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2008-2009 Chevrolet Malibu

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  • rvothrvoth Posts: 147
    Like 1487 said when you combine the Malibu and Impala they sold 491000 -492000's vehicles in 2005. That's more than accord an acura sedan sales .

    Average price per vehicle for GM's would be Alot less than Honda and Acura's average price ? GM's will last longer than the Rust(Cancer) car's from honda.
  • jntjnt Posts: 316
    GM sales numbers sometime do not paint the complete picture. There are quite a few Impala and Malibu sold to rental and fleet cars (40-50%)to keep the factories humming. They are mostly bare boned cars with little profit. Japanese's share to rental and fleet is substantially lower (<10%)

    I personally want to see GM kicking both Toyota and Honda butts. But reality is a lot different on the ground: They are now losing to Koreans also. Their own Korean made car Chevy Aveo is now losing out to the better Honda Fit.

    Hope that the new Malibu will slow down the downward slide for them. On paper this vehicle is competitive. It looks better than the old one when you see it in person (I saw it in Cobo Hall in Detroit yesterday). But it does not break any ground like the Chrysler 300 did. So overall, (personally) I am disappointed at GM Design for not having the best looking mid size sedan out there for Model Year 2008. If the new concept Accord coupe shown there has any indication for the look of the 08 Accord sedan, GM should be working on the exterior restyle of this new Malibu soon.

    jt
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    That GM is going to offer any engine with any trim package according to Motor Trend ???? That means you can get a LTZ Malibu with the ecotec 4-cylinder engine. ;)

    Just wanted to pint that cool factoid out. :shades:

    Rocky
  • Recent edition of Automobile magazine did a recent short article on the Saturn Aura and did a good job of pointing out its rather crude interior.
    The 08 Mailbu really needs an attractive interior to make it competitive.

    Chevy put in a more reliable engine and better looking front end on the 06 Monte Carlo then took a step backwards by jerking out the earlier Monte's very comfortable seats.

    Malibu's price point crucial, Sacramento Hyundai dealer selling base Azera (which is still loaded) for 20K, desperate Ford dealers cutting Ford Five Hundred base to $16.5K.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    The Malibu nor Impala get 50% of their sales from fleets. Where did you get that info? Malibu sales were down in 2006 primarily because of GM cutting fleet sales. The majority of Impalas I see on the road are LT3s or LTZ identified due to their 17" wheels. Hardly bare bones rental cars by my book.

    The 300 may have broken ground in terms of styling, but its design was ripe for being a fad and that has proven to be true. I dont think the Malibu will be a fad , it has the kinds of looks that will stay fresh for 3 years or more unlike the 300. The 300s sales have been down quite a bit from its heydey a few years back when the look was "fresh".

    The Accord coupe was an improvement over currrent HOnda designs (what isn't?) but it was hardly the showstopper you made it out to be. It was nothing more than a mix between the 3 series and tC coupe. I found it to be rather boxy and derivative. If that is the best Honda can do than I think the Malibu is in good shape. I also dont expect the Accord to be available with a 6 speed auto since the $50k RL doesnt have one.

    GM design did have the best looking '08 at the show, the CTS.

    "They are now losing to Koreans also. "

    What are you basing this on? GMs midsize sedans have more features, performance and style than the Sonata or Optima. The Koreans give you a lot for the money, but thats where their advantage ends.
  • The current Impala's cleaner styling foreshadowed the dramatically sleeker and cleaner styling of the new 2008 Malibu. GM has another winner in the pipeline. I've driven the 2.4 liter Ecotech in an HHR and was very impressed. With the new six-speed automatic the 2.4 liter four should be a great choice, and distinctive. Most Camrys sold are four-cylinder. So far no other manufacturer offers a four with a six-speed automatic. The '08 Malibu promises to offer serious competition to the Camry, Altima, Sonata and Accord. It will hurt Ford even more. The Fusion has some very good mechanical pieces. The Mazda derived 2.3 liter with the five-speed automatic is well balanced in the Fusion. The Fusion's exterior styling is good but the interior is totally uncompetitive with the new Malibu's interior styling and features.
  • I am pleasantly surprised by the new Malibu styling; a more upscale look than the current model. Two things I would want to see in the new model are these: redesign that tacky looking shifter &#150; it looks like something out of a Chevy Cavalier. There is no reason why that concept Malibu has such a hideous shifter. Also, I will never purchase a vehicle which has only partial power seats. Why does GM and Ford offer a drivers seat with both power and manual seat controls? It is the little things that make the sale for me. Side note, I was just in Switzerland and I was amazed by all the station wagons &#150; there seemed to be more wagons than sedans. I looked at the big Opel wagons and was quite impressed. The big Opel would make a great Saturn. Incidentally all the Opels have the Saturn front-end (or should I say that Saturn has the Opel look). If we would sell cars like I saw there then the American manufacturers would rule. I can&#146;t for the life of me figure out why we get all the trash designs here. The Aura and Malibu are steps in the right direction. If Ford would import/build the next generation Mondeo for USA they also would turn their fortunes around. A new Focus was shown at the Detroit Autoshow &#150; another hideous design; the Euro Focus is built on the smaller Volvo platform and they are wonderful cars. Another thing I can&#146;t figure out is why do all the American cars that are sold in Europe has impressive diesel engines (that in most cases run cleaner and quieter than the gas equivalent) but we get the leftovers.

