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Toyota Highlander Tires and Wheels

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  • iluxmdxiluxmdx Posts: 1
    edited July 2011
    Caprracer posted "On the other hand, Toyo doesn't offer a treadwear warranty on tires supplied as Original Equipment. No tire manufacturer does. Since Toyo supplied tires to Toyota's spec, Toyo would not feel any responsibility if there was a wear problem"

    capriracer - My OEM Michelin MXV4 Energy tires on my Lexus RX 330 wore down to 3/32 after 17,500 miles & discount tires got Michelin to credit me $34.50/tire. This was after 6 years!! (It's my wife's car & she doesn't drive much). So it appears that Michelin stands behind their tires, even though I didn't buy Michelins to replace them; I replaced them with Bridgestone Dueler Alenzas. I was shocked they would do anything since the tires were that old.
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 795
    iluxmdx,

    There is a difference between a "warranty" and a "policy concession" - and what you got was a one time only policy concession.

    Second, while there may have been a policy concession from Michelin, it was Discount Tire who got it, not you. They may have passed it on, but DT got it because they buy a HUGE!!! amount of tires from Michelin. The fact that DTC allowed you to go into another brand is a flag that YOU didn't get the policy concession - DTC did!

    And third, Discount Tire is in the habit of making these kinds of policy concessions when they need to. They feel it helps bring people back to their stores. When a tire manufacturer does business with DTC, they need to prepared for this - and most do. I'll bet DTC would do a policy concession on off brand tires - that they sell, of course.

    But my point still stands: Toyota provided the specs, but doesn't provide warranty coverage! Toyo was stuck with the problem and it is understandable they might not feel the need to do a policy concession. Michelin feels the same way, but they have such a huge presence at DTC that they are in a position to offer a few policy concessions to smooth the busniess relationship!

    (an FYI: Most tire manufacturers do these, but the circumstances have to be right!)
  • Toyo OEM tires on my 2009 Highlander Hybrid Limited are shot at 30,000 miles.

    What was the warranty on these tires and what chance do I have to get a credit from Toyota and/or Toyo?

    If I get a credit from Toyo is it only going to be applied against new Toyo tires?

    For anyone who has successfully recieved a warranty credit for early tire wear, was it worth the trouble?

    Considering either the Hankooks or the Goodyear FuelMax as replacements but the bad reviews of the FuleMax on TireRack are steering me towards the Hankooks - any FuelMax owners who think the TireRack reviews are nonsense and these tires are worth the extra money?

    I've purchased tires through TireRack.com and been happy with the experience. I see that the Hakooks are a bit less expensive on Onlinetires.com - anyone have experience purchasing tires throught them? Any recommendationd for other online dealers worth checking out?

    thanks in advance
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 795
    "What was the warranty on these tires...."

    OE tires do not carry a mileage warranty.

    "... and what chance do I have to get a credit from Toyota and/or Toyo? "


    Probably pretty small. You got 30K and that's considered reasonable for OE tires.

    "If I get a credit from Toyo is it only going to be applied against new Toyo tires? "

    Yes.
  • tlb44tlb44 Posts: 1
    My Toyo A20s got about 36,000 on my 2008 Highlander. I replaced with the Goodyear Fuel Max. My first trip on the highway let me know I did not want these tires. They were loud and had a very choppy ride. Tested them on a 1200 mile roadtrip. Unfortunate, because I really did get better gas mileage by 1-2 mpg. Came home and had them replaced with the Toyo Versado. Night and day difference. The Versados are so quiet and have such a smooth ride. It is a 50,000 mile tire so we'll see.
  • 400e400e Posts: 41
    QUOTE: "My Toyo A20s got about 36,000 on my 2008 Highlander."

    You win the "highest mileage on a set of A20s award!"

    I have never heard of anyone getting more than about 20K on that tire.

    Good to hear that your experience with the Versado has been favorable. I really like the Toyo H/Ts, so clearly Toyo makes some very good tires -- just not the awful A20s.
  • My original Toyo tires P245/55R19 103S which came on my 2008 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Ltd (bought new in July 2009) wore very quickly. :cry: We replaced them with another Toyo set early last winter in 2010... and Toyota is already monitoring the tread depths. I did an internet search yesterday to see what was out there for a winter tire to at least use in the winter - since I got stuck in my own driveway with only 4inches of wet snow on blacktop and was severely unhappy with this supposedly 4WD capable AWD on demand vehicle.

    I found a tread I really liked on the Goodyear Ultra Grip ICE - BUT only available in a P255/60R19... I read that they are suggesting a P255/55R19 on the Hybrid Ltd's BUT will a P255/60 work? :confuse: I heard that an all-season in this size came very close to the rear struts. (These are rated as superb winter traction - especially on ice. ;) They also boast ice over winter silica tread compound which enhances traction on Ice and Snow.

