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2007 Elantra vs VW Rabbit

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  • In my opinion, auto mag reviewers tend to place too much weight on handling because they're enthusiasts. For example, Car and Driver places Rabbit on top ahead of civic and elantra mostly due to its great handling. But most car buyers place much more weight on economy factors such as fuel efficiency, reliability, price. Those are where Rabbit is lacking.
  • Thanks to all of the comments posted here. If it were not for this particular forum, I would not even consider a VW for my next car purchase. Looking at all the information, however, I will at least go look at the Rabbit for comparison purposes and take it out for a drive to see how it feels when I am ready to buy. I will update after I have done so.

    Remember, being open minded is a good thing! :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,720
    Yes, I think that's particularly true of the Australian review. Although the Civic was touted by C/D for its handling too. Also called out for its road noise. Given a choice between the two, I'd take less road noise given all the bad roads in my area. The Rabbit also had a lot of noise over even small bumps when I drove it--maybe the only downside of its suspension.

    At least Hyundai's engineers were able to placate the Aussie reviewers with the steering tweaks. What I predict will happen is that the U.S. will get the European-spec steering on the Elantra in a GT trim sometime next year--much like the Gen 3 GT and GLS hatch had Euro-spec steering and suspension bits.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    backyYes, I think that's particularly true of the Australian review. :confuse:

    Australian review? Not in this Rabbit vs. Elantra topic.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,720
    Sorry, that review was referenced in the following Elantra discussion:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0f9cc0/63
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    That's what the arrogant Big 3 thought about Toyota & Honda in the past. :)
  • Anyone get their Motor Trends yet? They had nice long writeups for both the Elantra and the Rabbit. The Rabbit actually got lower "star" scores in several areas, especially "performance." They really ragged on that 5-liter, like most other reviews:

    "The five lacks refinement and feels primitive. It's thrashy and harsh and seems as if it's been pulled from another era. It keeps this four-door from being fun to drive and distracts from the car's many positive attributes."

    The Rabbit got 3 stars for "value" while the Elantra got 4.5 out of 5. The Elantra actually got higher star ratings in most other categories too, but I'm not sure if these star ratings are really meant for comparison between models.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    they are not the only ones who weigh in performance and the rabbit edged out both of those cars due to more than just good handling, as a matter of fact i think that my 06 civic handled just a tad bit better than my rabbit does, mostly due to weight, so again why i feel like them praising it for its amazing handling advantage over the two is a bit far fetched. While not as fuel efficient, but not terrible either, i have real world experience with both vehicles, the civic very easily costs as much if not more and its to soon to say that the rabbit lacks reliability in the here and now as oppossed to its less reliably previous generation brethren.
  • ben911ben911 Posts: 12
    Just to weigh in here. I own a 2007 VW Rabbit 2-door. This car really is a blast to drive and has more power at 80mph in 5th gear than any of my previous cars had in 3rd or 4th. The torque is just great. For anybody to say that the Elantra is more fun than the VW has never driven both. The engine isn't "thrashy." It's "sporty." The growl is awsome. It's such a solid ride. So far no problems at 5000 miles. The MPG isn't the best, but I F-L-Y.

    The civic is a Civic (bland, predictable, around every other corner, etc)... and that's precisely why I didn't buy one. No personality. If you want an A-->B car, get a civic or elantra. Otherwise, if you want a little fun in your ride with conveniences of cars costing a lot more, you can't beat the Rabbit. Email me if you have any questions.

    Ben
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    since i have real world experience with both cars, i can attest to the ups and downs of both.

    The civic's ligheter chassis and overall lower stance make it 'feel' like its easier to toss around. Its regular rack and pinion steering make it feel a TINY bit more connected to the road.

    The rabbit acheives the same exact numbers, it just doesn't 'feel' as organic as the civc. Having said that, i think the rabbit, with its elctromechanical steering, has the most fluid and connected to the road feeling of any car equipped with such a steering setup, and the smoothness of it outweighs the civics overall.

    I wouldn't call the elantra sportier at all; if anything the engine is just as thrashy, given that many people in various magazines have referred to it as so in higher rpms, whereas very few have commented on the rabbits 'thrashiness' except maybe on edmunds.(or did they? Maybe its just rabbit haters. :P )

    I like the new civic, and think that it has personality; but its being washed out with the sheer amount of people who own them.