    One last point about GM. Check out the new Austrailian Caprice/Statesmen sedan, it puts our Impala to shame and makes it look like junk. Perhaps the new Malibu will be a welcome change for GM; I truly hope so because I would like to purchase American again. GM make the Malibu a real quality and upscale knockout!! Pleae offer it with a nice looking shifter and a full power seat.
  • jntjnt Posts: 316
    One could get a lot of unbiased Automotive info (from passengers to Heavy duty semis) from the Automotive News. Besides news, this auto industry weekly periodical contains statistics on monthly sales, inventories (what on the dealer lot), and production schedules for each vehicle at any North American plant. In addition, it has complete info on manufacturing incentives (rebates). There is the European version of that also. Lately, they has the China (web based at least)version too.

    I was impressed with with the Impala sales number from year to year until I read the fleet sales number. I will get the numbers for Impala and Malibu fleet sales when I have a chance to look it up again at the local library.

    From the information, you can draw your own conclusion on the health of each car makers.

    If you are interested in GM car sales number alone, you can also go to gm.com and look under investor info section. Just forget about the spin info and go for the hard numbers.

    I was not impressed with the 08 Malibu exterior design. However, 08 CTS is extremely good. I have no doubt that it will do well.

    jt
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    While you are researching fleet sales, make sure you check out the fleet sales for the Korean automakers. everyone is talking about how great Hyundai is doing and how they are getting better than the Big 3 but they are not talking about the huge numbers of fleet sales being racked up by Hyundai.

    I think it's safe to say that the majority of people are impressed with the Malibu's redesign and you are the exception.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    The next Impala due in 2009 will be RWD and based on the same platform as the Austrailan cars. The Pontiac G8 will be imported from Austrailia as soon as this year. GM will be bringing its foreign products here (Astra is coming as well) but you have to remember its much easier to sell great cars in Europe because they can charge a premium price for small and midsize cars over there. In America people expect small cars to be cheap and sparsely equipped. In Europe you can get fully loaded small cars and people will pay well for those cars. If the average GM midsize car had all the equipment available on Euro midsize cars you would have Chevys and Pontiacs costing as much as Acuras. Unfortunately, most buyers are not going to chose a mainstream GM brand over a luxury brand even if the GM cars were packed with navigation, 19" wheels, HIDS, etc. While the features on the Euro GM cars are impressive, I do not like the interior designs of the Opels and Vauxhalls at all. They are very dark, angular and bland. The material quality may be superior to their US counterparts, but the overall designs are too bland for this market. The interior fo the Aura looks much better than the Vectra.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    As I stated above. Have an 05 Maxx and just bought a Kia LS (base car).

    One real advantage to the 'Bu is it has a partial (and useful) power seat. Go up in either car and full power is standard. Most cars at the base end have a big lever on the side of the seat (ala Kia), or two dials to twist (more adjustments but tougher). Putting a partial power seat on a base car is a plus over the competition IMHO.

    I'm sure the LTZ will have full power seating.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    From a distance of a half a block, I thought I saw something which looked like the rear end of a new Malibu. Could this be a test vehicle? I circled around and caught up the car only to find out it was but a Suzuki Verona. Oh well, too many cars starting to look alike these days. The exterior up front may be better on the Malibu compared to the Aura, but the rear of the car is not too exciting. I do like the interior design. That may be the biggest plus for the Malibu vs. say the Aura or G6.

