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Mitsubishi Outlander dealer network

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  • growwisegrowwise Posts: 297
    If anyone can believe it, Mitsu did not start selling its wares in Canada until 3 years ago. As of now, for every one mitsu dealer, you could find a zillion gigantic Honda and Toyota dealers. Even those dealers who are far and few in between seem like mickey mouse operations with dealership looking like small office with a few cars here and there.

    I am sure people can get scared away thinking that they may not get dealer/parts support. Besides, Mitsu has been in doldrums stateside and their rep is so so as of now. It'd be self serving if they comes out and reassure potential customers that they did pour good bit of money into product development despite their financial woes. Oh and that quality is all there with made in japan and what not.

    I am also very skeptical at this point about pricing as in Canada, prices traditionally are very high.. so a fully decked out outlander might cost upwards of 40 grand CAD. That'd be another detriment in my book. Add to the fact that their showroom is not so appealing with dowdy vehicles which are aging rapidly guaranteed with brutal depreciation..

    They need to provide a compelling reason for folks to overlook the bustling dealerships of other makes and come into rent-a-room dealership (atleast in canada) with low traffic. Pity though since I always liked quirkyness of mitsu and suzuki..They dont deserve the bad rep they got.
  • If I did my calculations right, then $40,000 CAD would be equal to about $35,500 US? Wow, you're right, that would be pretty expensive.

    And I know what you mean about the need to re-assure potential new customers that Mitsu is not leaving the states. As it is, here in NJ, USA there don't seem to be a lot of Mitsu dealerships. There are TONS of Chevy, Ford, GM, and Toyota dealerships in my area, but maybe only 2 Mitsu's.

    I honestly can't figure out why Mitsu has dropped down to it's current state. Yes, their sedans are bland... but I actually think their new Eclipse design is quite stylish and I'm surprised that more people aren't buying them. I have to admit that I don't really see a point in offering the Raider, since it seems like everyone is running out to buy Nissan Titan's these days. I also feel that the Montero is, in my opinion, way overpriced. But still, I can't believe things could be so bad that there would actually be talk of them leaving the U.S. market.

    Hopefully, the new Outlander will have the same response as it did in Japan, although the competition (especially the RAV4) will be tougher here in the U.S. I got a response from a local dealership saying that they should have them on the lot Nov. 1st, so maybe soon I'll actually get a chance to inspect one up close. I think that Outlander has an awful lot going for it feature and value-wise, although I think the interior looks a little second-rate compared to the stunning interior of the new Santa Fe.
  • Which NJ dealer will have them on Nov 1?

    I spoke to a few recently and got answers ranging from "in a few weeks" to "next month".
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    The Canadian price estimate is exaggerated. I did studied the Mitsubishi US pricing compared to RAV4 and the LS is few hundred USD less than the Base RAV4 V6 4x4 (31,800 CAD) and the XLS is few hundred less than the RAV4 V6 4x4 Sport (33,600 CAD). Therefore I think the Canadian prices will follow the trend. The LS will be priced between 30-31K and the XLS will be between 32-33K. Also, the exchange rate used for 2007 Eclipse is about 26%, therefore my guess is that something similar will be applied to the Outlander, which will bring the LS closer to 30K CAD. Mitsubishi must stay well under the RAV4 V6 price and very close to Santa Fe (3.3 GL is 30K) otherwise they will be in trouble. Keep in mind that recently Mitsubishi Canada has separated from Mitsubishi USA and now they can make their own decisions (they report directly to Japan) specific to the Canadian market.
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    I counted 5 Mitsubishi dealers in Toronto area (GTA). I have never been to one of them. The problem for Mitsu is that they do not have what to sell, except for the 2007 Eclipse. Their current cars are good somehow but unappealing. The new Outlander was a pleasant surprise for me, which I never thought of Mitsubishi before. I saw some spy shots of the new Lancer and it looks promising as well. Hopefully Mitsubishi is on the right track with their products. The marketing should spread the word out too. The dealer network will grow if they will have what to sell. Few years ago there were a hand full of Hyundai dealers in the GTA and now I counted 13.
  • growwisegrowwise Posts: 297
    I think the interior looks a little second-rate compared to the stunning interior of the new Santa Fe.

