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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,676
    I've been informed that even temp gauges these days are merely idiot lights, just a different kind that we're not used to seeing. The car's engine goes through a wide range of operating temperatures, all depending on the driving conditions.

    The engine temperature in stop-and-go driving in the summer and highway driving in the winter vary widely, yet the temp gauge needle never moves from its designated "normal" position. Only if something goes wrong, will the needle move.

    Bob
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    Yes, but then why does the WRX have it and the other Imprezas don't? Clearly it's a cost-cutting measure on Subaru's part, not something which is in the customer's favor per se.

    OTOH, if cost-cutting there means they DON'T have to cost-cut somewhere important, I'm all for it. Because I quite like the price I got, and I love driving my new OBS! :-)

    I saw something in the manual for mine that talked about a computer that shows me average fuel consumption, next to the clock, but I guess my OBS doesn't have it? Because there is nothing next to the clock except the outside temp display. But now ateixeira has mentioned it also.

    If there is something I have missed, and I have to turn on the fuel consumption readout or something, do tell because I would like to have such a function. But I have a feeling that is something else only WRX and Forester owners qualify for.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,676
    Yes, but then why does the WRX have it and the other Imprezas don't?

    Probably for folks like us who insist on having a gauge. BTW, I heard this from someone who works for Subaru, that being that temp gauges are nothing but idiot lights in disguise.

    Also the temp gauge is missing from all Legacys (L-GT too) and Outbacks for 2010.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I guess Bob's point is the costs were already cut, probably a long time ago.

    I remember the 1995 Miata lost it's oil pressure gauge to a "dummy guage" that only read the lack or presence of pressure.

    The analog gauge is therefore misleading, because it's all or nothing.

    People had oil filters fail and the gauge did *not* reflect the unusually high pressure because remember it only measured the presence of SOME pressure.

    Engines blew. People were miffed.

    For that reason the 1994 and prior NA Miatas are actually often more desireable than the 1995-1997 models.

    If we lost a dummy guage, we didn't actually lose anything at all.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,511
    I am not sure if the OBS has the multi-readout display or not, but, if it does, there should be some sort of button (can anyone else help with this?) that will switch the display from outside temp (the default) to average fuel economy, instantaneous economy, etc.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,243
    On the Impreza, you get temperature, clock and mpg gauge on all the time.

    The gauge gives the readout from the last time you reset your trip odometer, and will calculate tripA and tripB odometer mpg separately. When you are on main odometer or tripA, it gives the tripA mpg reading, and automatically switches to tripB reading, when that trip odometer is displayed.

    No instantaneous economy readout available.

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    Oh, well that explains it then. I haven't reset the trip A yet, as I haven't filled it up for the first time. That will probably happen tonight, and at that point I should see the fuel economy readout light up next to the outside temp?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    I have answered my own question. There is NO fuel economy readout if you have the odometer up. However, if you switch to one of the tripmeters, the fuel economy readout for that tripmeter will display.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,243
    That's different from my '08, then.. My mpg shows the tripA number, even when just the main odometer is up..

    That'll probably add a couple thousand to my resale value... :D

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    is in the shop to have a rear valance fixed that was installed improperly at the factory. When the body shop ordered the replacement part from Subaru, it came gray instead of painted as it had in the past, so they have my car for two days to install and paint the piece. I must admit to being a touch grouchy, as it wasted an hour of my time today and will doubtless do the same tomorrow when I drop off the rental and pick up my car.

    But I haven't bought a single new car this decade that didn't require visits to the service department immediately after purchase, so why should Subaru be any exception, eh? Hopefully this is the only defect that will surface and I will be back on the road and problem-free in a day or so.

    The rental is an Accord LX, the new model. Nicest by far of the various midsize rentals I have driven recently, including Camry and the new Malibu.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    How's the road noise? I rented an Accord a while ago, though it was the prior generation. I liked it for the most part but road noise on the highway got annoying after a while. Honda needs some more sound proofing.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    Yes, road noise is very noticeable, but it's a worthwhile tradeoff for the vastly better road feel and handling vs the competition. My only complaint is that the steering is a little light, but for all I know the EX with the wider lower-profile tires may improve on the base model in that regard.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, I remember the light steering, too. A least it's not numb like my dad's Olds Custom Cruiser from the 80s. That had less feedback than video games do.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    about this car is that there's more body lean than you expect the first time you put it to the test, but it's deceptive - even through tight twisties it remains glued to the ground and ultimately is faster through some local canyons than my Matrix was, which had less body roll.

    At the same time, it's a MUCH better highway cruiser in terms of ride. It's a win-win for me on the suspension side! :-)

    In the negatives column, I will place these $0.49 plastic biscuits that Subaru apparently calls sunshades. When you put these things up, they hit the "headliner" (I use the term loosely) with such a thump it shakes the whole car. Before too long, I am sure I will bruise a knuckle on one of these things.

    But with the understanding that every car under $30K makes tradeoffs in order to cost-cut, I am still satisfied with the cost-cutting choice this represents. Better to put it somewhere I won't see or touch very much, than to take dollars out of the engineering or out of materials in places where my hands and elbows will be all the time.

