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2008-2009 Chevrolet Malibu

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  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    GM has released a front end pic of the Malibu. There is another full view pic on various sites like leftlanenews.com. Looks very good, kind of like a smaller Lucerne but more aggressive.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    At least it "looks" better than the current Malibu appearance-wise.
  • GM has a good theme going here. Maybe the next gen Pontiac G6 will draw some of Aura & '08 Malibu styling cues. I'm really looking forward to seeing the new Malibu in person.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I wonder what are the chances that stability control will be available as an option the first year and if it will have any unique features for the class available such as heated washer fluid?
    Even Bluetooth. Bluetooth costs have dropped low enough that it isn't only for high-end cars anymore. Even the new Nissan Sentra has it available. GM and Ford do seem very slow to adopt Bluetooth in any of their vehicles though, so I won't expect it.
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    GM probably will not add bluetooth as long as they have Onstar......the cell system with On Star is now compatible with the verizon network.....and you can simply share your minutes with your verizon phone and the OnStar line together
  • rvothrvoth Posts: 147
    The new photos from the front looks like the G35 ,especial how the hood curves in the front,no sharp corners. Sweet look GM ,please have stability control as an option.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    GM probably will not add bluetooth as long as they have Onstar......the cell system with On Star is now compatible with the verizon network.....and you can simply share your minutes with your verizon phone and the OnStar line together

    What if you don't have a Verizon phone? The beauty of Bluetooth is that it is network independent. Any Bluetooth equipped phone can work with any Bluetooth equipped car.

    If GM does not offer Bluetooth it simply shows how shortsighted and misguided they really are. I bet GM's affiliation with OnStar will also prevent the Malibu from being offered with a built-in satellite navigation system that is optional on most of the competitors, instead relying on a "turn-by-turn" mapless voice guidance system that OnStar is now promoting. :(
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    dont disagree with you...you can get built in navigation systems on some GM cars now... that isnt tied to OnStar.......
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    you can get built in navigation systems on some GM cars now... that isn't tied to OnStar.......

    I know. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that the Silverado/Sierra pickup trucks can be ordered with a built in navigation system.

    My concern is that GM will prevent this technology from trickling down to their bread-and-butter passenger car offerings. You can get satellite navigation in a Honda Civic and Mazda3, but not in a Chevy Cobalt. Satnav is available in the Accord, Camry, Altima, and Mazda6, but not yet in the Malibu. I'm hoping GM will change this, but I highly doubt it.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    I dont think this car will have bluetooth and I fail to see why that is a big deal. First of all not everyone has a bluetooth phone, secondly many people that do have one use their wireless headsets whethere they are walking or driving so I dont see the big advantage of using your car as a phone.

    I wish GM would offer nav in more cars, but the bottom line is most midsize sedans are not sold with nav. I rarely see an Accord or Camry with navigation. Most people arent willing to shell out $2k for a nav system, especially with aftermarket options being so much cheaper. You are basically paying that money so you can have a nice 6.5" screen in your car because the average driver isnt going to need the mapping function more than a few times a year. GM isnt losing many sales by not offering nav just as Honda and Toyota arent getting sales because they offer it.

    I'm sure this car will have stability. It may even be standard because my understanding is that the '08 Aura will have it standard. Remember, all GM vehicles will have it standard by 2010 MY.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    I dont think this car will have bluetooth and I fail to see why that is a big deal.

    Bluetooth is a big deal because it could represent yet another piece of newer technology offered by GM's competitors that isn't available on a mainstream GM vehicle. What's so hard to understand about perception and image? What harm is it for GM to at least make these technologies optional in their car lines. Satellite navigation has been developed for the new Silverado, so it already exists in the parts bin.

    If you don't want Bluetooth or sat nav, don't buy it. But don't let GM force the issue by not even allowing these items to be available for people who want them. It just strengthens the image that GM is behind the times and is offering vehicles that are 2-3 years behind the competition.
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    I would argue that most people buying a GM car..sans cadillac probably arent concerned about bluetooth or nav compatiable cars to begin with....I would say you average chevy or pontiac buyer isnt worried long cell phone conversations to conduct personal or business matters....but would rather have a quality car at a fair price....just my 2 cents
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    Haven't you heard? The average Chevy or Pontiac buyer is on the verge of extinction. The imports are coming on strong in the mid-size sedan category and GM is still playing catch-up.