    Whoa :surprise: .. SantaFe and stunning in the same sentence? :sick:
  • piastpiast Posts: 269
    I've tested 07 outlander on 10/28 in Chicago area. They had about six of them on the lot. It's a very nice truck, bit smaller on the outside than expected, but roomy enough inside. As far as interior - sure it's not a Lexus, but comparable with Honda and better than Santa Fe or RAV4 IMO.
    Plastics are similar, front seats much more comfortable, sporty looking, back seats slide and recline. It is pretty easy to open both halves of the gate or tumble rear seats. On the road - nice and quiet, good pick up. I would give it 8 of 10.
  • xcellxcell Posts: 14
    Your Review....

    Could you list your

    PROS

    CONS

    Thanks!
  • Hi, njawdriver.

    I had received a phone call from "Prestige Volkswagen/Mitsubishi" in Turnersville, NJ.

    They sent me an email giving me an arrival date of Nov. 1st and also gave me the same date on a voicemail message which they had left on my phone.

    One thing that I liked about the email is that it says if they don't have the Outlander that you want on their lot they can find it equipped the way you want and have it on the lot for you in usually between 24-48 hours. They also said in the email that if you prefer they will factory order the truck exactly as you want it.

    If I do decide to get one after January I think that factory ordering is the route which I will probably end up taking, because something tells me that certain colors (like the "Deep Blue Metallic" I am currently in love with) will be harder to locate than others.
  • piastpiast Posts: 269
    PROS:
    Excellent value esp. in LE trim
    Fresh, good looks in and out
    Long warranty
    Refined, efficient engine, regular fuel
    CONS:
    5 passenger version with leather pkg. not available
    Need room for seven? Hold on to your van
    30K sticker on loaded compact non premium CUV
    "We build it, will they come?"
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    "We build it, will they come?" .... LOL so true.
    When does the 07 Outlander officially go on sale? On the Outlander's web site it says November, but would it be 1st or 30th?
    www.mitsubishicars. com still "sells" 2006 Outlander but not 2007.

