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Dodge Ram Quad Cab



  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    Since I've never owned one or really know much about them, I have little to offer you other than what I've heard or read about. There are others that are much more savy about diesels than I.

    I have never heard of a differential failure on a diesel Dodge. I've heard and read about some automatic transmission problems with the Cummins. Most of those appear to be related to the shift solenoids and were not complete failures.

    I've never heard anything but high praise about the Cummins engine. I work with a fellow that went from a GM to a Dodge, and he considers the Cummins a much better engine. My daughter rides horses and the stable purchased two Fords in 2002 to replace their old Dodge. I've heard the stable owner say that the Cummins is the better engine.

    Now, that being said, I must tell you that I'm not sure why these people liked their Cummins engines better. I do know that the stable owner has has some problems with the Ford diesel, but I don't know what that is. My impression from the guy at work is that it's a performance issue.

    There is one thing I've noticed about diesel owners in general. Some seem to think that because they've got a truck with a diesel that the towing capacity is that of a tractor-trailer and I believe some of their transmission problems were related to over zealous towing practices.

    Good luck with your search.

  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    "I want the equivalent of Ford's crew cab--a four door that will seat five or six on long trips comfortably."

    I think that pretty much rules out the Dodge for you. The Ford Crew Cab is pretty much in a class of its own. That's not to say that the Ford is a better vehicle than the Dodge, just that six adults in a Crew Cab will be far more comfortable on a long trip.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    Keep in mind that Dodge does not market the RAM Quad as a six passenger equivalent to the Ford SuperCrew. The RAM Quad is an extended cab truck with four conventional doors instead of the previous suicide-style doors. Dodge intentionally kept the "Quad" name for this reason.

    I've driven both. The RAM Quad interior feels bigger, much more airy and the "extended" part of the cab is very large. The front passenger room is spacious. My kids loved the RAM rear seat over the Ford, mostly because the rear seat in the Ford is lower, the Dodge was higher. they liked the fact that they could see better.

    Comparatively the Dodge rear seating is not quite as generous as the Ford. The Ford front/rear passenger space is more balanced. However, I'm not sure how comfortable a long ride would be for three adults in the rear of the SuperCrew, anyways. Two should ride fairly well, I'd think.

  • ccikelccikel Posts: 2
    I was just on the dodge website and found out that you can now order a ram SLT with the Electric shift on the fly part time transfer case for an additional cost of $150.00. However the price of the 5-45RFE transmission went up from $995 to $1,170 with the hemi.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380

    yeah, it's unfortunate but the automakers are digging to find ways to pay for all those big incentives and no interest loans they've been writing up over the last year...
  • bmaigebmaige Posts: 140
    I am in the same boat. I have owned one of the first Ford diesels in a van and it holed a piston at around 65,000 miles for what reason no one could tell me, which left a sour taste in my mouth for diesels--especially the Ford.

    The economics of diesels is questionable with the higher cost. The fuel mileage is much better in most cases. For the additional price of the diesel engine, however, you could get a gas engine rebuilt twice, which means you could probably drive it 250,000 miles. The problem is, most of the gas engines don't have the towing capacity of the diesels, or the stronger transmissions to match.

    As for the Ford diesel, I have had occasion to talk to two owners and had hearsay on a third in which the engines have lasted a long time and given no trouble. The lowest was 198,000 miles and it was traded in by an elderly couple for a newer Ford with the same diesel engine. They indicated they didn't have any problems with it but used it to tow a camper all over the country and got a new one for their own peace of mind. The second one was a four wheel drive that had 300,000 miles on it and it was still going strong, at the time being used to pull some large shrubs up by the roots at a church. The third was hearsay, related by a Ford salesman (often not the most reliable source of information on the brand they sell or the competition). The reason I tend to believe him, however, is that he works for a company that owns a Ford dealership in one town and a Dodge dealership in one 15 miles away so he could sell either. He told a story of a farmer that had a Ford in which the engine lasted so long he decided to keep it until it broke to see how long it would run. It was being used to pull a load of hay when the engine croaked at 600,000 miles.

