curves.
    7. Some time the high pressure injectors make alot of noise. Sometimes they make none.

    When I take the car to the dealer complaining about any of this, they don't know what to do. My conclusion is that if you want a car that has exquisite fit and finish, goes fast in a straight line, and is smooth as glass doing it (most of the time), then buy an LS 460. If you want a car that goes pretty fast, can do just about anything the Lexus can do with more simplicity, and costs a lot less, buy a Buick or something else. Lexus has screwed this car up. I will not buy another.

    P.S. - I drove both the big BMW and Mercedes before I bought the LS. All three of these cars have gone off the deep end on gadgets. It seems to be a battle of the whistles and bells instead of the ease of operation. I would say the Lexus still has a ways to go on everything but fit and finish when comparing to the other two. Of course, it is a little cheaper, for what that is worth.
  • aklein2aklein2 Posts: 18
    Is it available on the LS 460 (base model)? How does it work? How does it compare with the old Euro-tuned suspension on the LS 430 (without which I would not have acquired this car, which I still drive with joy)? Is the Euro-tuned suspension still available on the LS 460?
  • mike001mike001 Posts: 15
    what is the difference b/tween the LWB and the SWB ?
  • mike001mike001 Posts: 15
    what color package have /did you decide on ?
    I am looking at the Smoky Granite & black leather combination ...did you get any response good or bad on this color combo ?
  • rennyboschrennybosch Posts: 329
    According to specs, they are essentially the same car except of course the LWB (Long Wheel Base) is about 5 or 6 inches longer, most of which is in extra rear seat legroom. But there were reports that the SWB (Short Wheel Base) had more wind noise than the LWB because the latter had better window glass, or something. So that made me think that there may be other areas in which they made the LWB better than the SWB. The other important difference is that some options are only available on the LWB.

    That's really all I know about the matter.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    South Florida.. an ad for "the world's largest Lexus dealer" has over 75 2008 LS460's on sale for $8000 off MSRP. There seems to be no fine print... just pick your 460, take off 8 grand and go home.

    No mention on the "L" having the same deal.

    It looks like the 460's are finally coming down in price. That is GREAT news.

    Now the LX570 needs to follow suit......
  • traubetraube Posts: 28
    just bought ls 460 in south florida-countyline lexus for $8300 off MSRP-no fine print-picked up car last week
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Great news traube!

    Lexus has spoiled me into thinking of the LS as being "fairly priced" in the high 50's, low 60's. Dealers have been trying to take advantage of the "ALL NEW LS!!" to "mercederize" their prices but I think that party is now coming to a close.

    Aside from the greater HP, the difference between the 430 (selling at near invoice its last few years here in South Fla.) and the 460 just doesn't seem like enough to justify the price jumps dealers have been trying to sustain. The LS went from mid to high 50K "real world" sale prices to 70K on the 460. Lease prices jumped from 700 to 800 per month for 36 months to well over $1000 per month.

    That's one of the problems with achieving near perfection -- what else can they do or add to these cars to make them pricier yet still appear to be a good value? The self parking gimmick was cute, but who really wants that and is willing to pay a premium for it?

    I know this is totally subjective, but in my mind the LS has always been, and always should be, the nicer looking, more reliable, and much less expensive S class alternative.

    Now that the newness is wearing off the 460 and the early adopters have had their fun, perhaps the car will now become more accessible to us regular folks.

    In other words, perhaps my wife will let me get one now! ;)
  • maloofmaloof Posts: 2
    Did you have any luck with the duck tape? I have the same car/same problem.The dealer did the TSB fix and it did not help. It is a crosswind problem I think. I added some masking tape to a few suspect areas today to see if I get any relief. Let me know what you found out.
    Thanks
  • jim9921jim9921 Posts: 4
    I'm in the final stages of leasing a LS460 but am having a problem finding the color I want (Obsidian w/black) in a car with the ML system. There are a couple cars out there with Nav, but not the ML, plus they are about $4k cheaper since they also opt for the comfort pkg instead of the comfort plus, which has no value for me. I've always had the ML system in my previous cars and it's been fine, but in the car I either use the radio or home made CD's and I wonder if the difference is that big a deal.
    I'd appreciate any feedback from those that have experience with both.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I've been exposed to three Lexus radio systems -- Mark Levinson, Lexus Premium Sound System (I think this is their basic radio) and Nackamichi (spelled wrong, I know).

    I am not an audiophile by any means. I generally listen to contemporary, jazz, and 80,90's pop with the volume at around 30-40% of full strength.

    To me, all three systems sound the same.

    Better trained ears will beg to differ, I'm sure.
  • sidgriggssidgriggs Posts: 122
    Without the Levinson, you cannot watch DVD's. I purchased an 07 LS460 with Nav, but no Levinson. Then installed a Nav bypass kit so I could use the Nav even when driving. This kit would also allow use of the DVD while in motion, but I don't have Levinson, so I can't watch movies while I drive.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    ...that you can't watch movies while you drive! ;)

    That nav bypass kit will come in handy -- don't know why Lexus lawyers don't allow full access even if it senses a person in the passenger seat.

    Jim 9921... your best bet is to try out the stereos at the dealer and let your ears decide. Under normal listening conditions I really think that unless you have an affinity for pristine audiophonics you won't be able to tell much difference, if any. Perhaps if you load up a cd with lots of orchestral strings, guitars, etc. you might be able to hear a richer, crisper sound on the ML.

    Let us know what you decide....
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,593
    The ML is definitely better in sound quality and amentities but the base unit is pretty good imho. Let YOUR ears decide if it's worth the price differential..
  • markl2markl2 Posts: 1
    Self destructive Lexus/Mark Levinson amplifier
    I am a longtime Lexus LS400 & LS430 owner ever since Toyota made the Lexus brand. I bought my second Lexus because of the Mark Levinson system. It is supposed to be the top of the line audio equipment.
    However, I just had a very scary experience recently. When I started my LS430 (with the Mark Levinson system), there were a lot of loud popping sounds like gun shots. The radio came on very loud in between the popping sound. I tried to lower the volume and turn off the radio but neither one worked. I had to roll down the windows to avoid hurting my ears and stop the car. I started and stopped the car several times and finally the popping sound was gone. The Mark Levinson radio/CD system was completely dead.
    My car has only 52,000 miles driven when this thing happened.
    I took the car to the Lexus dealer for inspection. The technician wrote on the inspection report: 'Mark Levinson amplifier malfunctioning internally'.
    To get my radio back to work, I paid $500.00 for a new Mark Levinson amplifier and $148.00 to install. Needless to say, I am very, very disappointed. I have been very proud of owning the top of the line Mark Levinson system but not any more.
  • bobcat63bobcat63 Posts: 7
    Can anyone share an analysis of the advantages of buying the Long wheel base version of the LS460? I have seen a couple of posts that there are certain standard features on the long wheel base that offset much of the increase in price.
  • wabendswabends Posts: 102
    Just saw on the following data at Cars.com:

    2007 460 SWB
    Fuel economy city 18-19 miles
    Fuel economy Highway 27 miles

    2008 460 SWB
    Fuel economy city 16 miles
    Fuel economy Highway 24 miles

    Is this true? Any reason for this drop in fuel economy?

    Wabends :surprise:
  • sidgriggssidgriggs Posts: 122
    It is now being calculated differently. I think the new calculation started with the 08 models
  • fred2123fred2123 Posts: 4
    Can the hdd audio system get cd title and track info if it is not contained on the disc when it is recorded as on my computer thru gracenotes?
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