    The 2008 Malibu finally fixes the styling disaster of the current car, yet it would seem to lag woefully behind the competition when it comes to pushing the technology envelope. The average Chevy or Pontiac buyer is a dying breed, so how can you attract new buyers if you are not competitive?

    Sorry for the rant, but reading articles about Toyota overtaking Ford in sales by January to become No. 2 automaker in the country should put the fear of God in GM's management. GM needs to be aggressive and not content to continue to lose market share. We need to see "WOW!" from GM, not "Oh look, it's a new Malibu. Yawn."
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    but you need to look across the product line for GM as well, not just the new malibu......pontiac G6 and Solstice (pontiac as almost completely revamped their entire line), Chevy Silverado, Tahoe, HHR, Buick Enclave and the Lacrosse/Lucerne, and the Saturn Sky and Aura....are all turning heads and making things interesting in the domestic market....

    you look at the mid size category and that has always been Camry and Accord territory.......consumer reports just pointed out that Ford/LM fusion/milan did better in their quality survey than those two models

    "In its newly released 2006 Annual Car Reliability Survey, Consumer Reports discovered that the Fusion and Milan actually scored higher in predicted reliability than the Honda Accord V6 and Toyota Camry V6. The Zephyr also did will in the upscale cars category, scoring slightly behind the Lexus ES350. Other domestic models did well too, including the Buick Lucerne and Cadillac DTS, both of which were above average in predicted reliability. "

    yes the Hondas and Toyotas of the world still have a lead...but its not as big as it once was..nor is their quality....or is it that GM and the other domestic auto makers are finally catching up.....GMs biggest problem is perception and trying to win back buyers....from the early 80s and 90s......when their products and reliability were certainly in question......

    What I would like to see GM do..make chevy the everyday family brand, Pontiac....the muscle car brand..all RWD....Buick..fold into the Cadillac brand for the upscale buyer, and Saturn......make it the small car division....GMC...the truck division...wonder what they would say to that...

    no rant...just spirited debate....
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    You are totally clueless in regards to GM's products or the potential "extinction" of it's buyers. Chevy is the #1 selling brand (not Toyota) so it is silly to say they are running out of buyers. Maybe you could say that about Mitsubishi or VW, but not Chevy. You can twist that fact any way you please but there is no getting around Chevy being #1.

    To say that the Malibu is woefully behind the competition becaue it doesnt offer ONE feature that is OPTIONAL on SOME of its competitors is very simplistic. How many of the Malibu's competitors have Onstar? People like you talk about GM being behind on technology but fail to mention technology that GM vehicles offer. Bluetooth is "critical" to you and I assume you will dismiss Onstar as a gimmick that you have no use for. Typical mentality of a GM basher. Bluetooth is a handy, single function feature that a certain segment of the population wants. Few people are going to make their car buying decision based on this. Any person who has been buying Toyotas for 20 years and has not faith in domestic vehicles is not going to run to the Chevy dealer just because a Malibu has bluetooth. It's going to take a lot more than that. Besides, as I already noted most import sedans in this price range do not have this feature because its usually bundled with other expensive options like navigation.

    If I had to chose between Onstar and bluetooth, I would take Onstar any day. Besides, I think it's a little ealry to be calling the Malibu low tech when we havent even seen the specs yet. Considering its going to have a 6 speed auto, Onstar, stability control, remote start, XM radio, etc. I'm not sure I would deem it behind the times just yet. Maybe if you actually wait until you know something about the car you will be able to do more than "yawn" at the thought of the new Malibu. Interestingly enough "yawn" is just what comes to my mind when I think of cars like the Accord, Camry and Sonata.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    You are totally clueless in regards to GM's products or the potential "extinction" of it's buyers. Chevy is the #1 selling brand (not Toyota) so it is silly to say they are running out of buyers. Maybe you could say that about Mitsubishi or VW, but not Chevy. You can twist that fact any way you please but there is no getting around Chevy being #1.

    OK, maybe extinction is too harsh. But there is no denying the fact that sales for the Chevrolet division are down 8.9% year to date compared to last year, while sales for the Toyota division are up 13.4% for the same time period. Why can't Chevrolet grow? Why is GM losing ground to the imports?