    I am surprised at the stables having a problem with the performance of the PS versus the Cummins, although I have just driven a Dodge on the street with no load. The regular PS is larger than the Cummins, and with the exception of the HO Cummins, I think it has more torque. I did notice Ford sells their diesel with a standard 3.74, or something like that, rear end, or an optional 4.10. Don't hold me to the actual figures and I think Dodge's is in the 4.xx range. I would think if there is a different rear end in the two they would appear to pull differently.

    I haven't owned a newer Ford PS or a Cummins at all, but I am leaning to the Dodge unless the Quad Cab isn't large enough to carry five or six. I thought the 2003 Dodges had expanded their cab to include room for six, but I may be mistaken. I was disappointed when looking at used trucks, though, that I couldn't find a full "crew cab" version in one.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    I need to clarify what I wrote.

    The stable (Fords) owner is not the one I think had an issue with performance. I'm pretty sure the stable owner's dissatisfaction has been with reliability/repair issues.

    The person who I think had a performance issue was the fellow I work with. He had a GM diesel.

  • The Ram 3500 was redesigned this year. Now it has room for SIX passengers in the Quad Cab version. It really has almost as much room as the F150 crew cab and way more room than the F150 extended cab. From my experience with the truck it would easily fit six passengers comfortably since the head room is the best of any pickup, the seats are huge, and the leg room in front and back (even the front center) is generous.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    The room between the Ram Quad and F-250/350/450 crew-cabs is about 5" in leg room. Doesn't sound like much but that's about the difference between a Civic and a Town Car. I'm on the fence this time around as I like my Dodge/Cummins but could use all the room I can get. The Ford is a good set-up with more flexibility. I think both trucks are pretty equal on power, but the big advantage to the Dodge is the new cummins is not really all that new. It has some new features and big improvements, but overall it's based on the same 5.9L engine. The Ford 6.0L is all new. That's about my only concern.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    one of the things that has kept me from getting a quad cab is the back seat. when compared to my supercrew, the quad's back seat has less padding and little if any recline to the seatback. legroom is only a tad more in the supercrew. i for one would really like to see dodge add about 2-3 inches to the quad cab and make a real sized crew cab...
  • Does the Hemi require premium? BTW did everybody see the Magnum on C&D's cover with a supercharged Hemi under the hood sporting 430 hp and 480 ft/lbs? Hard to believe they wouldn't offer that in the truck line (if they actually build it).
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380

    89 octane is recommended for the hemi in the ram. but 87 is acceptable, just won't get the advertised hp/torque with 87.

    as for the magnum...that baby does look mighty mean! however, i don't think dodge has any plans to offer a "supercharged" hemi in any cars or trucks...
  • In response to sebring95's question about the Cummins vs Power Stroke engines, the Ford engine is rated as a "light, heavy" duty diesel, while the Cummins is rated as "medium, heavy" duty. No question that the Power Stroke is a good engine, but the Cummins is a more heavy duty engine and has been significantly improved this year. A major improvement, in addition to more torque and horsepower, is the two stage injection system which dramatically reduces engine noise. According to the Turbo Diesel Register, fuel mileage has improved also.
  • bmaigebmaige Posts: 140
    I thought I had read the '03 Dodges would be available in a five (with manual tranny) or six passenger configureation, but haven't found one to sit in.

    I ran into a neighbor in the barbershop the other day who uses Dodges in his farming. There are several around us who do. I asked if he used diesels, and he said he had a diesel he loves for the farm, as well as a V-10. He said he was towing a load with the V-10 a day or so earlier and found it will get a load moving faster than the diesel will, which is good if you are merging onto an interstate or crossing an intersection but the diesel will definitely roll it, just takes longer to get it to highway speed.

    I had heard the new Ford PS was going to have aluminum heads, which concerned me, but in their web site it indicates it has iron heads, which should be better. It is supposed to be smaller with more power and torque, though, which bothers me a bit, too, in a brand new engine.