    Also available is a Goodyear Ultra Grip ICE WRT (Commuter Touring) for $243 each in OEM size of P245/55R19 BUT tread is very different. Also boasts the winter grip compound and has two and three dimensional blade technology in tread pattern which channels water and slush away (similar to the Fortera tires). I'd have to see these in person to make a final decision.

    The third I found with an aggressive tread was the Sears Bridgestone BLIZZAK DM-V1 P245/55R19 103R for $197.96 each. They boast UNI-T technology to handle ice and snow conditions like a pro...

    Curious if anyone else has used these and personal comments on the wear and quality???
  • bob259bob259 Posts: 280
    I had the Blizzak's an they worked well. I bought a Lexus CT200h so I have a full set for the Highlander Hybrid, mounted on Toyota wheels for sale right now. ;) I liked the Blizzaks so well I just purchased a set for the CT.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,607
    255/60-19 would be huge difference from 245/55-19.. Even if they fit, they wouldn't fit, you know?

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  • I changed my tires at the end of June and it's being 2 months with those tire. I do not happy with those because of noise. Even I turn my car in parking lot with 5 to 10 mph, it makes lots of noise as I do the drifting. I'm waiting for the snow and hope they are better than Toyo A20(OEM) and Bridge Stone Dueler.
  • I've been reading through some of these tire posts after noticing my Wifes 08 Highlander with Toyo A20s are showing a lot of wear with 25,000 miles on them.
    I was reading that alot of you likes the Hankook Versus but wondered if anyone tried the Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V1? Looks like the Hankooks would still be hard to get this year.
    The Blizzaks have a good traction rating in deep snow but I wonder if the tread would be too rough or noisy around town on dry pavement.
    Any suggestions on other tires? I am looking for a good all season or light truck.
  • You may need a cam kit. I needed 2 new tires on my 2005 when it was new and only had 4,000 miles on it. After the third set of tires I found out the dealer who told me they checked the alignment really didn't check it. Since getting the cam kit the tires have been wearing well. I now have yokohama tires. Very disappointed that they place inexpensive tires on a new vehicle which costs $30,000
  • Hi All, I have had the Hankook Ventas tires on my 09 Highlander for 2 years now and 25,000 miles later. I rotate and balance my tires every 5k miles. Just had them rotated and balanced and sad to report the tread life is now at 5/32, marginal for one more winter. These are pro-rated for 65,000 miles but I won't see that out of them, maybe 40-45,000. Handling in snow and rain has been good to this point. I guess I will have to see what kind of allowance Hankook will be offering when I go to replace the tires.
  • I'm going into my 2nd winter on these tires. They are rotated regularly, but I need to have them checked. This morning I slid a LOT. Could be that there was a lot of ice on the roads. Up until today I haven't had a problem. I drive about 22,000/year, so these have about 35000 on them. Keep us up to date on the warranty info.
  • 400e400e Posts: 41
    Now at 24 months and about 27,000 miles on my Toyo H/T tires.

    Original tread depth 12/32nds. Now at 10/32nds.

    Great snow traction!

    They are a little noisy, and ride a little stiff when weather is really cold, but otherwise very good. MUCH better than the factory A20's.
  • pole5pole5 Posts: 1
    I had the Toyo tires replaced on my 2008 Highlander at 29000 miles. Very disappointed with the quality of these original tires on the vehicle. In my opinion, Toyota is paying the price (will and should continue to) for all their sins of cutting the corner with quality. The premium customers pay to buy a toyota is not worth anymore. This happened, if you see, to other arrogant Japanese manufacturers like Sony etc, I am not buying another Toyota again!!
  • We replaced the OEM Goodyear Integrity tires @ 22K miles due to poor wear with GY Fortera's which lastest a small bit longer...28K miles before they too needed replacement. In November we replaced those with one of the VERY FEW (at that time) Low Rolling Resistance (LRR) tires, the GY Assurance.

    These now have slightly over 35K miles (2 years, 2 months) so they've lasted a bit longer than the others but these are "suppose" to be 65K tires so the fact that they likely have less than 5K miles left on them makes me wonder if Goodyear tires are simply JUNK? The GY dealer here has been great giving us credit for un-available miles on the prior tires so I have nothing against him or his shop. It is the Goodyear products that simply seems to be nothing but JUNK (at least in our experience).

    Before anyone ask, this shop does all the oil changes and tire rotations as prescribed and there is no unusual wear. Due to the on-going tire wear issues, we have had Toyota themselves run all the alignments at regular effort. None have been out of spec. We've had the dealer check with regards to any recalls but they have not shared anything. This is a 4WD version of the Limited HiHy.