    To say that the Malibu is woefully behind the competition because it doesn't offer ONE feature that is OPTIONAL on SOME of its competitors is very simplistic.

    I never said it was because of ONE feature. It is the ongoing perception that GM is not competitive. How many import sellers offer an old-tech pushrod V6 in their mainstream mid-size sedan today? None that I can think of. Why is GM still building 4-speed automatics when its competitors are selling 5-speed autos or CVT transmissions? Why can't you get satellite navigation in a Malibu today when you can in an Accord/Camry/Altima/Mazda6? Want dual-zone automatic climate control in a G6 or Malibu? Nope, can't have it. But you can get it in several of the import sedans. Are you getting a clue as to why GM is losing sales and the imports are gaining?

    Any person who has been buying Toyotas for 20 years and has not faith in domestic vehicles is not going to run to the Chevy dealer just because a Malibu has bluetooth. It's going to take a lot more than that. Besides, as I already noted most import sedans in this price range do not have this feature because its usually bundled with other expensive options like navigation.

    You may want to tell Nissan that they are not allowed to offer Bluetooth in the Sentra and Versa, because they are doing it now. Also, Bluetooth is available in the 2007 Altima without getting satellite navigation. Last I checked, the Versa was Nissan's entry-level offering. Imagine being able to get Bluetooth in the Cobalt. Never mind, it's GM we are talking about.

    See where I'm going with this? I'm not a GM basher, I want them to succeed. Yes, offering OnStar and remote start is a great way to differentiate GM from other car makers. But GM also needs to be competitive in other areas as well. I said I liked the styling of the 2008 Malibu...it's WAY better than the current offering. But it makes the current Malibu look so much more outdated. The problem is GM will be selling the current Malibu for at least another 6 months. How many more sales will be lost because of this?
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It should be available on more cars. It has become cheap enough now that some of their low-end "free" phones that cell providers give away with a contract now have the Bluetooth feature.
    OnStar is not a substitute if you have to sign up for Verizon serice plus also pay the OnStar monthly fee.
    The fact that it is showing up on cars as low-end as the Versa and Sentra prove this point.
  • <<But it makes the current Malibu look so much more outdated. The problem is GM will be selling the current Malibu for at least another 6 months. How many more sales will be lost because of this? >>

    But most of them go to fleets anyway or at discount price so I do not see problem here.

    The real problem is will they offer numb electric steering and outdated powertrain in new Malubi?
  • npgmbrnpgmbr Posts: 248
    Is stability control really that big a deal in a sedan? Personally I don't think so. Never in any of the 3 autos that I've owned (with the exception of my Tracker) have I had a fear of rollingover. I mean what are the true chances of rolling over in a sedan?......granted your chances of that happening are considerably higher in a Van or SUV. But it all depends on how you react in a dangerous situation. People prone to jerk the wheel to avoid hitting something should not purchase a Van or SUV.
  • npgmbrnpgmbr Posts: 248
    I have to agree with you there. GMs problem is that its loosing customers but it still outsells Toyota and Honda (for now). I always thought that the Cobalt didn't sell well because I don't see many of them on the road here in Metro DC. But on a Christmas road trip to Cannonsburg, PA I could not belive how many Cobalts I saw on the 4hour trip up and at Cannonsburg. I was truly surprised at how many I saw and wondered if they sold that well in other parts of the country. Then I realized that I wouldn't see many Cobalts in Metro DC or LA, Miami or NYC. The people in these parts of the country buy Caddy's, Beamers, Infinitis, Acuras, and so on.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    Without getting into the specifics of Chevy's sales I suspect their sales are down due to a decrease in SUV sales and the fact that they have cut fleet sales across the board. The question is, will they be able to outsell Toyota this year? As far as I know the answer is yes. GM is not losing ground this year, it's share has been up or down slightly depending on which quarter you examine. Overall GM is doing no worse than last year in terms of market share and they are doing it with far less discounts. With the Malibu and 2007 Silverado Chevy is likely to have an increase in sales next year.

    The 2008 Malibu SHOULD make the old car look old. That is the point. Nissan decided to make the new Altima so evolutionary that most people wont even notice it's all new. If you want people to rush out an buy your new model you have to make it worth trading in their old models. I can see that happening with the Malibu, but not the Altima.

