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2008-2009 Chevrolet Malibu

I saw this out on leftlane news. Spy shots with very little camo of the new 2008 Malibu. There is discussion that it will launch early part of next year.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/08/01/spied-2008-chevrolet-malibu-in-detail/
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  • rvothrvoth Posts: 147
    It looks like the new civic , long curved lines with a short truck lid/ 07 camry or mercedes m500 sedan. It's lost it's bold body feel. Very long roof line like dodge is using in there vehicles. Someone a GM'S design department is copying the import design pattern. Too bad :confuse:
  • rvothrvoth Posts: 147
    It looks very much like the new saturn aura. Same 3.6 v-6 DOHC engine, wheel base 114inch, body lines. Aren't they built in the same plant at Fairfax Kansas city. They are going to use a six speed transmission matched with 255 hp they are using in the cadillac cts. Finally something very competitive to do battle with the accord and camry.

    Only a four year run on the certain Malibu before GM has redesigned the car, that has to be a record. Finally GM is trying to keep up with current with consumer demands for their cars instead of just hammering out of date cars like the previous Malibu. I'm truly amazed at GM's effort to stay updated with current automotive trends :surprise: .
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    The 3.6 sounds like an optional high-power engine. I wonder what the gas mileage will be like and if the standard engine will be be so inadequate (crude 4 cylinder with 4-speed automatic etc.) that you feel compelled to upgrade to the 3.6?
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    If they put in the echotec 4 cylinder it's not a crude engine. However they need to add the 6-speed automatic to really make it efficient. Due to the limited availability of the 6-speed, I'm sure the 4-speed will be the base tranny for at least a few years. I hope i'm wrong. I can't wait to see interior photo's of this new car. :)

    Rocky
  • rvothrvoth Posts: 147
    On GM site it posts the CTS cadillac 3.6 liter with the six speed trans gets 21 city,36 hwy and 26 combined. Compared with 07 malibu gets 26/42/31 combined MPG. So they are giving up mileage for horsepower. Mileage is very similar to the 3.9 liter v-6 in the SS Malibu. :)
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Unless that's Canadian mileage, it doesn't make sense.
    The Saturn Aura gets pretty mediocre mileage with that same drive train. Worse than an Impala with standard engine and 4-speed automatic.
    You shouldn't need to be forced to take the 4 cylinder 2008 Malibu if you want over 30 MPG highway on regular gas and US calibrated gallons when an Impala does better than that.
  • rvothrvoth Posts: 147
    Yes that's Canadian mileage from GM CANADA website. ;)
    Oh ya , us Canadians get better mpg because an Imperial gallon is 4.54 liters compared to 3.79 liter for an American gallon. So i go farther on a gallon of fuel.

    A 4 cylinder 2008 malibu would be a dog on power, gutless.Yes the 3.6 liter burns regular gas not premium! Check out what Honda 4 cylinder and V-6 engines get for mileage about the same as the 3.6 liter GM.
  • GM has released a shot of the new Malibu's interior ahead of the NAIAS next month.

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  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Looks OK. The photo is a bad angle and not in a color most people are going to get (tan or gray).
  • It depends on which 4 cylinder as to whether it will be a dog. If its the 2.4 Ecotec at around 170hp, that should make for a better experience. GM must offer a credible 4 cylinder engine package to appease budget conscious shoppers that will often turn to the Japanese offerings. Toyota and Honda 4 cylinders dont make you feel that you stepped down. Their engines are smooth and refined. There is no reason that GM can't deliver a great 4 cylinder experience. They have the know-how, just need to do it. ;)
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    The 170HP 4 cylinder needs premium gas to run properly. The lower 4 cylinder is too underpowered and crude for this size and class of car and the 3.6 liter engine gets worse fuel economy than a base Impala.
    If there isn't a more economical V6 than the 3.6 available, it will be pretty bad.
  • It actually looks better than the Saturn Auras, and doesn't have the Aura's chrome trim (which fits badly and looks cheap in the Auras I've seen).

    Yet a lot of the interior (and exterior windows, etc.) feel like a clone of the Aura - badge engineering lives again!
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    "M must offer a credible 4 cylinder engine package to appease budget conscious shoppers that will often turn to the Japanese offerings. Toyota and Honda 4 cylinders dont make you feel that you stepped down. Their engines are smooth and refined."

    Neither of GM's ecotecs is unrefined. The ecotec was revised when the Cobalt came out in 2004 to run more quietly and by all reports the measures were effective. The Malibu will have the 2.4L that is currently in the G6 making 169hp. The real question is whether or not it will be offered with a 6 speed auto. I would guess it wont be. I am also doubting that the 3.6L will be the uplevel engine due to production contraints. I would think the 3.9L will be coupled with a 6 speed auto.

