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Acura RDX vs Mazda CX-7

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  • xgbtxgbt Posts: 28
    Suvsearcher1, while your memory on the 2007 RDX is still fresh, could you go take a test drive of the 2008 model ? Some posts said the ride in the 2008 model is less bouncy and somewhat more comfortable. To me the harsh ride (on less than perfect roads) is one of the major issues holding me back on the RDX... Thanks.
  • Any decision made on the CX-7 vs. RDX dilemma? They're definitely a good match for each other and it says a lot for Mazda to be building cars that can now make people second guess getting a luxury nameplate versus saving money and still driving away with a very good car. I'm just glad ford has done a pretty good job of not designing Mazdas to look as cheap as fords! (more so the interiors...exteriors are getting much better)
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I'm just glad ford has done a pretty good job of not designing Mazdas to look as cheap as fords! (more so the interiors...exteriors are getting much better)

    That is because Mazda is it's own company. They are not just another Ford vehicle. They just have a 33.4% stake in the company.

    We don't say Toyota owns Subaru do we? Yes, Toyota owns a small piece of Subaru, 9% I think, and here in the states, they build vehicles in the same plant.
  • Mazda is clearly not their own company (as you say) when most of their vehicles share platforms with ford vehicles...that's probably just a coincidence, though, and would have nothing to do with Ford having ownership in them.
    Furthermore, Ford even lists Mazda as a parent company on its main page, whereas Subaru is non-existent on Toyota's website...this fact alone obviously doesn't prove the differences between Ford/Mazda and Toyota/Subaru, but helps to show that Ford does have a slight hand in the decision-making of Mazda..i.e Escape/Tribute; Mazda3/S40; CX-9/Edge...the same can't be said for any Toyota/Subaru vehicles.

    ...despite Ford's involvement, my point is that Mazdas are very nice cars mostly because they are distinctively different from any other Ford vehicles (99% of the time).
  • unixxusunixxus Posts: 97
    I'm just glad ford has done a pretty good job of not designing Mazdas to look as cheap as fords!

    Your point was that Ford designs cars for Mazda. Although Ford has a controlling 33.4% stake in Mazda, Mazda designs its own cars. Mazda has design studios in Japan, California, and Germany. Your statement makes it seem like Mazdas are designed by engineers in Dearborn, Michigan. Renault of France has a controlling interest in Nissan, however, I am yet to hear that Nissans and Infinitis are designed by Renault, nor where past Chryslers designed by Mercedes. Ford's stake in Mazda gives it veto power in board room decisions not in the design direction of Mazda vehicles. I seriously doubt that Ford hates itself so bad that they will design better products for Mazda than for itself. The credit to Mazda's design goes to Mazda and not Ford.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    You made the point better then I could. Thank's.

    Just because there is technology sharing does not mean Ford does everything. The Mazda3 is on a Volvo platform, the Fusion is on a Mazda platform, as is the Edge and CX-9 (modified Mazda platform) Ford and Mazda use Volvo's AWD system (made by Haldex).

    Mazda's chief designer is Laurens Van den Acker. Ford's is J Mays.
  • Having driven the cx-7 and 9 within the last week and the RDX today, I would like to comment on the tech side. Having heavily modified my vehicles aftermarket for some time (usually Alpine/McIntosh/JL audio/MB Quart) one of my highest consideration factors is the tech end, as I think OEM has finally reached a point where I can buy a vehicle and be happy with not modifying it. My impressions of the RDX are as follows: There were so many buttons and levers etc. on the steering wheel I had to keep myself from laughing initially, after about an hour in the vehicle I started to get a feel for them and decided that the voice integration was better than what I experienced in the CX-9. (the 7 I tested did not have the tech upgrade, hence the 9 experience)Sound quality was very close, however I am inclined to give the nod to the Bose system in the CX. The RDX definitely gets the lead for system/vehicle information available over the RX,the RX-7 was unable to provide basic current MPG usage (I like to watch that a lot of the time). THe RDX was VERY detailed with the info that could be displayed, from power disbursementto all four tires or tire psi to just about anything you wanted to see about the vehicle systems. The RDX did not have an available integrated rear entertainment system unlike the CX, which means I would have to purchase that aftermarket, so kudos to the RX in that area. All in all, I think the RDX is more technologically advanced than the CX-7 (or 9), and I still need to conduct a few more test drives to be sure, however I think I'm leaning about 2-5% off the center to the RDX. Toghest decision on a vehicle purchase I've faced, to be sure.
  • Test drove both the RDX (MSRP $33,500) and CX-7 ($24,000) recently. Both base cars. No bells and whistles. My sister-in-law purchased the RDX and I purchased the CX-7. Here's my thought; sincerely on neutral ground.

