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Ford Freestyle News and Views

kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
edited April 2 in Ford
Okay, the first point is to the HOSTS. Ever since you closed down the general thread for the Freestyle I feel kind of lost as there is no longer a general discussion thread for this vehicle. So I do not know where to put this thread so I am creating a discussion....

I was just reading this month's (December) Motor Trend and on page 18 there is an article on Ford's Fast Forward.

Now we all know what a bastion of reliability Motor Trend is with their accuracy so treat this as you will. It states and I quote:

Ford D471. Development started with the Fairlane concept from Detroit 2005, although the production model won't get that historic nameplate. Based on the front wheel Volvo S80 (Ford Five Hundred) architechure, it essentially replaces the Freestar minivan and will overlap with the Freestyle for about a year before that car is retired from the lineup. Styling is said to be much changed from the concept. Model Year 2009.

So if this is true and the new minivan/crossover "fairlane" is introduced towards the end of 2008 as a 2009, then the Freestyle may not get to see a 2010 model year.

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  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    So I do not know where to put this thread so I am creating a discussion....

    You did good! I am tempted to change the title to something like "Freestyle: News and Views" to make it somewhat more general. We do have a "Freestyle: Meet the members" discussion but no one seems to have jumped into that one.

    tidester, host
  • kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
    I would be happy with you changing the title of this thread to News and Views.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Done!

    tidester, host
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Last I heard, the Fairlane WILL NOT use the Volvo platform but will use a version of the Fusion platform which should make it less expensive than the Freestyle.

    Mark.
  • Less expensive? The Edge is based on the Fusion (Mazda6) and its more expensive than a Freestyle. I also heard the Fairlane concept was built off the Fusion, but thats just a concept car. Maybe they indeed will take advantage of the Freestyle (Volvo) chassis. It would be easier to make a 3rd row seat vehicle using the current Freestyle chassis than the Edge (Fusion) chassis. Anyway, this means the Freestyle name will last 5 model years. I wonder if the Mercury version of the Freestyle will happen?
  • kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
    My take on it is that the "world and its wife" will be coming out with 6/7 seat (full seat for adults) cross overs (sport wagons on steroids) over the next few years. This will be the next hot segment.

    In that time the Freestyle will be hopelessly outclassed. It sounds like Ford will replace the Freestyle and the decrepid Freestar with (hopefully) an edgier sport van with normal doors.

    I guess we will see in a few years time. My only wonder is what will the end of the Freestyle do for my residues on my 2005 Limited....
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    The least expensive 2007 Freestyle at my dealership is a 2007 Freestyle SEL FWD with MSRP of $27,005.00. So yes, Edge is Cheaper than a Freestyle.

    Mark.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Ah, the Freestyle ramblings thread is back! The last image I saw of the Fairlane was several months ago and man it is ugly! And I thought the Honda Element looked bad. American car styles will never go back to the sensual days of the late 50's and early 60's but please, how long is this quasi futuristic look going to last? I bought my Freestyle because I thought it was a pretty good looking car in addition to all its other features. My plan is to keep my Freestyle for 5 or 6 more years. Hopefully all the systems will last that long. I like the look of the Edge. I'm going to check one out next Monday when I go in for recall service. My hope is that there's a hybrid Edge when I buy again.
  • I had to check it out. The Freestyle & Edge are almost identical in price range: 2007 Freestyle MSRP prices range from $25,545 - $30,680 (edmunds.com) across all models, vs. Edge's range of $25,320 - $30,720. Practically the same. (I paid $22,300 for an '05 SE model 1.3 years ago, incidentally, during some good discounting.)
  • Well, it sounds like (Motor Trend, above) that the Freestyle will essentially evolve into the Fairlane (not called the Fairlane, though, when it comes out). Its 3 years away. Who is to say if Motor Trend is sure about this.
  • kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
    Yep, most of the motoring rags are pretty bad when it comes to future model forecasts. Remember the days when it was speculated that the Freestyle would not even make it into 2007? However, the tone of this article appeared to have more weight behind it, and I have to admit that it would be a logical move by Ford.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Freestyle is on the Volvo platform.
    Fairlane or whatever it gets called will not be. it will be on the fusion/edge platform.

    Mark.
  • The "foxrun" person, who works at Ford where they will build the Fairlane, can clarify it (an insider):
    Edge/Fairlane Common Platform
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    The "Fairlane" or D471 will be built on the D3 platform, which was developed by Ford with Volvo's help. It is based on the P2 Volvo platform which uses some aluminum components. The D3 architecture is all steel to make it cheaper to make. The Fusion platform's wheelbase was already stretched 4" to make the Edge (111"). The D3 was already designed for larger wheelbases like the S80 (111"). Stretching it 4" would make the wheelbase of the D471, which would make it longer than all it's competitors, except the GM's Lambda models that have a 118" wheelbase.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    SOLID FOUNDATION

    The Ford Fairlane concept rides on an all-wheel drive version of the company's mid-size CD3 architecture, with fully independent front and rear suspensions. The Fairlane is the first CD3-based people-mover concept, demonstrating the architecture's flexibility next to its production mid-size-sedan cousins – the 2006 Ford Fusion and Lincoln Zephyr.