    GM's new Duramax does have aluminum heads from what I've seen. Did the performance problems you've heard of with the GM diesel come from that engine or their older ones?

    I am surprised at the PS having repair/reliability problems. Even the older one I had, which wasn't called a Powerstroke, never gave me a moment of trouble until it holed that piston, and it still got me home. Do you recall the type problems he was having by any chance?
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    The fellow from work who had the GM diesel is on special assignment for a month so I don't see him everyday.

    I talked to the stable owner. Their Fords are a 2001 350 and a 2002 450. They have special fiberglass (I think) cargo bodies set up for towing horse trailers. I took mental note of the problems she rattled off, so bare with me.

    She said that they have had automatic transmission problems with both. The older one needing a complete tear down and rebuild at about 17K. The other has had shifting problems, especially in cold weather and has not been properly resolved by the dealer.

    One has had a problem off and on with low oil pressure. Oil pump and main bearings replaced. Also had a repeating coolant leak on one, radiator and "something else" was replaced. Both have suffered from rough idle and they don't believe they're getting the fuel mileage they think they should get (15-18 MPG).

    One had an intermittent starting problem in the cold, traced to some kind of computer failure. One had a wiper motor fail. Both have had the heater cores leak into the cab and replaced. Twice on the older one. One had the emergency brake seize. One had a power window regulator fail.

    Despite the above problems, what really seemed to light her fire was "constant problems with brakes." Premature rotor failure seems to be most of the problem here, as far as I can deduce. She said they've put big money in brake repairs. She also said, compared to her old Dodge (I think was a '93), the Fords are "sloppy handlers."

    She didn't have a complaint about power, but she didn't seem to think that her two Fords were much more powerful than her older truck. I neglected to ask if the old Dodge was an automatic. Sorry.

    That's all I can remember.

    Hope this helps,
  • chevy4mechevy4me Posts: 203
    Any Idea on how many weeks from order tomdelivery now on a 1500 quad cab hemi SLT 2wd fairly loaded? And would ordering the side air bags slow the order? Thanx Todd
  • bmaigebmaige Posts: 140
    I had heard all of the manufacturers were having troubles with the AT's hooked to a diesel, but didn't realize it was at mileage THAT low. That's why I am interested in a manual, plus I like the control they provide.

    I'm looking at some Dodge 2500's and 3500's at present.
  • kaczor1kaczor1 Posts: 14
    I just got a 2003 SLT Quad Cab, unfortunately, it did not come with any body side mouldings. The way this truck sits so high up, it won't take long before someone puts a nice ding in the side with their doors. Does anyone have any idea where I can get body side mouldings for this truck? I am new to this board, and not quite sure where to look around for these things. It is white, so would either need black mouldings or white ones.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    On the SLT you'd think they'd come with them, wouldn't you?

    I just recently bought a Dodge Dakota off the lot and it did not have the mouldings, either. When making my deal I did get the dealer to agree to install the factory mouldings for me at dealer cost. This would've been handled through the parts department and installed later by the service department.

    I don't remember what that price was, but I think it would've been in the $100 range. I later elected not to get them and instead took the bedliner at dealer cost.

    Anyway, many if not most auto parts jobbers can get various styles for you. The national auto parts chain stores I think stock some, too. I believe I've even seen them in WalMart, etc.

    Good luck with your new RAM. They are a very nice truck.

  • sysadbsysadb Posts: 83
    Pardon me if this question has already been discussed here, but I just began considering one of these trucks a couple weeks ago.

    I took a quad cab hemi out for a spin and discussed ordering a truck with the fleet manager afterwards. Surprisingly, he told me that the Infinity stereo upgrade that included the in-dash CD changer was not available - yet. But he said it would be avail. "later" in the year. Kinda odd since the option is listed here on Edmunds and elsewhere. Since we were discussing an order I didn't see any reason for him to make that up. Has anybody got this factory option on their truck?

    Chevy4me: Order time was estimated at 6-8 weeks, with closer to 8. Don't know if there's a side-curtain delay since I didn't discuss that option.

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