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  • peppe1peppe1 Posts: 54
    Just rotated my tires at 8000 miles.(P26570R17) didn't realize the size and weight of the wheels. Almost need jack stands to make it easier, used a 2-ton floor jack. Could only imagine doing it on the side of the road with the jack provided!!
  • themanxthemanx Posts: 110
    I have the 20's on my 02 QWC, I bet they are fun
    to change!

    I installed the spare tire lock from Mopar. Not too bad to lower the spare down and raise up. I bet changing a tire out would wear one out on a hot summer day!

    Still only getting 13.8 mpg, 20's, 3.92 rear end, 4 speed auto and 4.7L motor.. tell me it get's better with only 1800 miles on the speedo!
  • I've had this problem, as have many, according to my mechanic. The dodge engines from this era blow their engine intake manifold plenum pan gasket. Expect to pay up to $1000 for the repair, if your vehicle is out of warranty. Please see http://dodgeram.org/tech/tsb/2000/09-05-00.htm for an explanation. My Dodge is only 3 years old and has 50,000 miles, but I suspect the problem has been around awhile.
  • dmetsgardmetsgar Posts: 1
    I have a 2002 Dodge Ram 3500 with Cummins diesel and the 6 speed manual transmission. I am having a problem with the engine "loping". When you pull up to a red light or a stop sign the engine "lopes". The dealer tells me this isa a common problem but Dodge has not come up with a solution to the problem. Any information will be greatly appreciated.
  • To you guys complaining about the pinging and the dealer pcm flash...You guys REALLY need to go to moparchat.com for a lot of info on this.Your truck will be seriously down on power when you get it back.They are flashing the computer to retard timing and it KILLS the power.You will be searching for another pcm shortly according to these guys.Check it out.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    These are my comparative impressions.

    I had the rental 2001 Ford XLT Super Crew (8037 miles) the weekend of Friday, 21 June and the 2002 RAM SLT Quad Cab (3391 miles) this past weekend. Both were used to haul a 650 lb ATV and other equipment. With two people I estimate the total weight to be approximately 1200 pounds. My companion and I took turns behind the wheel of both trucks for the 135 mile trip from Rochester to Painted Post, New York, and we each had a ride in the back seat for a stretch.

    Of course, ride is purely a subjective thing. The F150 Super Crew rides and handles very well, in my opinion. The front seats are very comfortable as are the rear seats. Although the suspension is fairly compliant, twice I managed to bump my head on the back window sitting in the rear seat. Much to my surprise (since I had read somewhere on the Dodge Quad posts someone making a big deal out of the Dodge not having them), this Super Crew did not have rear seat head rests either. The F150 wallowed at times on dips and on unmaintained seasonal roads the ride could become bumpy and booming. On interstate roads and ones with severe crowns there were times the F150 seemed to require more course correction. There was also slight body shake on certain pavement undulations. I had not noticed this just driving it around town unloaded. This might have been because of the ATV in back and higher interstate speeds.

    In comparison the RAM seemed a little more taunt and the handling was definitely crisp, much more car like and less fatiguing. The seats seem firmer than the Ford, although still very comfortable. I would've liked a little more side bolster support. From the driver's position the cabin seems larger and more airy. My 8 and 11-year-olds liked the rear seat in the Ram better because they said they had better visibility. I was really impressed with how well the RAM goes straight down the road. Wind and tractor-trailer gusts seemed to have no effect on stability. Cornering was flat. Around town the RAM was noticeably more nimble. Excellent brakes, also.

    This F150 was somewhat noisy, especially at highway speeds. It had a number of interior creaks and rattles, tire and wind noise, and especially much more engine noise. There were popping and snapping noises coming from the suspension somewhere that reminded me of a loose shock. When going slow on some of the seasonal roads near my property, we heard loud squeaking noises from underneath the vehicle.

