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Ford Escape Hybrid Engine Problems

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  • joadjoad Posts: 4
    edited May 2010
    The wrench light is usually in damper motor for the battery cooler. You may want to have this checked so the battery doesn't overheat.

    The waterpump has been redesigned and you should not have that issue again. The labor seems kinda steep on that repair. I'm not a mechanic and it took about 20 minutes to replace mine.
  • briano17briano17 Posts: 3
    We had this problem yesterday in a 05 FEH. Started off as a High Motor Temperature light, followed by the Triangle of death and total shutdown in the middle of traffic. Upon lifting the hood could not smell a hot motor, both coolant reservoirs full and not hot to touch. Glad of second vehicle. The next day car started with no alarms present?
    Who were these 4 clowns in Canada that could not help you? I need to book with a dealer in the Red Deer Alberta area to get this fixed. Was it the electronic coolant pump?
  • spintcspintc Posts: 2
    I was on the highway when my car shut off without warning. I was 4 hours from home so found a dealer and it has been 2weeks without my car, they are waiting on a part under warranty for the electronic water pump. I had to rent a car which has cost me 650,00 and adding up daily. Ford won't reimburse me for the rental and when my car does get fixed I have to take off of work and drive 4 hours away to pick up my car. I have LOVED this car for 2 years but this has really made me think it is not a reliable vehicle. anyone else have this issue and how long did it take to get the part?
  • They had the part but it still cost me $900. I asked for the old pump back, took it apart and the ceramic impeller was broken in 3 pieces. I think this should be a recall issue. Also not covered under warranty (normal wear and tear?). The dealer also wanted me to pay $50 for a new air filter which I refused to buy. Insult to injury.
    Everything else about the car is good but is this going to happen again?
  • joadjoad Posts: 4
    If your car is under factory warranty and they can't fix it the same day, Ford warranty pays for a rental. Check your warranty guidelines booklet.
  • joadjoad Posts: 4
    The pump has been redesigned, so it should not fail again. That price seems a little steep. It took me 30 minutes to replace mine and the part cost $250.
  • so how long did it take for the part to become available? i took our 2008 FEH in yesterday for this same problem and they told me there is no ETA for this piece (it's on back order). and in the mean time i am not supposed to drive my car in case of doing further damage. the red triangle with the exclamation mark came on july 31st and hasn't appeared again, but still they make me nervous telling me that i shouldn't drive it. BTW our car has a little over 71,000 miles on it and is covered by an extended warranty but can only have a rental car for 5 days covered with that warranty. with no ETA i am pretty much screwed!
  • I was lucky, only had to wait 1 day for the part, came from Edmonton. We drove about 50 km after the 'triangle of death' appeared, and finally it just shut off. We waited 5 minutes, restarted it and limped home another km. The dealer was able to tell us the maximum temperature that occurred (can't remember the value, but it was high). I asked if the motor/generator insulation was harmed by the high temp and they did not know. Can't they do a Megger (insulation breakdown) test? Thats what they do in heavy industry. Hope this does not happen again
  • With all of these costs that we're experiencing how about getting a class action lawsuit together? Any failure like this that leaves people stranded should have been a recall I believe. Does anyone have any experience in this area?

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  • ndfeetndfeet Posts: 2
    Mine failed 5 times then I did not have problem for 600 miles . Parked it in my garage and called my Ford dealer to order the part and I was informed that I was number 800 thats right 800 on the bakcorder list. That was two weeks ago and they still do not have it. I emailed Ford about this and they had the dealer contact me. Which did no good as I had already spoke to them. So having Ford belly up looks like it will not happen. NUMBER "800" ON THE BSCKORDER LIST..
  • I just sold my 2002 Toyota Prius with 76,000 miles. Toyota had to replace the battery at about 8 years and 62,000 miles. In California they had a 10 year warranty. The only other problems I had that were covered by my 7 year 100,000 mile extended warranty were a new power steering unit at about 55,000 miles and new rear struts at the final 70,000 mile service. After almost 9 years I was becoming fearful of the possible cost. I was told the steering problem would have cost me around $3000 had I not had the extended warranty. The car was only worth around $5000 so it was time. I purchased a new Toyota Camry Hybrid. They now have new selections of extended warranties, Since we are not high millage drivers I purchased the 8 year 80,000 mile warranty. The cost being around another $2000. I should mention I am not one for purchasing all these extended warranties, however, with the expense of auto repair (especially hybrids) I found it prudent. It should also be mentioned that the hybrid batteries in California are no longer covered 10 years but are now 8 years.
    I also have a 2006 Escape hybrid with 28,000 miles on it. Unfortunately the extended warrarnty is only to 5 years 100,000. It is currently in the shop and has been for 3 days. NO engine check lights have come on but, the vehicle is idling faster than normal and longer when first started. There is a louder than normal engine sound at the time of this idle (kind of reminds me of older cars if you ran them without the air cleaner. I also find that every so often when I start out from a stop there is a smell of raw gas. I had this happen once after backing it out of the garage and found the smell coming from under the hood and not the exhaust pipe. So far Ford says they can not find a thing wrong. They felt the idle was high and checked with the factory and found it was within range. What the hell range I always found idles were always a close tollerance not several hundred to a thousand RPM's. Anyone else had a similar problem
  • Hey Voyager,

    I just was checking out this site. You probably solved that issue already, but if not here is my experience.