    Have turned over my first 1000 miles now - can cut loose a bit more! :-)

    '09 OBS

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree about the peach-fuzz headliner and the sunshade being areas where cost-cutting it a bit obvious, but the sunshades on my Miata are even worse - thin, hard plastic. I'm sure for durability reasons on a convertible, but still.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,243
    The body roll leads you to assume your cornering is sub-standard.... but, then you realize that the tires aren't sliding, the rear end isn't coming around, and your exit speeds are higher than you expect.. :)

    All of this is assuming dry pavement... In rain or snow, the tires suck so bad, you can't tell how the car handles... :(

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    Yeah, for those of us not leasing, it becomes incumbent to replace the tires early with something a whole lot better.

    But hey, it's May! Summer's coming, and the roads where I live will now be dry for at least five solid months, enough to test the limits of the OBS some more. :-)

    I find it intriguing that reports of braking for the 2.5i with rear drums range around 138 feet from 60-0, yet the one report I can find of a 2.5i Premium (tested by Edmunds in fact) with rear discs lists a distance of 122 feet. Can the discs really make that much difference? If so, it would affirm my previous vow not to ever buy another new car with rear drum brakes.

    As for tires not sliding and rear ends not coming around, I have yet to even invoke the VDC - this makes me realize just how much of a wimp I really am, as I wouldn't want to be cornering any faster than I am anyway - I am already going much faster than all the other traffic! :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Aren't the tires also better? That may be another factor.

    Mostly, though, disc brakes cool down better than drums, so they'll fade less.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,243
    Are the tires different? Maybe the alloy wheels help.. ;)

    The stability control is really unobtrusive... it lets you get pretty loose before kicking in.. which is a good thing..

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    Aren't they the same tires?

    The OBS uses a 17" rim, but they are still just V-rated Potenza RE92As, with the same width as the lower Imprezas use.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not sure, usually the Outback and Outback Sport get heavier duty stuff. I really don't know, though.

    Alloys usually have bigger voids than steel wheels with wheel covers, so they actually can be better at cooling brakes, too.
  • I'm looking at a lightly used 2009 impreza 2.5i w/ premium package. I currently own a 99 accord and LOVE it, but live in a snowy area and want AWD for winter months. Husband has Suzuki SX4 hatchback and loves the AWD. There isn't enough trunk space for me, so looking at sedans. Subaru seems to have a good reputation for AWD. Can anyone affirm that their Impreza is good and reliable in the snow?

    Also, I noticed some rattling coming from somewhere on the inside of the car when driving...is this an issue?

    Engine noise from inside of car seems to have a bass-type sound to it....anyone else notice this?

    Noticed a lot of chips on hood. Does Subaru paint chip / rust easily?

    I'm conflicted in whether to buy this car. 2009. approx 4500 miles on it for $17400 with automatic starter.

    Thanks for help!
  • Driving in snow is amazingly good. We are going for another one, likely a Forester. My Impreza paint is terrible. I will not get the same dark gray color for the new car.

    My advice is to buy new model and make sure the dealer services it for the first three years. There is a glut of 2009 Imprezas so the deal on a new one should be close to a used one.

    Sol
  • Thanks for the reply. The price on a new 2009 Impreza is about $4000 more than the list price on the used one, even though they are both listed 2009. If the paint on Subarus is of an inferior quality, perhaps I should go with the used if the new one would chip anyway.

    DO you notice any rattling on the inside or loud engine noise?
  • janice96janice96 Posts: 19
    I have a 08 impreza hatch back.w/premium pk. I would check on a new one. I don't have any rattling. There is more luggage space in 5 door hatchback.Thats why I went for it, although I like the looks of Sedan better. I actually wanted a Legacy Wagon but they went to Outback Wagon. The Impreza is great in snow. Mine has been reliable and so far hasn't had to go in shop for any thing.Paint does chip easily, my understanding its because of the new Environmently Friendly paint. I have put arround 20,000 miles on my impreza and most of that on snowy icey roads.
    Hope this helps you.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,511
    Rattles on the interior of a new Subaru is pretty typical, but by 4500 miles they probably will not get much, if any, worse. If you can isolate the origin of the rattle, I might be able to give you more feedback as to what is causing it. The car still has quite a bit of factory warranty left on it (3 year / 36,000 miles), so you can likely get this addressed if it bothers you. Paint chipping is par for the course anymore. Today's paints are "safer," but they sure don't tolerate rocks. You can have a clear bra (3M) applied to it to reduce future chipping in the most rock-prone areas.

    Subaru AWD is fantastic. Put decent tires on it, and an Impreza will take yu anywhere you need to go!
  • No rattling or noise.. the Impreza is a pleasure to drive.. very surefooted in all road conditions. I had a few close calls at high speed.. the Impreza just gripped the road and kept the car from spinning out.

    I prefer a new car and the dealer being on the hook. I recommend you shop a little harder and stick with a new car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My sister compared her Forester to a Camry, test drove both on the same day.

    It was raining.

    Guess which one she's driving now? 03 Forester and still loving it.
  • Do you have to put snow tires on an AWD impreza for it to work reliably in the snow? I think it comes with Bridgestone Potenza tires.
  • The tires that came with the car are all season tires. They were rotated every second oil change by my Subaru dealer. No need to add snows or chains unless you live in severe winter weather area. I live in CT.
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