    The Fusion, Sonata, Galant and 6 lack dual zone auto climate control. Only the Accord, Passat and Camry have it but you cant get it on the Camry SE for some stupid reason. Want dual zone on a 6 or Sonata even though they are imports? Nope, cant have it.

    GM is finally phasing out 4 speeds in mainstream cars. The G6/Aura already have 6 speeds and the Malibu will as well. The Vue will also have one. 4 speeds are older technology but the differences in mileage between a 4 speed and 5 speed are minimal. Compare the mileage of the Aura/G6/Malibu with the 3.5L engine to the Accord or Sonata or Fusion (6 speed) and you will see virtually no difference. As for pushrods, you need to look into that a little more. GM's newest pushrods have VVT while the Fusion, 6 and Sebring do not. Pushrod tech is no older than OHC technology, it's just mechanically simpler. OHV engines are trusted to run trucks, SUVs, sports cars and the 300C so I dont see why they cant be used. As far as I know the Japanese never made pushrod engines in america which is why they dont have them to this day, it's not like they made them and then "upgraded" to OHC layouts because they deemed OHV inferior.

    Bluetooth is available on the Altima as part of an expensive package. Navigation isnt required, but another package with tons of unrelated features. Bottom line, on an Altima V6 you have to spend $30k to get bluetoooth which means 90% of Altimas will not have it. Does the Accord have bluetooth? Passat?
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    a 4 speed will be offered in the Malibu. The electric steering will most likely be offered on the 4 cylinder and hybrid models but not the V6 models. The G6 has dropped electric steering on V6 models and the Aura doesnt even offer it.

    You can call the Malibu's likely powertrains outdated but all that matters is performance. The g6 has a four cylinder combined with a 4 speed with I suppose you would call outdated but it still gets 23/33 which is better than many cars, including the Fusion with a 5 speed.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    Will the new Malibu change GM's fortunes? It will help, but GM still has a long way to go.

    Detroit News article

    Quote: "The biggest challenge GM faces is that more and more people, especially the young, are excluding us from their consideration list," the study said.

    Hence my desire to see GM become more proactive when it comes to embracing newer technologies like Bluetooth. I am hoping that Chevy makes the 2008 Malibu a showcase for forward thinking that will draw more people into the showrooms.
  • "You can call the Malibu's likely powertrains outdated but all that matters is performance."

    It more perceptions than facts. GMs new OHV engines with VVT are pretty well engineered - fuel effective and smooth. I drove some time ago rental Pontiac GP with OHV and could not figure out what engine was under the hood. But I did not try to race it though. You probably will notice trying to rev it up. But for Pontiac being sport sedan company it is essencial to have latest technologies under the hood. For Chevy may be it is not so important.

    Electric steering can be done right, but GM needs to put more engineering effort to improve it.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    GM has done electric steering right on the Cobalt SS s/c coupe. That car's steering has been lauded but I suspect that some of the changes that were made negate the fuel economy advantages of electric steering. I dont think the feature is going anywhere so I look for them to refine it in the future.

    MT has a clear pic of the Malibu in the February issue. They said the engines are 2.4L and 3.6L so I guess no OHV engine will be offered. They like the styling a lot and said this car is worthy of being called Malibu.

    as for Pontiac, the have a direct injection turbo four that crushes the audi 2L turbo. I would call that technology. The G6 has a DOHC V6 and 6 speed auto, sounds pretty up to date to me.
  • You mean a picture different to that which was shown to us a few days ago?

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  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    Yes, a couple weeks ago a photo was leaked showing a dark grey Malibu and MT has a clear version of that same pic. The car looks very good indeed and they noted that. apparently the picture that leaked out was the standard photo given to the magazines.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    The Aura is the "Cam" beater while the Malibu is the "Cord" beater. :blush:

    Rocky
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    The styling looks good enough to not be the unfortunate problem it is with the current Malibu. However, they are playing a lot of games with lighting. I'd like to see how it looks with flat lighting and no PhotoShop highlights and lowlights.
    Can't tell if it has a footrest/dead pedal for driver's left foot to rest at a comfortable angle on long drives.
    Now, we have to see what kind of features and specifications it has or lacks compared to the competition.
    Engines, transmissions, pricing, fuel economy, crash test safety, comfort, ride and handling etc..
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