    I had a similar warning and then the engine shut down and the display said "pull over safely", I pulled over and checked the obvious things and started back up to go on my merry way. This happened once more on that day, both on the highway (at speed). I took it to the dealer and they diagnosed a bad blend air actuator? I run an equipment shop and had to know what that was.

    So the batteries have a heating/cooling system of thier own. It's purpose is to keep the batteries at optimum operating temperature for long life and performance. As I found this temp is somewhere around 70 deg F (i think), the system has a small door flap in the body, just behind the drivers rear door. it opens and closes to allow more or less air into the battery cooling system. In my case it was a 90 deg day and I was travelling a steady 75mph for 2 hours and the door stuck closed and the battery overheated. Apparently there is a filter in there also, that should be looked at occasionally. From what I read some of the newer models 2009? maybe are a little different and use some of the inside HVAC air for cooling also.

    My problem has never reoccured
  • imcooknimcookn Posts: 7
    My wife called me in a panic last night saying that the hi temp light or indicator went on and the car came to a stop eventually. She did this several times before calling me. Although she was in the neighborhood less than a mile away she ignord my plea to stop and I would come and get her.

    This morning I ran the scanner and got no codes. I checked the water and oil levels and all was OK. Then I drove the car for about 6 miles and everything was OK, no warning lights or alerts.

    So what do you think happened? Any advice as to how to proceed?
  • kapetan5kapetan5 Posts: 1
    Hey folks, looks like I'm not the only one to have a problem with the water pump on hybrid. Same as the others I've read here. Driving along, a beep, red triangle of death and left running on electric only. Turn off the car and restart and the problem goes away. This is the second time this has happened with mine. The last was 10 months ago. I've contacted Ford and "they're looking into this". Anybody interested in joining a class action suit against Ford?
  • tcm1tcm1 Posts: 2
    It's not the water pump. I had the same problem. The battery pack and computer are easily over heated. Both went out about 75k. ford covers both to 80k. In Cal they have to cover until 100k. Both battery pack and computer were replaced. 121k now sounds like a rod has gone bad.
  • I just ran into the same problem. It cost me $700 to get fixed at the Ford dealership. They charged me $100 just to diagnose the problem, and $600 to fix it. The electrical cooling pump had to be replaced. I no longer feel safe driving this car and am also contacting Ford as the computer coding that makes the car shut off while driving is flawed and extremely dangerous. I can't believe there has been no recall on this. I was driving in rush hour traffic on the highway in NYC with 3 lanes of traffic going 65+ bumper to bumper when I got the beep, the red triangle, Stop Safely Now message, and the engine completely quit. There was no breakdown lane and me and my 2 children were nearly killed trying to get off the highway with absolutely no power, never mind that I still had 180 miles to drive to get home to MA. Luckily the jersey barriers blocking the breakdown lane opened up for about 100 ft so that I had some place to stop but it was treacherous! And this is a safety issue that appears to have been happening since 2005! The engine also completely shut down 4 times on a 2 mile stretch while driving to work in rush hour traffic. That is what prompted me to get it to the dealer last week. My local mechanic would not work on it. He referred me to the dealership.
  • tcm1tcm1 Posts: 2
    The battery pack and computer are already damaged, dump the car. The only reason Ford fixed mine is California made them extend the warranty on the batteries for 100k not the the 80k in most states. I recently sold mine. I was lucky I broke even on it. No more hybrids for me. New engine with install about 6k and I have yet to meet a Ford mech that knows how to do it. Run away, run away!
  • samaisamai Posts: 2
    Don't buy this hybrid at all. Our fleet got 9 escape hybrids, all of them with problems. One of it turned dead won't start. The dealer cannot even find out the problem, why it won't start amazing. 2008 escape hybrid dead, may be in a year all of them will die, will be selling them to junkyard :lemon: . Good thing is that our company figured it out and started to go towards toyota camry and highlander hybrids, superb cars. Lot better in luxury and maintenance. All of them who reads this, it is a warning, make a better choice for hard earned money.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,784
    "It's not the water pump. I had the same problem. The battery pack and computer are easily over heated. Both went out about 75k. ford covers both to 80k. In Cal they have to cover until 100k. Both battery pack and computer were replaced. 121k now sounds like a rod has gone bad."

    It is not California, it is CARB states (I believe there are 13 states). The warranty is 10 years / 150K in those states, 8 years / 120K in other states. This ONLY covers the hybrid components.

