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Lexus LS 460/LS 460L News, Views and Opinions

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  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,292
    This is precisely what I am doing with my 2004 LS430. I am waiting to see what the LS600hL has to offer in the Spring. If the trunk capacity on the 600 is as small as the current thinking, then I will wait until the LS460L comes in AWD.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Very wise decision IMO. Good strategy, financially as well as practically.

    I'm keeping my 05 for a couple more years myself - until it starts to look worn anyway, it is exactly what I want in a car.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Emotionally, the S550 is more attractive to me than the LS460, but then things happen that draw me back to Lexus. A case in point: this morning I was at an MB dealer and I sat in an S550 for the first time. I asked the salesman how you adjusted the lumbar support. He hadn't a clue (and he'd been working there for a year.) He asked a salesman who had been there for 20 years, and was told that you adjust the lumbar support through the COMAND system. Isn't this just totally ridiculous?!
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,292
    Does anyone know where oak has been the past month or two? I miss his comments.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Emotionally, the S550 is more attractive to me than the LS460,

    Oh, me too, absolutely!! Everything about the S-550 is more appealing to me. The size of the steering wheel, the seats, the power, the drive and the looks. However, COMAND is a nightmare, always has been. Every time I test drive an S-Class, there are numerous things wrong with it that "I can bring it back to service to fix at my convenience" if I buy it. It's a ton more money than the Lexus, and it would be worth it, if it gave me the same type of reliability as the Lexus does, but it doesn't even come close. And lastly, you're exactly right, the sales people don't get it. I go in in my suit, driving my Lexus, not exactly looking destitute. The salesman I'm talking to in the showroom, assigns me to a salesbabe to take me on a "test ride" where I get the "turn right, turn right, turn right" treatment right back to the dealership. Upon arrival, the salesman who was too busy to go with me says, "How do you like it". My reply; Well, I really don't know from 4 right turns in a quarter mile. At Lexus, they tell me to take it home for the weekend and let them know on Monday. So far, I've bought every car I took home.