    Ride quality
    Firm, but the CX-7 feels more roomier and suspension is tight like a sports car. The RDX is not as good on handling but ok. A bit soft in my opinion.

    Acceleration
    CX-7 is lagging from 0-to ?? but from 15-to?? feels fast once you reach over 2500 rpm. RDX is smoother when accelerating from a stop. No lag. But clumsy on handling during acceleration.

    Handling
    RDX handles like and Accord not too sporty but ok. A bit wobbly. CX-7 handles like a BMW 3 series. Is like driving with Bilstein shocks. Excellent on handling especially on mountain roads. RDX is a cruiser and the CX-7 is a windy road warrior.

    Seating
    Seating is more up-right in RDX as in most SUV's. Inside CX-7 cushion is sporty and bucket seats wrap around you. The rear seat cushion in CX-7 is low. RDX rear seats has a little more space.

    My personal opinion
    CX-7 has a cool design compared to RDX

    RDX has better quality material used in the car than CX-7

    Gas mpg is comparable 18 mpg/22mpg (city/hwy)

    HP is similar 244hp on CX-7 and 240 on RDX with comparable torque 255lb/ft on CX-7 and 260lb/ft on RDX

    Aftermarket parts CX-7 has CAI for $270 and will increase hp by 9-10hp and not to mention you will here the turbo once you install it. Not sure about RDX.

    Both require 91 octane. But 2008 CX-7 did a reflash on the ECU to just "Recommend" 91 octane instead of "required". Check with dealer on this (not sure yet). Personally, spend extra $0.20/gal, enjoy the turbo and make it last using 91.

    BOTTOM LINE...I got my 2007 CX-7-sport for $19,995 + tax & lic. and my sister-in-law paid $31,800 (no/navi) + tax & lic. That's almost $12k difference. Why not buy another car with that kind of money! You can definitely get a decent car like an 02 Altima or 05 Civic, etc. I got a used 97 Lexus ES300 for $6,500.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I got my 2007 CX-7-sport for $19,995

    How the heck did you manage that? Is it AWD? It has an MSRP of $26,045. Invoice is $24,406. There is $2000 of incentives, that brings you to $22,406. The CX-7's are selling like hot cakes, how did you manage $2,500 UNDER invoice???

    I have been sold out of 2007's for about 2 months, and my 2008's are going fast.
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    "How the heck did you manage that? Is it AWD? It has an MSRP of $26,045. Invoice is $24,406. There is $2000 of incentives, that brings you to $22,406. The CX-7's are selling like hot cakes, how did you manage $2,500 UNDER invoice???

    I have been sold out of 2007's for about 2 months, and my 2008's are going fast."


    Not as unusual as you think. I noticed an ad in the Washington Post yesterday, advertising new 2007 "up to $5000 off". I don't know what model, but I'm assuming they're the base model.

    Vince
  • Alright people, I have never seen replies so far off from the original point. Bringing up other companies such as Toyota, Renault and Chrysler has nothing to do with my point. They have different ownership involvement compared to Ford/Mazda. I am well aware that all of their vehicles aren't the same, but some have been very similar (again, the Tribute is a perfect example). These days, most companies are tied in with another, but how they are involved varies widely. Just because Renault doesn't do anything visible with Nissan/Infiniti doesn't mean that Ford doesn't have a more active involvement with Mazda. They share plenty of platforms and Mazdas do exist that are simply re-badged Fords (or vice versa for the sake of not upsetting anyone again). So, to say that Mazda designs cars completely independent of Ford shows a complete lack of sense. I am not denying that they don't have different design teams, but their design teams obviously have some interaction/coordination with each other, which varies from car to car.