    This architecture will eventually be the basis for up to ten unique vehicles in North America and approximately 800,000 vehicles annually over time.

    http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1235&press_subsec- tion_id=421&make_id=92

    Mark.
  • arumage,
    Does the Freestyle have the high-boron HSS (high strength steel) of the XC-90? I'm not sure myself, but I don't think the boron made it into the Freestyle, although the safety cage around the passengers does contain a good HSS grade of its own. Do you know what Ford did there?
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    according to safercar.gov, NHTSA rated the Freestyle WITHOUT the then optional side airbags as 5stars in side impact...

    To date, Freestyle/Five Hundred/Montego are the only vehicles rated 5stars that were tested WITHOUT side airbags.

    Now for 07 the side airbags are STANDARD.

    Mark.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I don't think so. From my understanding, the Volvo used the high-boron HSS in the roof and pillars of the XC-90 to make it safer in a rollover situation. The XC-90 sits up quite a bit higher than the Freestyle so it's a bit more of a rollover risk.
  • Talk about roll-over risk. I've seen so many SUVs rolled over its incredible. People who think the rollover risk is nothing should wake up and smell the statistics.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    You personally drive to accident scenes? or are these visions?

    Mark
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,722
    your post brings back some fond memories of a real hammer and tong discussion. that is all i want to say.
  • For those interested in roll-overs, check out http://www.safercar.gov/Rollover/pages/RolloChar.htm

    The Freestyle being a CUV, sits a bit lower than an SUV. Low center of gravity, track width, and suspension affect stablity ratings. It appears that 95% of roll-overs are tripping induced, so stability control would not be a great help. Also, more than 70% of fatalities in rollovers are due to lack of seatbelt use.

    You can see that the Freestyle does well in rollover tests at: http://www.safercar.gov/RollRatings2.cfm?rYear=2006
    :shades:
  • I just read a review of the Ford Edge in the December 06 'Car and Driver'. Very revealing. The AWD Edge weighs 400 lbs. more than the AWD Freestyle, it is wider than the Freebie, and has EPA mileage of 16 city/24 highway. It out-accelerated the Freestyle by one second from 0-60, but was noted to have long stopping distances. It costs $36,500 as tested (nicely outfitted). The Edge has been differentiated from the Freestyle by design and price.

    :shades:
  • northlakes, Edge different on price compared to Freestyle? Edmunds.com shows an identical price spread on the Edge vs. Freestyle.
  • Not sure I fully understand your point, but there is a $10,000 difference in price between the Freestyle and Edge (give or take). If both Car & Driver and Edmunds show the same difference, it confirms that Ford is differentiating the vehicles by price and design. :shades:
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    The Edge pricing I've seen ranges from $26-$36K depending on options, about the same as the Freestyle range.
  • All of this discussion about the Edge and Freestyle typically fails to mention the biggest difference between the two. The Freestyle has an adult sized third row seat and the Edge doesn't. Because this is a requirement for me the Edge isn't even on my radar.

    I still contend the Freestyle is the most practical package for a family needing 6 or 7 passenger seating in a non-minivan platform. Nothing else comes close. I don't understand why Ford isn't selling tons of them other than their "divorcemobile advertising".

    - Chad
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    I agree that the Freestyle and Edge are for different markets. The Edge is definitely more for the sporty and style and mid-sized, while the Freestyle is more for practical and family oriented.

    actually, if you look on the outlook/acadia/enclave forum you'll have a lot of people with different ideas about the freestyle!
  • northlakes, I was looking at the range in prices (MSRP) for all models of Freestyle ($25,545 - $30,680 range) to the Edge with a comparable, almost identical, price range of $25,320 - $30,720. These are prices of each model, and can go up further with more options piled on.
  • I was looking at the AWD SEL models for both. The base price for the AWD SEL Freestyle is $28.4K, but with the two $1000 cash back offers, is currently $26.4K. The AWD SEL Edge base is $29.6K. The $36K price for the AWD SEL Edge was from Car & Driver for a loaded AWD SEL.

    Adding maximum options to the Freestyle SEL could bring the price difference to within $7000 or better, but I noticed that even the same accessories cost 20-40% more for the Edge.

    So, if you just go by base models, the AWD SEL Edge is $1000 more (or $3000 more until Jan. 1, 2007) than the Freestyle AWD SEL. The same accessories cost more for the Edge. There may be some overlap in pricing, but it seems clear to me that the Edge is meant to be more upscale. Its design speaks to its upscale nature.

    So, back to the Freestyle, it is the right vehicle for me and I would not change my choice if the Edge were available two years ago. The C&D test drive added specs and data to the difference between the two. :shades:
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