    MB is arrogant, and so are their people. For the money, value and service, I like the LExus.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    You and I are thinking alike, nv. However, the wife doesn't think like us, and she's been lusting after an SL500/SL550 for a long time, even though she's never been in one. (Actually, I've never been in one either.) I bought an SL550 for her as a surprise gift yesterday, and take delivery on it tomorrow. I hope the ownership experience turns out to be a happy one; I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Her SC430 will be going up for sale soon. It's been a wonderful car for nearly 6 years.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    The SL will disappoint in a lot of areas, but not in performance, handling, comfort or noticeability. That, she'll love. You, will hate the service department, and the cost of frequent visits there.... But it's a hellova car.
  • Lots of Lexus and car experience here. Had new 90,95,98 and 01 LS cars. Drove all 100k miles+. Just got my new black, black LWB with touring. Gave up the best car I have ever owned when I sold my Black/Ecru '01 LS ULTRA to my 28 yo son. That was a great car! Dealer offered me $17k. It was worth $30+ to me. I leased that car 3 yrs, extended the lease at end and then bought after 5 yrs because I could not part with it. More options than my 07 L with MSRP of $82,407. Learned that if you wanted the touring pkg, you could not have all the back seat upgrades. I have a my own list of minor details that the 01 Ultra had that the new, not quite loaded car does not have but I will not go into it now. I am slow to adapt and usually dont want change; starting to like the 07. Soon son and I will hit some back road and do our own stopping test with the 01 just to see how the brakes compare. The 01 had fabulous breaking reviews; comparable to Porsce as I recall. I think my 07 stops real well but not certain if it is as good, worse or better. Waited 3 mos for Black, black, touring and got $500 off MSRP. Leased for 3 years/12,000 miles for $1370.59/mo plus AZ sales tax. Did 3 yrs rather than longer in case I get attracted to something else. At 61 the number of new cars I will buy is dwindling.
    Dont know how to make my Mac I pod or Xm satellite work, nor have I started to dig into the 3" thick manual. Still on first tank of gas. Slow learner. I think i will miss the rear AC now that I have a bigger (LWB) car, no side shades, black interior and live in the desert. But I think I will be able to stop better (than the standard car)and the bigger wheels/brakes will be more adaptable to 20" after market wheels if I so decide. That was a trade off I made when I got the touring. I too read the C&D review. They compared a Lexus with dual AC and deducted for smaller trunk which is mandated by the second AC system. Did not use touring car with bigger brakes and deducted for longer stopping distance. Tested a pre production car, not a full production model. Did they plan to sabotage the Lexus? If so, why? Read the report days before I took delivery and could have cancelled and bought a Merc 550 but my 15+ years and nearly 500,000 miles of absolute trouble free ownership gave me pause. My 2003 SL55 has been in the Mercedes shop 2x and both times the experience was totally unsatisfactory. I have much more to say but I have taken up enough space. Merry Christmas, Happpy New Year and best to all. Mike@Tucson.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    I, too, have had wonderful experience with Lexus vehicles and Lexus dealers. I've purchased 6 of them in the last 9 years, and all have been nearly trouble free and the service experience has been outstanding. I'll probably get an LS460 eventually, but I am put off by the fact that, to get all of the features of my '05 Custom Lux LS430, the new one will cost me about $10K more. I am also put off by the fact that I have to look twice to tell the difference between an LS460 and an ES or IS. My favorite story of MB dealer abuse is the time I took my new S500 in for service (to the dealer where I had purchased it) and they gave me a Geo Metro loan car. To add insult to injury, they inspected it very carefully for damage before and after I took it out. Mike, I am also in Tucson. (I should add that the experience I just described was in Dallas, not Tucson; I've had pretty good experience with the Tucson MB dealer.)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Welcome to CarSpace, Mike! Looking forward to hearing about you getting to know your new LS. :)
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    Mike: How's the ride quality with the Touring Package? And the handling? I'm always concerned with the noise level of "summer tires". Is that OK?

    Incidentally, by coincidence I talked with the salesman you bought your car from this morning. It's a small world.
  • Since 1989 , I have possibly owned more Lexus Automobiles than any one person . 88 including sons , daughters , partners , parents , siblings , and on .
    Currently , i do own the LS 460 std , and a partner owns the LS 460 long . the LS swb has about 400 miles on her , and the Long has 2200 miles .
    The swb is a $ 67.2 List , and the Long = $ 81.8 .
    SIMPLY PUT : THERE IS NO CAR IN PRODUCTION , NOW OR EVER
    WAS EQUAL TO THE 2007 LS .
    I do own a few LS 400's and 430's . ( one of the LS 400's has 900 miles on her... a 1990 ... the 39th car shipped to n america )( no : not 4 sale ) ...
    AS A CUSTOMER ( non dealer ) I HAVE SOME REAL TIME EXPERIENCE , AND ADMIRATION FOR THE LEXUS AND IT'S CREDO .
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    THERE ARE TOO MANY ISSUES AND QUESTIONS ON THESE PAGES , TO GO ABOUT ANSWERING BACK & FORTH .
    I WILL RESPOND TO "SPECIFIC QUESTIONS " FROM ANYONE ABOUT THE "07 LS .
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    I WILL OPENLY SAY : SIMPLY : THE 2007 LS , IN ANY FORM , SHORT OR LONG , SPOKED WHEELS OR HUB CAPS PLATED IN 24 K GOLD , IT IS THE FINEST , BEST , MOST ENJOYABLE MACHINE
    TO HAUL MY BUTT FROM PLACE TO PLACE .
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    OK, mitchell. What about the '07 LS do you consider to be the most significant improvements? Are there any changes which you consider to be a step backward?
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    I have had the 460L with Touring (silver/black) about 2 months now and have no noise issues with the 19" Bridgestone touring tires that came on mine. Some of the Touring ones may come with Dunlop Sport Max performance tires and it would be interesting to hear feedback on those tires. I have found the handling and ride to be excellent and of course with the adjustable air suspension you can set it to float over the pavement or go more with the sport mode which is my default setting. No road harshness in any setting imho.