    To re-iterate what has been lost in this babble: The CX-7 is a nice car and is distinct from other Ford-related vehicles.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    They share plenty of platforms and Mazdas do exist that are simply re-badged Fords (or vice versa for the sake of not upsetting anyone again).

    Yes, the Tribute and B-Series pick-up. The B-Series is almost extinct. Also, how much influence does a "platform" really have on a vehicle. Look at the Edge and CX-9. Totally different. There is no comparison.

    The CX-7 is a nice car and is distinct from other Ford-related vehicles.

    I ask you, how is the CX-7 related to other Ford vehicles? The CX-7 shares nothing with any Ford vehicle.
  • Aviboy, normally I agree with you, but...

    A few weeks ago I was rotating the tires on my CX-7, and was surprised to see "FoMoCo" on the front brake calipers. They, at least, are shared with a Ford something, I would think... ;)

    -c92
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    surprised to see "FoMoCo" on the front brake calipers

    Yes, they do, but, just because the calipers are a Ford part, does not mean that the CX-7 is a Ford designed vehicle. Every vehicle made has parts sourced from other companies. Honda and Toyota shared transmissions for years, made by Aisin, as in the CX-7.

    Bottom line, there is no vehicle that is entirely made by that mfgr. The CX-7 was not engineered, or designed by Ford. I believe that would be an accurate statement.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    carlitos92-

    Check out your window sticker, if you still have it, it states "US/Canadian Parts Source 0%"

    Maybe Mazda uses the brake caliper molds to produce the brake caliper, that is why is says "FoMoCo" on it.
  • unixxusunixxus Posts: 97
    Just because Renault doesn't do anything visible with Nissan/Infiniti doesn't mean that Ford doesn't have a more active involvement with Mazda.

    Just because you are not aware of the interactions between Nissan and Renault (parts, platform, and engine sharing to name a few) does not mean there is none.

    but their design teams obviously have some interaction/coordination with each other, which varies from car to car.

    So how do you then attribute the design of the Mazda CX-7 exclusively to Ford as you stated (quoted below). Engineering and parts sharing is not the same as design. I think you have the two confused. Yes Ford and Mazda collaborate on engines, platforms etc, but it gets to a point in the development of a vehicle where each team will have to independently develop the product in order to give the product its respective brand DNA.

    "I'm just glad ford has done a pretty good job of not designing Mazdas to look as cheap as fords! "
  • Yes, just think if Matisse would've signed "Picasso" to some of his paintings only because he borrowed Pablo's brush! ;)
  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    I just hope Mazda is "Matisse" in your analogy ;)
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,950
    There's a Mazda5 pun in there somewhere, but it's best to let that van go. :P
  • pxleakpxleak Posts: 7
    It was hard for me and my wife to decide then what to buy between these two. But what triggered us to get the cx-7 was the back seat and the price difference. We got ours 06 for the 07 model of cx-7. The RDX then was 10k more with the cramp back seat, excellent tech package, nice interior and body quality. Both have 240-244HP and the cx-7 has a touch screen which is more easy to navigate even driving unlike the RDX. The bluetooth and acurate tire monitoring system are also big pluses and heated seats since we live on a snowy state. CX-7 also only alarms you when you get very low PSI reading on the tires. But the real off's for us was the price and cramped back seat. If RDX was the same price as the cx-7 sport w/tech that we had not including tax. Then it would be even harder for us to decide what to get.

    When we looked at the RDX then I asked the sales person about the back seat and he could hardly fit inside. He said you can't get everything and I agree with you on that. Today I placed a TURBO badge from the RDX on my cx-7 works wonders when another CX is on my rear and they be looking WTF! Probably wondering if a new CX-7 turbo model just came out or was it just a decal :)
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