    The RAM was solid. It felt like the frame was made of reinforced concrete and this is easily the most solid truck I've driven in my life. Even with the ATV in the bed there was not one hint of frame flex, no wiggling, shaking or vibration. The RAM was definitely more controlled on rough country back roads and handled like it was glued to the road surface. The RAM was about as quiet as a vehicle can get with very little engine and road noise. Not one errant interior rattle or squeak.

    I was really disappointed in the loaded performance of the 5.4 Ford engine. The added weight has a noticeable impact on performance. On hills the engine developed moderate pinging unless given some throttle and on some steeper grades the transmission hunted back and forth and downshifted quite erratically. Under load you could tell that more throttle was being required because of the increased engine noise. Under certain conditions the engine would drone and produce a resonant frequency that could be felt through the body.

    The RAM really surprised me. With all the talk of the 4.7 being "under powered," when the RAM was loaded it seemed to have less effect on initial launches from a stopped position than the 5.4 Ford. On some of the steep hills the RAM shifted down but never once hunted for a gear. Once it downshifted it stayed in gear until ready for the next upshift. There were a number of hills that a downshift never occurred using the cruise control despite the load. I would say that the Ram may have actually downshifted less than the 5.4 liter Ford did under the same conditions.

    The F150 fuel mileage for 511 miles was 14.9 MPG. The RAMs fuel mileage for 542 miles was 14.6.

    On the F150 the upper hinge on the driver's door was worn to the point that the door striker was showing obvious signs of wear from the droop. There was noticeable brake pulsation after long drives, and harsh driveline clunk when warmed. The pinion seal was leaking on the rear differential. There was a significant amount of orange peel in the paint on the box sides and lower parts of the tailgate, and paint was coming off of the leading edge of the box just behind the doors and one spot on the hood. This is the sixth F150 I've noticed sub-par paint. For some reason the radio was inoperative.

    The RAM's assembly quality was flawless and despite obvious signs of use, the paint was near showroom.

    Dusty
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    interesting report dusty...i presume the trucks were both 2wd? interestingly enough my truck does not have any of the problems that you noted with your s-crew (mine is a 4x4)...except for an occasional thunk at stop or taking off from a stop. my paint is perfect, but i will say that the '01 s-crew i had previous to my '02 did have alot of paint flaws. as for paint on the dodges, quite a few guys over at pickuptruck.com are saying that they are finding the dodge's paint very brittle...easily scratches, etc.

    check it out at www.pickuptruck.com under dodge...
  • jkulp42757jkulp42757 Posts: 83
    Perhaps some have already seen these...but here are pics of the 2002 Ram crash tests.


    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0128.htm#4


    I'm not one for bashing other trucks, but I wouldn't want to be in the Ford F-150, check out these pictures!


    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0110.htm

  • bowhuntwibowhuntwi Posts: 262
    Is an extended cab model, not the SCrew with the added pillar, that crash test is like comparing apples and oranges. As for comparing a 01 against the 02 dodge, why not compare 02s with the same equipment and maintenance, from what I read, they were both rentals and the ford had a couple of more years of abuse. I'm not saying one is better then the other. But when it comes time to trade, the history says ford will have a higher value, I have yet to see a dodge hold it's value.

    I have just turned my 02 Screw XLT 4x4 over 15000 with no warranty work except to reapply a bubbled pin strip. Averaging 17-18mpg highway.
  • sawdinsawdin Posts: 5
    I'm looking at buying a used '99 Ram 1500 SLT Larmamie with the 5.2L and automatic w/OD. It came with the factory towing package. Will that engine be able to handle a two-horse straight pull trailer (5500lbs)? The horsepower for that engine is only 250 but the torque is listed as 300 @3200 RPM. It would seem like it has the torque to do it..just not at highway speeds!

    TIA for any and all suggestions,

    Dino
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    ......in the two trucks was only one year and 4,646 miles. I might add that from the appearance of these two rental units, the Dodge probably had more real truck use since the box was fairly scarred up when I picked it up. The Ford had seen some use, but nowhere near the same level. The Ford had only a little more than 8000 miles on it, hardly time to "abuse" such a well engineered, quality assembled vehicle. It is impossible to judge how either vehicle had been driven or used, but that of course works both ways.