    MITSUBISHI - Wake up and sell!....
  • growwisegrowwise Posts: 297
    Third row is indeed a plus for those who dont need it on a regular basis. How many minivans are running about everyday with third row in use? Not many IMHO. For most young families (a kid or two and perhaps a dog), outlander will do. For the occasional time with friends or relatives, third row could be used for kids to make room for adults in the second row. So, you wind up with a vehicle which is not too big that suits your needs without the baggage of a minivan. Ofcourse, carmakers know this and thats why crossover cuvs are all the rage (and higher price tag). Hopefully, mitsu will give a good bit of discount. Question is whether people will bite considering that this company has a good chance of going under in next few years and is currently on life support. I personally think mitsu should have come out with this outlander a while back. Anyways, IMHO its better than all the cute utes out there including cx7 (cx5 should be more like it) and perhaps highlander (6 long years and still no word of replacement)
  • Yeah, these cars have been on the lots for at least a week now, yet no "Build and Price" option on the web site. Come on already...
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    Today I read that the ad campaign for 2007 Outlander will start on Nov 6. Perhaps this is the official date when the Outlander goes on sale.
  • xcellxcell Posts: 14
    Does anyone know if the 07 Outlander will have a "Homelink"
    feature?
  • I'm not sure, but I don't recall seeing any mention of Homelink in the "100 Features" section of the Outlander site. It would be odd though if it doesn't come with it.
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    "Build and Price" is now available on Mitsu web site. The big disappointment is that the Outlander is not available in RED. I have seen pictures of a red Outlander LS at the press review. Mitsubishi, what's wrong with you? Every other Mitsubishi is available in RED, but not Outlander. This is a shame ....
  • Well I saw the Outlander, and test drove it today. Since people already talked about the Interior, I won't mention the same thing. One thing I realized today though was that the leather seating is only in the XLS trim, and it looks like it's part of a package...I somehow missed that information in the last month of researching this car....did anyone else know that prior to today? That's a major downer for me. Also I wouldn't compare this car to a CX-7, or a Highlander, this car should be compared more to a CR-V, Santa-Fe, maybe the Rav-4, more of the smaller SUV brands. Overall though, I think this car has alot to offer in terms of warranty, horsepower, alot of different specs, options, and price. I was interested in the LS trim, because the 7th seating is really useless, but now that I can't get the leather with this trim, don't know if I will even get this. In terms of driving this car, I didn't go on the highway, but the engine definately has some pep to it like everyone says. It's an overall nice car, and if you accept the Outlander for what it is, you'll like it. One more thing, for the LS trim/Sun and Sound package/Bluetooth = $26,250. That's what was offered to me in NY.
  • nbmannbman Posts: 5
    I think it's pretty much the norm that leather is only available on the highest trim. That's the case for the Rav, CRV, probably the Santa Fe also. A side note on the CX-7, apparently there no more cargo room than in a Mazda 6 sedan.
  • It seems that the sun-roof is not standard even on XLS:
    SUN & SOUND PACKAGE:
    650-watt (max.) Rockford Fosgate® audio system nine speakers including an integrated, enclosed 10-inch rear subwoofer • 6CD/MP3-compatible in-dash changer (LS only) • Digital Signal Processing • Auxiliary input jack • Six months of pre-paid Sirius® Satellite Radio • Power glass sunroof
    Mitsubishis Canadian Site is DEAD. It does not even mention 2007 model. What a shame... What kind of % Rate are they offerring on 2007 Otlander 60 months?
  • In terms of leather, yeah some only offer it in the highest trim others don't like the CX-7, and the ones that do have it in the highest trim, it's standard. According to what I saw online, the leather is offered as a package (Luxury package) on the XLS trim. I think that sucks that it's not a standard feature, and it should have been a package offerring on the LS trim...just my opinion.
  • From what the dealer quoted me yesterday, the special rates are as follows.
    %3.9 - 48 months
    %4.9 - 60 months
    I can't remember if these rates are good until 12/2007 or 1/2008.
    The features that were very appealing about this car looks like things you have to pay for, even on the XLS trim...very disappointing.
  • Finally, the "Build and Price" option is available!

    However, when I choose the 4WD XLS, and click on the "Sun and Sound Package" it automatically clicks the "Luxury Package" as well? I don't think you need to get both? Maybe a programming error.

    I hope to test drive one this afternoon.
  • Thanks, I was expecting some sort of promotion... let's say 0.9%. I am very disapointed as well. With some ggod options and with 4.9% this car will be NOT exactly cheap. 2006 model is sold in Canada with 0% up to 60months. Like someone already said, maybe i should drive to USA and take a look at 2007 model? Websites, pictures, etc is nice but you HAVE TO see it in order to know if this is THE ONE :)
    We still have few 2006 models, and i would not wait for 2007, but i really like 3.0L engine.
  • nbmannbman Posts: 5
    Usually interest % goes down when the company wants to get rid of remaining year end models or if it's not selling. I would have been surprised if the interest rate would have been 0.9% right from the start.
  • rcpaxrcpax Posts: 580
    For a moment let's think beyond our "initial perceptions" about the vehicle and start thinking objectively. Before the official price and build tool from mitsubishi's site, there is no site accurate as to the options you'll be getting. Edmunds.com was near accurate in that respect but not 100%. As an example, I went to the 2 dealers. Dealer 1- did not know that Sun and Sound was tied up with Luxury package, I have to tell him that, as this was listed at edmunds.com, later confirmed correct from mitsu's site. Dealer 2 (a week after I visited dealer 1) - said that you can't get Navi on XLS without getting S&S and Luxury as well, meaning to get Navi, you'll have to get the 3 other factory installed options, he is correct, but Edmunds.com failed to mention that in the options. However I asked him "if I get the base, can I have the Navi installed as a dealer option?" and he said it can't be done, and he was wrong because Mitsubishi's site, as well as Edmunds.com lists a "dealer installed" Navi system, and so did all other 3 "better informed" dealerships. Too bad this dealership is closest to my location. Truth is, the Navi can be installed on ANY model of the 07 Outlander.