    I plan on keeping my bunny for awhile, and think that the pros on this car (torque, absolute best interior materials, soldidity, mild exclusivity) outweight the pros (at least for me) on the civic.(gas mileage, TINY bit better feedback on steering, high end power and redline.)

    the elantra, civic and rabbit are good at a--->b cars, i just personally like the rabbit for that task more. :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,720
    Actually, I've seen multiple reviews note the "thrashiness" of the Rabbit's engine, e.g. MT's COTY review.

    I would never claim the new Elantra sedan is "sportier" than the Rabbit. The Elantra is obviously aimed at more of an econo-luxo market, as evidenced by its interior styling and smooth, quiet ride. But in handling it is no slouch, just not as crisp as the best handlers in the class. One thing to keep in mind is that we have yet to see a sport-tuned variant of the Elantra, ala Elantra GT. That could come with the new hatch, which is expected to be unveiled at the New York Auto Show next month.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Actually, I've seen multiple reviews note the "thrashiness" of the Rabbit's engine, e.g. MT's COTY review

    i still disagree with this notion, its not thrashiness, its how a five cylinder sounds, very similar to the s40's acutally and some people like it or hate it.

    I may not work for mt, but i do own the car, and spend a lot of time in it on a day to day basis, unlike them.

    I cant wait for the elantra hatch!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,720
    And unlike professional automotive reviewers like those at MT, you don't test cars for a living, drive many different cars back-to-back under the same conditions, and don't have a personal stake in the review, i.e. they typically don't own the car they are reviewing so they don't mind pointing out things that are less than perfect when they see/hear them. ;)

    The bottom line is that the Rabbit and Elantra are small cars with small engines, and I don't expect either of them to be V8-esque quiet, especially under hard acceleration. I like a car to be quiet when cruising, and I don't have a problem with either car on that score, at legal speeds or even a little more.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    neither do i. Ive never refrained from pointing out what is wrong, or what i wish could be different in my rabbit.

    I don't have a problem with the new elantra's engine either.

    But no one has ever called the 2.5 in the rabbit 'downright annoying'. :P
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,720
    Except maybe when they pull up to the gas pump? :)
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    in that case they need to think about all the other cars that could possibly be 'annoying' in that sense.

    Me? My bunny hops along and isn't too thirsty at all. :)
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    Or when they pull up to their mechanics garage.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    don't think i'll have that problem. :blush:
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    Oh, I thought you had a VW.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    I do. My only gripe is the less than affordable service german engineering comes hand in hand with! ;)
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    You do???? Why everyone I have talked to has nothing good to say about them. Just finished the taxes of someone who dumped their old VW saying never again.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • nthenthe Posts: 414
    "4DR Rabbit:
    Heated seats
    Traction control
    Stability control
    ABS
    Alloys
    $18,470 SHIPPED ($18,020 WITHOUT ESP)

    Elantra SE w/ Heated seats package
    NO traction Control
    NO stability control
    ABS
    Alloys
    Sunroof (blah for heavy snow weight)
    $17,530 "

    but, if you make the equipment the sme between the two vehicles

    Rabbit:
    4 Dr Base model (manual)
    sunroof option
    16" alloys option
    Satellite radio option
    edmunds price: 19,299

    Elantra:
    SE w/ XM (manual)
    premium pkg (sunroof and heated seats)
    floor mats
    edmunds price: 16,149 (w/ 1000 rebate).

    looks like the comperable rabbit is 3K more expensive, and for what?

    so what is hyundai is "too cheap" to include floor mats, the car is $3k less.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    older models do have their share of problems, but i have not had any with mine. 600kgolfgt has had some pretty awesome experiences with vee dubs too.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Rabbit:
    4 Dr Base model (manual)
    sunroof option
    16" alloys option
    Satellite radio option
    edmunds price: 19,299


    the 'base' 4 door still includes a type of traction control, just to clarify. you can't just 'make it the same' for the sake of the comparison. therefore, edmunds CANT have a price for it if it does not exist. I got my bunny for 17k so i'm not complaining.

    looks like the comperable rabbit is 3K more expensive, and for what?

    so what is hyundai is "too cheap" to include floor mats, the car is $3k less.

    these statements are weird...the first one insinuates that you think the rabbit is over priced, but the second has you calling hyundai 'cheap'. What gives?