    Anyway, what's a Matador, use to be the question. Now it is the Verona!
    What a rare find; and not bad looking.
    -Loren
  • jntjnt Posts: 316
    These GMDAT (GM Daewoo Automotive Tech.) or Daewoo cloners (Suzuki Verona and the likes) are also called Chevrolets in other markets like EU and Asia. So don't be surprised if you see the name Chevrolet on the same car if travel to Europe. In this country (US), GM only imports one version of GMDAT. It is the Chevy Aveo. Most of Suzuki cars sold in this country now are GMDAT badged vehicles.

    jt
  • I actually saw and was not surprised. Kind of Suzuki with Chevrolet badge. But Fords are much nicer.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    I guess selling 245861 Malibu's in 2005 wouldn't qualify for a successful vehicle. I disagree, it was ninth on the top ten list for most sold vehicles in 2005. Honda sold 369293 Accord's in the same time, is there quailty that much better?
    ------------------------------------------------------------ Also, remember, that the Accord (and Camry) cover TWO price ranges ($17-23K and 23-30K),whereas the Malibu Max's(no pun) at around $24 and then the Impala takes over. When you look at Chevrolet's sales of both models, they sell far more than Toyota or Honda.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Interesting. Must be a mid-west area for sales exclusive. Here on the coast of California, I see few Malibus, unless they are rental cars. Matter of fact, with the New Malibu being such an upgrade to the present, why they are carrying over the name is beyond me. Tell someone you bought a Malibu, and I assume they are thinking you bought a rental or lease return of some sort. The classic 1968 Malibu SS may no longer come to mind. Actually, the New Impala will be one Chevy with the most anticipation. Not to say the FWD Malibu may not prove to be a good car.

    As far as comparisons to the Accord -- The old Malibu to Accord :confuse: no way.
    -Loren
  • come available with a 5-speed manual transmission? That is the 'Bu for '08 that I would choose. The stick shifts generally cost around $1,000 less than the autmatic transmission model, which is good, but that's not why I would want a stick. Ever since I traded an automatic '97 Ford Escort sedan in on a '99 Kia Sephia with a stick I've enjoyed driving 5-speed sticks much more and would want the same on a 2008 Malibu. Who's gone to the '08 Malibu website already and researched this?

    I have several cars on my futures list and two of them are the '08 Malibu(if a manual transmission is offered, if not it's axed from my list)and the 2007 Kia Optima base model like csandste's, except I would go with the stick. I know that with new college grad discounts and loyalty rebates, etc., whatever other discount I could find, including just offering less than sticker, I could pop my fanny into a '07 5-speed Kia Optima base model(BTW, the Optima offers a lot of feature content on it's base model)in Ruby Red shiny paint for around $14,500 to $15,000 plus T&L. For the amount of midsize car I would get that deal is pert-near unbeatable. Oh, the HyunKia Long-Haul Warranty? It works and Kia will stand behind it. Just don't look to burn them, they'll want documentation of maintenance records, etc. I know I'll get a good rig with a Kia. I've bought two new ones in a row and the Optima is getting great marks for safety and quality.

    Who of you think that a nearby Chevy dealer would offer an '08 'Bu(if 5-speed manual tranny is built)for anywhere near $14 or $15,000 grand? Tell ya what, this is the first new Chevy I've liked since I've mildly looked at Aveo's. The Malibu I'm considering taking a second look and maybe even taking a fun test drive in one.

    I think Chevy's done a great job on the front of the 2008 Malibu and the rear is OK, but not ugly by any means and no deal killer. In fact, it brings up visions of Mitsu Diamante's from the early 2000's from back there. That's not a negatory, really. Just different. Different is not bad, not by any stretch.

    I've got two main questions about the '08 'Bu I need answered. How much will the 4 cyl cost and will Chev offer a 5-speed stick shift with it. Some of you's may already know the answer to at least one of these burning questions. :D

    I'm guessing $17,995 for a base model '08 Malibu with automatic transmission. If Chev offered a 5-speed manual transmission base model for $16,999 I'd perk up my ears a tad. :shades: This new 'Bu is a looker!

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • e2helpere2helper Posts: 1,002
  • offered on the 2008 Chevy Malibu at all. :cry:

    Enjoy your 'Bu's if you get 'em, that eliminates me from the competition.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    No demand, no surprise. Why add it?
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