    I like that interior picture a lot. It looks very good.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Well, if the 4 cylinder was really smooth, ran on regular, they put in loads of sound insulation and it had a 6-speed automatic, it would be something to consider and would be extremely competitive with decent performance, great gas mileage and a quiet highway ride.
    I'm sure it won't happen. They don't have a 5-speed automatic available and they won't use a 6-speed, so that leaves little choice.
    Expect a buzzy 4 cylinder with a cheap 4-speed automatic since they will try to make it a price-leader that most people will find unacceptable and want to upgrade from.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    Its obvious you are clueless in terms of the ecotec. It is not loud or thrashy or anything else like that. It is refined and the press acknowldges it's one of the better four cylinders on the market. Why would the engine get unrefined for the Malibu if it's refined in the Cobalt and G6? That makes no sense. As for mileage, the G6 gest 23/23 with a 4 speed auto so that is likely what you can expect from the 2008 Malibu. Every epsilon based car has a quiet ride and this one will be no exception. Have you bothered to read any reviews of the Aura? The Malibu will be very similar except for styling and powertrain.
  • mr_botsmr_bots Posts: 225
    From spy shots it looks like an Aura with a different front clip, rear clip, and interior. For engines copying the Aura's lineup doesn't sound unbelievable, 2.4 Ecotec base (not a bad engine, but wants premium fuel in it's other applications), 3.5 VVT that's currently in the 07 Malibu as the mid-level engine, and the 3.6 as the top option (if only they could get it up to the 275hp it has in the Lambdas to beat the Camry's V6). Also it doesn't seem to unlikely that the 6-speed will replace the current 4-speed, for example the 08 Vue will have the 6-speed mated to all of it's engines, including the 2.4 Ecotec.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    The ecotec 4 is a Wards top 10, I guess he missed that also. ;)

    Rocky
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    Time will tell, but I suspect that the top Malibu will have a 6 speed and the 3.9L engine due to production constraints. If that happens, expect a 275hp 3.6 to power the SS. I just really doubt the Malibu is going to have the 3.6 in non-SS form partially because there arent many application for the 3.9 Engine and its a new engine. Right now it's only used in the Impala, Malibu SS, minivans and a small percentage of G6 models.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    The 3.9 as large as it is should be putting out at least 265 hp. IMHO. I honestly am not much of a fan of the 3.9 or 3.5 and honestly don't understand why GM, even built them ?

    The ecotec 4 and 3.6 fit the bills just fine. The ecotec can be supercharged, turbocharged, or even as I read Twin-turbocharged, and is a great engine. IMHO, GM needs to make less engines and concentrate on making the ones they like class leading powertrains. ;)

    Rocky
  • I've owned an '04 Malibu LT V-6 (3.5) for a year and a half and am happy with it's performance (200HP) and mileage (EPA 23/32), that I do achieve. The 4-speed automatic does need one more cog for long distance interstate highway driving (over 70MPH), but is fine up to about 75MPH.
    I would expect GM to offer the 3.6L w/6-speed auto only at the top end (LTZ & SS) and maybe not until '09. I'd look for the ecotec 4, 3.5 & 3.9 V-6s from the Impala with the 4-speed auto in '08.
    With the Aura XE's price established, look for '08 Malibu 4 cylinder models under $19K and the V-6's starting just over $20K. I am looking forward to this car as my '04 has been trouble free and the epsilon chassis is rock solid! :)
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    The OHV motors exist because they get decent performance for their displacements and GM does not have enough capacity to build 3.6 V6s for all their passenger cars. On top of that the OHV V6s are cheap to make and thus the majority of GM's midsize cars are sold with V6s instead of fours like the Import competition. GM knows the average Impala owner doesn't care about OHV vs DOHC engines and thus the 3.5 and 3.9 are perfect for that car.

    If GM makes the 3.6 available in the Malibu, it will only be in the top model and the 3.5 V6 will be available. It's what they are doing with the 2008 Vue and what Chrysler is doing with the Sebring. You can bet on seeing the 3.5L in the Malibu. No OHV motor is going to have the same specific output of a DOHC motor so it's silly to say the 3.9 should be making 265hp based on it's size. The 3800 only makes 200hp so the 3.9L is actually doing pretty good for an OHV engine.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It had been discussed earlier when that was a new picture.
  • Next time I'll try not to be helpful. Sorry to have bugged you guys.
  • Nice pic - reminds me a lot of the Aura. Don't let the naysayers bother you. :)
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    It's very similar to the Aura but slightly better IMHO. The extra curves give it a little more character.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I'm not "naysaying." The picture had been posted earlier and not that far back. Maybe just a page or so back and the poster didn't bother looking.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,873
    OK... but it is not THAT big a deal to see it again. Thanks for taking the time to post it, ricardohead.

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  • beedublubeedublu Posts: 236
    Nice...and I really, really, REALLY hope they offer it in these darker color combinations, instead of the crappy gray (that I have in my 04) that constantly looks dirty no matter how hard I try to keep it clean. ;)
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    If you read the press release about the 2008 Malibu I believe it states there will at least three or four different color combinations for the interior including the one shown. You will have more options than just grey.
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