    The rabbit is a different driving experience than the new elantra. The interior materials simply cannot be matched by the elantra, thats just how it is. I didn't build the cars, but vw did a better job of making the inside luxurious.

    Most german cars are more expensive than japanese or korean ones, to answer your question of why the rabbit is more expensive. Plus you get a six speed manumatic transmission, hyundai still equips the elantra with a 4 speed.

    Maybe they have to hold out on the floor mats to make up for the low cost of the elantra? :blush:
  • ktpklossktpkloss Posts: 28
    2 Dr Rabbit with 6-speed auto is only $16.4k or so, still loaded with all the safety options (no ESP tho)

    cheapest Elantra is $15.5k (4 speed auto +AC)

    for that extra 1k you're getting much more responsive/fun engine, great tiptronic transmission, excellent quality basic 8 speaker radio (mp3 + aux), traction control, climatic AC (semi-climate control), external temp display, cruise control, tilt AND telescopic steering wheel, dual vanity mirrors, turn signal mirrors... and of course, beautifull interionr materials, fit and finish

    wow.... really... let me think...which one is a better car.

    OTOH... new european Kia cee'd...that's something else...i wish we get it here in US, that would stir some healthy competition..
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,720
    You forgot one big thing the Elantra has that the 2-door Rabbit does not: 2 more doors! That is a big factor for many people. Which is why it is more apples-to-apples to compare pricing for the 4-door Rabbit to the Elantra.

    The price difference between the Rabbit 2-door automatic and Elantra GLS automatic with Preferred Package (power package, stereo, air, cruise, fog lamps etc.) is about $1200 according to Edmund's TMV, including all rebates that are available to all buyers. For that, you do get 2 more cogs on the transmission, two more speakers on the stereo, traction control, extermal temp display, telescopic steering wheel, and turn signals on the mirrors with the Rabbit. Personally, I prefer the interior of the Elantra--the base Rabbit's is too boring to me with its swaths of black plastic (but some people like dark interiors). The Rabbit has more power (also more weight to lug around), but the Elantra gets about 20% better fuel economy. The Elantra has more interior room (and those two extra doors for ease of entry/exit), XM radio, fog lamps, and a 10-year warranty. For a few hundred bucks more (still hundreds less than the base Rabbit 2-door), you can upgrade to the Elantra SE with 16" alloys, trip computer, and leather telescopic wheel with audio controls. And still two more doors.

    Better car? Depends what you are looking for. If you're looking for a 2-door hatchback, the Rabbit is the obvious choice over the Elantra. If you are looking for a 4-door, the Elantra packs a lot of value compared to the Rabbit.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    agreed with everything said here.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    You forgot one big thing the Elantra has that the 2-door Rabbit does not: 2 more doors! That is a big factor for many people.

    true, but there is a group of people who value a hatch over this. Yes its a much smaller group, but they do exist. (hi i'm eldaino.)

    At anyrate, if we are talking about feature content, the base rabbit (which is a 2 door) and the base elantra, the rabbit simply owns it.

    as far as the interiors go, although the rabbits is not as busy and more simple than the elantras it still oozes more quality and has many more soft touch surfaces. (there is little difference betweent the appearence of the 2 and four door rabbits interiors.)

    For a few hundred bucks more (still hundreds less than the base Rabbit 2-door), you can upgrade to the Elantra SE with 16" alloys, trip computer, and leather telescopic wheel with audio controls. And still two more doors.

    true, but your still stuck with an interior that is less classy than a rabbits. The only real advantage here if you could care less about the doors is the leather wrapped wheel, trip computer(another matter of opinion) and standard alloys. (they are an option on the bunny.) Its wheel telescopes no matter what trim level it is though.

    Where did you get that it was 'hundreds' less though?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,720
    If you need a hatch, you shouldn't be looking at an Elantra--until the hatch becomes available.

    Where did you get that it was 'hundreds' less though?

    Edmunds TMV pricing, and applying the $1000 rebate on the Elantra.

    You think the interior of the base Rabbit is classier than that of the Elantra; I think the opposite. Intelligent people can disagree on matters of personal taste. :)
  • nthenthe Posts: 414
    you have to look at what the cars are selling for, not what they sticker for.
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