    My purpose, by the way, was to get a reading on the two vehicles I'm considering after they have some miles on them. I would have liked to get a Dodge with more miles, but this was one of only two RAM QC available in the Rochester area, and I had to get on a waiting list for the date I needed. There were no 2002 SuperCrews available through my rental company in this area.

    I had five SuperCrews to select from, this one the only 5.4 that was available in my time frame.

    The comment about resale value is circumstantial at best. When I ran comparably equiped Ford and Dodge full size trucks through the Kelly Blue Book On-Line site, I got 11,330 and 11,025 respectively, a difference of $325 in favor of the Ford.

    Since I don't know what the comparable initial list price is, the Ford could've been more expensive thereby washing that $325 or at least reducing it to something less. For people like me that keep a vehicle ten years or more, the difference of resale value at the end of term is almost a ridiculous notion anyways.

    Then there's the "average actual price paid." From what I know and have been told, the Dodge is usually discounted more (you know, because nobody wants them). If this is true then the average actual price paid could be lower for the Dodge thus making the Ford-Dodge differential even less. This, too, is circumstantial since any one initial purchaser may pay more or less than somebody else.

    Then there's the "local market prevails." I checked the dealer ads tonight and the Auto Trader. I found only a couple of really direct comparisons, but it looks like Dodge resale values are higher around here, at least judging from the asking price. Then there's market flood. Try to get a decent trade-in price on a Ford Explorer around here. And there are a lot of F150s around, too.

    One more thing. If the Kelly-quoted $325 over a Dodge is impressive to a Ford guy, then how do they feel about the Chevy being $1870 more in resale value then the Ford?

    Dusty
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    dusty, have you been over to pickuptruck.com? overall i'd say those guys seem fairly satisfied with their new dodge's, except for some paint and front end alignment problems there haven't been too many negative posts.

    as for resale, chryslers in general aren't real good, but i think that will gradually change over time...especially with the permanent 7/70 warranty now in effect.

    i've always liked dodge, but until they develop a decent sized crew cab that can also fit adults in back in comfort, i won't switch.

    and frankly when i test drove a new '02 last fall, i was underwhelmed and saw little reason to trade...
  • twinscrewtwinscrew Posts: 53
    I drive an 02 quad ram 4x4 and wife drives an 02 2wd s'crew. My Dodge has close to 30K miles of hard use. No problems other than tires. Those 17 inchers aren't cheap.

    My truck seems to ride more smooth and is more stable than wife's s'crew. I don't like the rear instability that her truck has. If you make a quick lane change, the rear end seems to still be loose after the front has stabilized. I know there is a technical term for that but I can't come up with it. I even took her truck out to the farm and lifted the rear off the ground to make sure something wasn't loose or missing. I bet a little tighter shock valving would help, but that would make the ride even rougher. Neighbor has a Ford similar to wife's and he runs his tire pressure at 30 psi to smooth out the ride. I bet a quick steering correction at speed in his truck could get interesting.

    My 3/4 grown teenagers do like the back seat of her truck better than mine. I value the extra room in the bed more than their comfort. I don't haul them around very much anyway. Family trips are done in the Ford.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    for those of you interested...the '03 heavy duties are now in production...here is a cut and paste from daimler media...