    I'm just up the road a bit from the Tucson duo at our Scottsdale house for the holidays driving our Infiniti 35 Coupe which is certainly a very fun alternative to the LS which is back up in Seattle so haven't had the pleasure of driving the LS yet on the AZ roads.
  • hello : happy holiday's rcf8000
    i disliked the 18 " wheel / tire set up which was an option on the "05 and "06 LS430 . in the market where I live , the dealers who have a coercive meeting together , before the card are ordered , agree to order all their cars with the same options . therefore , the 18" wheels / tires were a mandatory option in my neck of the woods . first the option was $ 200 , then it became $ 1800 . the 18's with the dunlop d 5000's were what i called the " wandering
    desert rats " . the car drifted from side to side , and favored a right drift . there were all kinds of factory fixes , that never made the car go straight . additionally , the wheel balance on the 18's with dunlops , was next to impossible . certain roads were the worst . i finally threw away the d5000's and put on bridgestone torenza's . the stone's worked in a straight line , and ran ok in the rain . the dunlop 18's slipped in the wet like silicone .
    the LS 460 swb , that i acquired has 18's in bridgestone's from the factory . also , they are a fatter size , with more tire on the ground , like the 17's on the LS 430's .
    summation : the LS460 swb with 18" stone's runs true , hold's in the wet , and are stiff .
    Other improvements : heated steering wheel , satellite radio built into the radio , higher roofline for head room , larger rear seat area , control of rear hot seats
    from the front or back , much hotter and wider headlight beam / vision , tire pressure by digits on the dash , more pleasing and brighter interior lighting , trunk that open and closes itself like the rx's , doors that close themselves , an even quieter ride , and finally some noise from the engine when it's running .
    additionally , like the SC430 coupe , the leather is outstanding with heavy stitching and detail work worthy of a fine english automobile .
    more power from a dead stop , no noticeable gear shifting from 8 forward gears , a larger fuel tank , and a center
    console that shuts itself .
    that's alot for one answer .
    mitchell rowe
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Thanks for your observations. My '05 has the 18" wheels with the Dunlops, and I have not noticed the problems you describe. Happy New Year!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Interesting - neither have I. In fact, I'm pretty impressed with the Dunlops, and Consumer reports rated them the highest of all in that size class. However, if I need to replace them, I'll likely go for Michelins. I'll also likely never buy Bridgestones - because I'm bitter over the Firestone scandal, and the way Bridgestone would not accept responsibility, even after it became completely apparent that they had put out faulty tires from at least one plant.
    Bad, arrogant Japanese business, and I'm not over it yet.
  • good morning & happy new year mr. banker
    question please :
    your statement published as follows :
    Bad, arrogant Japanese business, and I'm not over it yet.
    IF THIS IS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT OUR JAPANESE FRIENDS ,
    WHY DO YOU BUY AND DRIVE LEXUS ?
    mitchell rowe
  • tricky73tricky73 Posts: 132
    re your experiences with LS 430 18" wheels/tires...did those cars have the factory Sports Suspension package?
  • mr. tricky :
    re : 18' wheels + dunlap 5000's
    are on the standard model LS430
    don't know what the factory used as rubber / wheels on the sport option ...
    i do think the wheels are 18' , but the tires are
    SUMMER TIRES - NOT ALL SEASON ....
    probably not the dunlop 5000's
    happy nerw year
    mitchell rowe
  • mr. tricky : reply # 2
    note : on the 2007 LS 460 ,
    the wheel nut torque has been INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY
    from the ls 430
    CHECK YOUR OWNERS MANUAL FOR PROPER TORQUE
    FOR YOUR MODEL
    PROPER TORQUE ON A " NEW CAR " , INSURES
    SEATING OF THE ROTORS , AS TO NOT WARP .
    mitchell rowe
  • tricky73tricky73 Posts: 132
    Mitchell...my '06 LS 430 with Euro Suspension was delivered with Bridgestone Turanza P245/45 R18 96V tires, and I am quite pleased with tracking, wear, and braking of this machine. No comment re torque; I haven't tried loosening any lug nuts, but I feel the brakes are among the finest I have experienced on any car. Not for panic stops necessarily, but just for every-day feel and performance. How would you compare the brakes of the 460SWB to the 430?