    The part in question is the MCES, which cools the electronics (not the battery, whch has it's own A/C). Since it is not used in the non hybrid Escape, I can't imagine how they get away with not classifying it as a hybrid component, except that it isn't directly part of the hybrid system.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,784
    "Don't buy this hybrid at all. Our fleet got 9 escape hybrids, all of them with problems. One of it turned dead won't start. The dealer cannot even find out the problem, why it won't start amazing. 2008 escape hybrid dead, may be in a year all of them will die, will be selling them to junkyard . Good thing is that our company figured it out and started to go towards toyota camry and highlander hybrids, superb cars. Lot better in luxury and maintenance. All of them who reads this, it is a warning, make a better choice for hard earned money. "

    They Camry is a passenger car, not an SUV, so it really isn't comparable. As for the Highlander Hybrid, for AWD applications the FEH is vastly better; the Ford model uses a mechanical AWD, so that one always has access to driving the rear wheels. The Toyota uses electric motors, which will simply stop working when they overheat - as they will if used enough. This won't happen with periodic AWD, but may happen at the beach or other intensive AWD situations.

    My 2008 is still humming along. Sorry you had a bad experience.
  • Same problem with my 2007 Escape Hybrid, 55mph, boxed-in traffic, red kiss-of-death triangle, beeping, stop safely now (ha ha) message. Water pump diagnosis, $750 for the part, $150 for the "computer diagnosis", part has to be ordered. Someone is going to get hurt or killed by this defect!
  • My ’06 FEH, 60,000 miles will make a banging noise occasionally when the engine shuts off. It is as if the engine can’t decide if it wants to be running or not. Happens more in DRIVE than In LOW I think because I tend to drive it in a way to make it shut off when in L. No codes or check engine light. Cleaned the spark plugs, put in high octane gas with out any improvement. My Wife says when it happens to her the ABS light will flash.
    What to do?
  • Tonight on the 405 freeway my 2008 Escape Hybrid with only 28,000 miles had the red lights come on and started to come to a complete stop on the freeway. Crazy traffic, I barely made it to the side before my car just stopped on the freeway. Has this happened to you again? It was really scary. I almost got into a horrible accident. What did Ford say / do?
  • Tonight on the 405 freeway going up the hill, my 2008 Escape Hybrid with only 28,000 miles had the red lights come on, everything locked up and started to come to a complete stop on the freeway. Crazy traffic, I barely made it to the side before my car just stopped on the freeway. It was really scary. I almost got into a horrible accident. I waited a few minutes, the car started up again and I got off the freeway and make it home. Has anyone had this happen???
  • I went straight to a dealer. My pump had to be replaced and ford covered it as a defected part. I have nit had any other problems since it was repaired but am always worried when on the freeway. Get it fixed ASAP.
  • What is the MCES? I've tried to pull up the parts on Ford.com to see if I could plug and play my way to a fix.

    I've had problems with my 2006 Hybrid since 2007. Same as everyone, car stops and limps to side. Wait a while and it will restart. Dealer couldn't find problem and wanted to "shotgun" everything for about $1000. When dealer told me I shouldn't complain, that they'd done the warranty work for free, I asked "what warranty work". And then I saw the letter describing the shutdown problem, and the "free fix", neither had been mailed to me or shown as a "recall". Since the work done, replacing a resistor in the Powertrain Control Module (not a "recall", but classified as a "Customer Satisfaction Program" and valid thru 8/2009 or 150,000) fix the symptoms, I also refused to pay their diagnostic fee - replacing it all doesn't count. And they weren't even telling me they'd already done the work.

    However, it's happenned again. 3 yrs later, same result but this time it was the filthy "cabin filter". Easy fix and I've seen it mentioned by others.

    Now, 4 months after the filter fix, it's happenning again. No warning, no sounds, just quits. Even tempeture isn't consistent. It's been over 100 in the desert all summer, so why NOW? And it will restart and drive for an inconsistent number of days or hours. But today was the worst. Took me 2 hrs to limp home 20 miles. And then my wife jumps in and goes driving off with no problem, yet.

    After reading these horror stories for 3 hrs, I'm left with choices of battery pack fan or CHT Sensor or Electronic Cooling Pump, and the first "MCES"
  • Sorry guys time to say good bye from the forum like I said to my FEH. I got rid of it last week sold it for price of junk. Good luck everybody with your FEH. Last message for Ford Motors, I am suprised to see no response with so many cars having the same problem. It is equally dangerous for a car to lose power on a highway as it is to not be able stop like toyota prius (every one knows it was a scam to drag toyota down when domestic manufacturer were suffering in recession). psst looks like a deal between transportation saftey board and ........
    Never will I buy a ford again. BYE
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,784
    "Sorry guys time to say good bye from the forum like I said to my FEH. I got rid of it last week sold it for price of junk. Good luck everybody with your FEH. Last message for Ford Motors, I am suprised to see no response with so many cars having the same problem. It is equally dangerous for a car to lose power on a highway as it is to not be able stop like toyota prius (every one knows it was a scam to drag toyota down when domestic manufacturer were suffering in recession). psst looks like a deal between transportation saftey board and ........
    Never will I buy a ford again. BYE "

    Well, good luck with your future cars. My personal experience has been great. I suspect that swapping the old model MCES pump for the new model would have fixed your problems, at least from what I am reading in other forums.
  • Thanks! I got it fixed...it was the water pump. It was free but I never want that to happen again. I don't know why a car company would make a car just shut off on you without any warning. thanks again!
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