    First Edition Dodge 2003 Heavy Duty Ram 2500 Built in Mexico
    Auburn Hills, 07/19/2002 - The first edition of Dodge’s 2003 Heavy Duty Ram 2500 rolled off the assembly line in Saltillo, Mexico, last Friday. In a ceremony Plant Manager Alberto Gonzalez complimented the staff and the Jeep® and Truck Engineering team on a job well-done and challenged the plant staff to work for a number- one J.D. Power ranking. Production of the powerful new 5.7-liter Hemi® engine, which powers many of the big Ram 2500 trucks, was recently launched at the Saltillo Engine Plant complex.
  • b360b360 Posts: 6
    Re: sawdin...last year I towed a 24 ft deck boat 600mi round trip with no ill effects. 318 v8 auto 3.55 gear, NO towing package!
  • alexleebralexleebr Posts: 4
    This may seem like a silly question, but I'm just paranoid about dealers trying to pull one over on me. I'm looking at a 2002 Quad SLT and wanted to add the tow package. According to the dealer, this is something that they do there at the dealership. I can see possibly the tranny cooler being done there, but seems like to me something like anti-slip should be something factory installed. Thanks for your help.
  • I have always had a Chevy until last week when I decided to buy a new Dodge. I couldn't resist the 20 inch wheels. It has a trailer/tow package and the 3.73 gear ratio. I was a little leary because I have just never been a Dodge fan, but the looks and features won me over. Right off, I had to tow a 25 foot pontoon boat with it and it pegged out at 62mph going on a very slight incline. I had the peddle to the floor and couldn't get any more juice. I couldn't believe it. The 5.9 litre motor didn't have near the power my 5.3 01 Chevy had. On top of that, when I stopped to get gas, it was only getting 7.5mpg with the boat behind it. I'm sick. I called the dealer after only having it for three days and they wouldn't let me bring it back. Can anyone offer any info on here that might help me get some confidence back in this truck? Any input would be helpful. Is there a chip available to increase power and/or mileage? Thanks Tyfusleroy
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    A couple of observations.

    First, you only had the vehicle three days and in that time you couldn't have put too many miles on it. Although the owners manual may not proscribe against it, asking a new vehicle that's not broken in yet to match something that had 30, 40 or 50K on it is not a fair comparison, both in performance and fuel consumption.

    Second, you might be surprised what the actual final drive ratio is with the 3.73 axle and 20-inch tires. Without doing the math I'd say your actual final ratio is lower than your previous truck.

    You didn't state what the combined trailer and boat weight was.

    You didn't state what configuration your previous truck was, other than it had the 5.3 motor. Was it a 4x4? Automatic? What axle ratio and tire size?

    I occasionally drive a 2-wheel drive Silverado with the 5.3 motor. I think they're more than adequate, but I know it hasn't the torque or power of the 5.9 Dodge.

    I'd give it some miles and recheck it again. I suspect you'll see a difference once it get broken in.

    Good luck,
    Dusty
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    actually i'm pretty sure the 5.3 chevy has more horsepower (around 285) than the 5.9l (245) but slightly less torque (325 lb/ft) vs 5.9l (345 lb/ft). from what i've read the 5.3l chevy is a damn decent motor...and consistently outdoes the competition from ford (5.4l) and dodge (5.9l) in comparison tests. hopefully the new hemi will eclipse both the 5.3l and 6.0l chevies in towing, acceleration and overall driveability and refinement.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Won't challenge the HP specs, but the Silverado I drive during hunting season doesn't seem any stronger than any 5.9 Dodge I've driven.

    Maybe it's my "seat-of-the-pants" feel that's off!

    Dusty
  • peppe1peppe1 Posts: 54
    The tow package does not include the limited slip rear end. So you are right that option should be done at the factory. The only thing the dealer will do is bolt on the hitch to the bumper and add a wiring harness. From the factory the same hitch is welded to the bumper mounts. The Tranny cooler is the same with or without the tow package. A bigger battery is also an upgrade with the tow package
  • pushplaypushplay Posts: 52
    As many of you already know the 02 Ram is by far the best half-ton truck on the planet. The Ford and Chevy may have more optional rear cab room, but that is all they have. This is the best engineered, built and assembled truck I have ever had "this is my sixth in 11 years". This truck is defenitly not under powerd with the 4.7. The other day I had to tow an old International 2 ton truck in two town. My father inlaw said that most of the time he was riding the brakes so that he would not hit me and it pulled it with out any problem.
    I can not imagine how much power the new heavy duties will have with the hemi and high output Cummins.
    I can simply not say enough about my Ram!!
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    nope, here would be the best half ton truck on the market...imo

    dodge styling with s-crew interior room and king ranch or harley davidson interior package/detailing. s-crew overall length and hemi hooked up to the 4L80E gm tranny.