    If you look at my posts for the past 2 weeks, I have been seeking feedback from those who have owned/driven both models...not just from readers of magazines who seemingly are more interested to compare the 460 w/MB products, rather than earlier Lexus LS 4XX series.

    Thanks and Happy New Year
  • mr. tricky : hello again :
    please accept , these are my personal opinions , from personal experiences . i am not a graduate technician / expert .
    TORQUE : I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE LS 460 ( new model )
    the new model , LS 460 , requires a higher torque on the lug nuts ( higher than the LS 430 ) ... for the LS 460 please see the owners manual for proper foot pounds .
    BRAKES : YOUR LS 430 HAS BRAKE ASSIST . THE BRAKES ARE
    THE BEST THEY CAN BE ON A PRODUCTION CAR , WITH NO FADE IN A PANIC STOP .
    BRAKES ON THE LS 460 COMPARED TO THE LS 430 :
    the brakes on the LS 430 , are more sensitive to the touch of the foot , but i do not think they are different in any technical or operational respect .
    the "brake hold function , by "pushbutton " is an extremely helpful , functional addition to the vehicle .
    for one thing , you can't forget to put the emergency brake on or off , as the automobile does it for you .
    ( safer )
    COMPARE WITH MB PRODUCTS : i cannot / will not compare a lexus to a mercedes . as a previous multi mercedes owner , all i can say is : it's a great car , if you have a spare car to ride around in while your mb is being rebuilt , rewired , and re programmed .
    You have a " great car " in your LS 430 , enjoy it . it is the best there is . When the time comes , you'll be in an LS 460 soon enough .
    Oh ! Tires : glad you have the stones for your shoes .
    mitchell rowe
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    IF THIS IS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT OUR JAPANESE FRIENDS ,
    WHY DO YOU BUY AND DRIVE LEXUS ?


    Decent question, Dr. Here's why. A) Toyota didn't do what Bridgestone did, and B) Lexus is the best at what they do, IMO.

    If Toyota stonewalled like Bridgestone, I'd probably avoid them and distrust their products as well.

    Look, I'm just being practical here....someday I'll consider Bridgestone again, when I feel their cause is just and their product is superior. I have no such evidence of that quite yet.

    Lastly, you haven't asked yet, but I know you're wondering; my comments about Japanese business practices being arrogant wasn't really intended to denigrate the country - it's just kind of a way of life there, that first, they don't like to believe they have screwed up, and therefore are loathe to admit it, and secondly, they have a low opinion of Americans generally, thinking we're fat, stupid and lazy. I don't take it personally, I respect them for what they do well, and I'll buy Japanese goods, cars, etc without reservation except where there is direct evidence of abuse, as in the Firestone incident.

    Thanks for asking ;)
  • tricky73tricky73 Posts: 132
    I previously stated I had said my piece of this subject. Please indulge me with one more comment.

    I drove a SWB today and was generally disappointed compared to the LWB driven previously (having air suspension, etc.) It is a noisy car, the steering feels numb, the backseat leg room is less, the rear window seemed to have less visibility, and driver seat seemed less comfortable (new pair of shoes syndrome?). It was shoed with Dunlop tires.