    In short, the official build and price tool revealed that some of our early guesses and perceptions about the vehicle are wrong, at least now we know the truth. Another case in example is the color Red, which isn't listed at all, but early press photos shows a red model.

    But is it not cheap? Of course shelling out 28K isn't gonna be cheap. But look at what you will be getting, and try to check if you can get something of the same spec from another manufacturer for the same amount of money.

    0% APR is offered in most cases as a "clearance" incentive. I don't expect it to be offered on new model. A 4.9% APR is the more realistic figure for someone with a good credit score. As for the "toys" and "blings", these aren't gonna come as bundled freebies. And as with any other manufacturer, no options are given for free. I don't think it would be fair to say "I'm disappointed with Mitsubishi for not giving me the Navigation Package and Leather seats for free with my XLS at 25,635$". You want it? then you have to pay for it.

    But don't settle at MSRP. Most dealers I talked to are offering prices for the just a few hundred dollars above invoice. That's a lot less compared to the sticker price,and even the TMV prices, especially if you're looking at a fully loaded XLS. Go to your nearest dealer, test drive it, and get a quote on your favorite trim. You'll be surprised you can still save a few hundred $ from edmunds' TMV prices.

    Being a first time car buyer in the US, I have learned that pricing will vary a lot between dealerships, and that car buying in America is more of an art rather than science. No hard and fast rules.

    I am still looking to buy an XLS with all 3 factory options in. Having seen it for real and actually tested the toys, plus, having been quoted a price very close to invoice, you just can't pass on this offer.
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    The FULLY LOADED 07 Outlander XLS is $32,095 (including $625 delivery charge) and it has leather, RF upgraded sound, sunroof, navi AND entertainment. I think the entertainment is a dealer installed accessory. I noticed that you can only select ONE dealer installer package - the ones that start with ACCESSORY.
  • rcpaxrcpax Posts: 580
    That's correct. There is, however, one variant which I haven't seen yet. It's an XLS with all 3 factory packages, but with factory installed Rear Seat Entertainment System. This should cost at around the same MSRP you quoted. The advantage of this system is that you will be able to sync the DVD video in the RSE to the Navi screen in front. But I guess this is a "special order" item.
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    What I don't get is:
    1. Why can't one get Luxury without Sun&Sound and S&S without L.
    2. Why can't one order more than one dealer installed packages.
    The good thing is that you can get almost any special option individually. I see Navi, RSE, Bluetooth interface, fog lights selling on Ebay as individual kits.
  • rcpaxrcpax Posts: 580
    (my 2 cents) that's to simplify the manufacturing process. Just imagine if you are going have a completely customizable car, how many variants will Mitsu manufacture? For the factory installed option in the XLS alone, that would mean 9 different variants for the 4wd XLS and 9 2WD XLS, add to that the other trims. So it just makes sense to bundle these factory options together. Even Toyota does in the RAV4.

    It's good we can have some of the options "dealer installed" like the Navi system, RSE. The Bluetooth and fog lights will be applicable only to the LS. But if you ask me, I won't be comfortable buying these off eBay.I would rather have them installed from a reputable dealer. Most dealer installed options come with a 1 year warranty. While if I buy from eBay, I'd have to look for someone to install these kits, and if it's not a Mitsu dealer, I would likely void the warranty of the vehicle just in case things don't work right the first time. Case in example is the Navi kit, I did a good hard look at the dash of the base XLS, and the one with Navi, and I don't think the Navi kit is something you can fit as easiliy as the fog light. The bluetooth kit too requires buttons on the steering wheel, and wiring into the sound system, and it doesn't look like I can install that myself either. So I guess there are pros and cons to that.
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