    i'd take mine in BLACK!
  • Yep, it all adds up. Sounds like your problem is a combination of several things. You are down 40 HP from the 5.3 Chevy out of the box, you have a stiff new vehicle (full break-in doesn't really happen until 5000 miles) - 10 HP, you have 4 wheel drive now and 2 wheel drive before? - 5 HP, and you may not be in the high rev range with the Dodge - 20 HP. All total you are off 75 HP which could easily amount to 15 MPH going up a 3-4% grade.

    With time, you will get the 10 HP back and some improvement in fuel economy but the Chevy is rated at 15/19 city/hwy and the Dodge is rated at 11/15 city/hwy so you will always be using more fuel.

    The 5.3 is a pretty good motor....
  • jkulp42757jkulp42757 Posts: 83
    Hi everyone. Finally got my truck I ordered !!!!

    2002 Quad Cab SLT- Black with 20 inch wheels and sport package, trailor tow package, infinity stereo, dark slate premium cloth interior.

    It rides really well, better than I thought it would with the 20's.

    I have had it for 3 days and noticed that it goes off a little to the right at times down the highway. Should I get this checked out?

    Also. A few times when I have it in reverse and the steering wheel locked(fully turned)it makes a clicking noise backing up...is this normal? It doesn't happen everytime, but it has a few. It has always been in 2Hi. I haven't had a full size 4WD truck before so I have no idea what the sound could be.

    Thanks
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    While at my Chevy dealer recently I noticed 12 or 13 engine blocks sitting on the shop floor. These had apparently been removed from existing vehicles and some were tagged. I asked one of the tech's about them and he said they were returns, going back to reclaim. Questioned further he said they were all truck engines, most of them 5.3s. I think he said there was one 6.1.

    Anyway, they were replaced for piston slap, according to him. I had a chance to examine a few and on one there was noticeable chatter marks on one cylinder. Couldn't see marks on others. Now my friends Silverado does make a little noise at start-up which I thought was noisy lifters at first, or wrist pin noise from low oil pressure. His uses about one quart of oil in 800 miles. He complained about it but they said anything over one quart in 400 miles was okay.

    Dusty

    P.S. There were a stack of about 20 used torque converters behind the parts counter, too.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    dusty,

    you sure make the rounds...visiting your chevy dealer...asking around at tranny shops about repairs...how do you find time to work??
  • themanxthemanx Posts: 110
    Sounds like you have the same truck I ordered! Took me 2 months to get my black 02 with the 20's!

    I do not have any pulling or clicking. I have had mine for 2 months. My only complaint is I am only getting about 12 mpg's with my heavy foot. But man does it tow my 18 foot boat good!

    Stan
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    RE: your post

    dustyk Jul 24, 2002 9:34pm

    I know a GMC and a Chevy SM on a first name basis. They state that GM will not support replacement of the 4.8, 5.3, and 6.0 engines due to knock on startup. GM has issued a TSB no. 01-06-01-028 on 12/01 stating "GM Powertrain Engineering, and an analysis of engines with this condition, has confirmed that the noise is not detrimental to the performance, reliability or durability of the engine.

    THIS NOISE DOES NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE LONGEVITY OF ANY OF THE ENGINE COMPONENTS"

    Could you post the name of the dealership that you visited as I'm curious to know how they convinced GM to R/R these motors. If you rather not post the name, you will find my email address under my profile. Thanks.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    ........I have occasion to get there for parts.

    The dealer is Doyle Chevrolet, Webster, New York.

    When I said recently, this was back in March, I believe.

    I'm surprised to hear about the GM position on this. I know of one person who did get an engine replacement about 6 or 7 months ago, but in all honesty I'm not sure I remember what it was replaced for.

    Dusty
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