    I still have a LWB on order with the touring package and hope it renews my enthusiasm compared to today's experience. The dealer had a 460 displayed with the optional (Telios??) wheels and they are quite an improvement IMO over the standard 18"...the price was increased $2,995 for this feature. I have seen the 19" 5 spoke wheels on the TP and they look quite nice for my taste.
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    "they don't like to believe they have screwed up, and therefore are loathe to admit it, and secondly, they have a low opinion of Americans generally, thinking we're fat, stupid and lazy"

    In Japan when an executive screws up they resign. Contrast that with American executives. Also Japanese executive compensation is much more in line with the overall employee compensation. Their newspapers
    Japan Times, Daily Yomiuri, Nikkei, (English versions on web) etc. are as open, and maybe more so, than any American newspaper. I go to Japan once or twice a year on business and have never experienced any anti-Americanism . Here is my judgment of Japan:
    1. Japan is the most civilized country in the world.
    2. Japan is populated with quality fanatics
    3. The Japanese aesthetic sense is remarkable
    When Mitsubishi was found to have serious defects in their cars a few years ago, sales dropped precipitously in Japan and still haven't recovered. Nothing much happened to Mitsubishi in the USA.
    Bridgestone tires: I have all season run-flats on my GS450h. They are noisier but perform beautifully in fast cornering without squealing. They came with the car. If the car came with Dunlops I would have asked the dealer to replace them. Although now owned by Bridgestone, Firestone tires are American.
    Addendum: Just found this on the IHT review of Mitsubishi after writing the message above:
    "But not every Mitsubishi company is enjoying a renaissance. Mitsubishi Motors, which has struggled since a defective product scandal in 2000 hurt its image, has registered sizable losses for three years in a row and is not expected to turn a profit for the year that will end in March."
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/29/business/wbmitsu.php
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I go to Japan once or twice a year on business and have never experienced any anti-Americanism .

    I wish I could believe that were true. Certainly not been my experience - clearly you don't go where I go. But as I say, I wish it were true.

    I was involved in several cases of litigation over the Firestone tires made in Decatur IL, that were shown to be defective. Ultimately that plant was closed, at least for a time, but it was months before Bridgestone would admit that Explorers were flipping over ONLY on their tires, even when NHTSA proved it was so. I wasn't impressed with the integrity shown there by the CEO of Bridgestone. Any manufacturer can have issues. But as with Mitsubishi, Bridgestone also didn't not want to own an obvious issue.
    Toyota was reticent to admit to their V-6 sludging problem, and although stepped up on some replacement engines, to this day they admit no engineering flaw, and attribute the entire phenomenon to "improper servicing" of the engine.
    Honda put out some faulty transmissions in 04 that went into Accords, MDXs and Odesseys. Do they admit that they manufactured bad transmissions - not really. They have been good about replacing them if they blow under warranty, and most of them did.

    I'm not a Japanese bigot - obviously, if I drive their best car, but they have faults, they're not perfect, as a culture or a people. My gosh, they attacked us for Pete's sake, and that was the stupidest thing any people could do! Their banking system and economy has nearly failed recently so, though they have their strengths, they're not the greatest IMO.

    Eventually, I'll get over the Bridgestone thing. May take a couple years.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    I am also not a bigot but I see your point and I happen to agree with you. I love Japanese cars but I certainly do not aspire to live or work there. Their society is not nearly as open and free as ours is. They do not have our diversity which is both good and bad for them. They are very single minded people and they work very hard. Just not a lot of imagination.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    are always dangerous ...

    In any case, we're here to talk about the LS 460 itself.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    21% gain for the year and that's with a weak LS year. Lexus shipped just under 3900 LS460's in December - highest amount I ever saw for an LS - and I still can't find one. They are holding one for me for March but I'm going to have to deposit it by the end of the month as the car is now sold out here thru March.
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