    Now that there are about a "gazillion" other LRR options, we will likely go with something other than Goodyears due to all these issues. I think that the GY dealer even said that he can give credit towards a different brand but my wife is about ready to simply drop the "get credit" fiasco and just go buy a different brand.

    My concern is "are ALL Highlander Hybrid owners experiencing these same issues with premature tire wear?"
  • No - We are not. We bought ours in Nov 2009 and after 35K miles they are nearly work out. Now, these were the ones prior to the CS version so there may be some change there but the original Assurance tires aren't living up to anywhere NEAR their 65K mile requirement. They are also quite "soft" so handling has never been very good with these. Will NEVER buy them again.
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 795
    Most tire wear occurs in the cornering mode. So the thing that has the most impact on tire wear is what I call "Turns per Mile" - that is how many turns you make compared to how many miles you drive straight ahead.

    Doing the math, the GY Integrity has a treadwear rating of 460 and you got 22K out of them.. The GY Fortera has a rating of 600 and based on the ratio between the ratings, you should have gotten a bit less than 30K - so 35K is pretty close.

    I don't have a lot of data on this, but I think 1.0 turns per mile is about average. Compare yours and see if the math doesn't get you a better number.

    Also, vehicle alignment specs are too wide to assure good tire wear. Take the toe for example: The typical range is in the 0.20° range. This should be 0.06°. That's 3 times the difference.

    So you need to look at what the vehicle actually has and not accept "In Spec" as an answer.
  • Thanks for the reply but you appear to have mis-read my post. The Fortera's got 28K miles before having to be replaced, not 35K. The

    Assurance tires that we have on this SUV "NOW"/today have gotten 35K (so far and probably have another 5K left). The Fortera tread rating is 600 and according to the manufacturer SHOULD have been good for 60K miles. Are you trying to state that the Manufacture did not calculate in "turns per mile" (TPM) into their equations when they established them? If TPM are important, what is the "average" TPM that was used to calculate the MFGs recommendations? I guess it would be possible that we had exceeded the MFG's projections but about 60% of my wife's driving is interstate (so few turns)

    If the Fortera is rated as a 60K tire and the Assurance is a 65K tire, then the wear for each of these "should" have been pretty darn close, right? The extra 5K rating on the Assurance is only 3.333% so using your math on these, the Fortera "wore out" @ 28K miles so the Assurance should have worn out @ 28,932 miles. However, they are ALREADY @ 35K miles and likely have at least another 5K before they are worn out so they look like they are going to last 40K miles which doesn't work well with the analysis you presented but thanks for the attempt.
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 795
    You're right. I did mis-read your post. If I am reading this correctly, you had a set of GY integrity's that lasted 22K, Fortera's that last 28 K, and Assurance's that lasted 35K (so far). That mean you have 85K on the vehicle now - right?

    Now, let's talk treadwear warranty. The difference between a guarrantee and a warranty is subtle. A warranty is kind of like an insurance policy and the terms of the warranty spell out what happens if you don't achieve the mileage. Typically, treadwear warranties require regular rotation (to even out the wear rate differences front to rear) and that the tire show even wear across the tread face (to deal with misaligned vehicles) - and if the tire wears evenly by more quickly that perscribed by the warranty, a prorated adjustment is made based on the difference between the warranted mileage and what was actually achieved. For example, a 60K tire that only gets 40K will result in a 33% credit towards the next set of tires.

    From the tire manufacturer's perspective, it is known that this "turns per mile" thing that greatly affects the wear rate. A tire manufacturer may provide a warranty that is conservative - that is, it understates the actual average - or it may provide a warranty that overstates it. That is where the treadwear rating comes into play.

    The treadwear rating is based on a test. It is OK to understate the rating, but it is illegal to overstate it. The folks setting the warranty mileage should consider how the rating looks in portion to the warranty - but that doesn't always happen.

    But the "TPM" thing is also a pretty gross assessment. It doesn't take into account that tires also wear even when the vehicle is basically going straight. 2 years ago, my daily commute changed from a 10 mile, 1.0 turns per mile to a 12 mile, 0.5 turns per mile. I am sure I am not going to get twice the mileage out of the tires. What the TPM calculation does is give an idea if the rapid wear being experienced is the result of the way the vehicle is used.

    Based on what you've posted - 3 different tires and all more rapid that the warranty - I would suspect that this COULD be a source.
  • Thanks for the additional follow up. The "travel" in this vehicle is INDENTICAL to the travel in previous vehicles (Lexus GX470, Lexus RX330) over the prior 12 years. The benefit of living and working at the same places over that same period. The tires on those cars never wore out prematurely but then again, they were not Goodyear brand and they were on different vehicles.

    I do understand warranties and GY has given us credit for the un-used tires. In calculating backwards, it turns out that the from the 22K mark to the current ~85K mark has cost us $166.56/tire so while it is fairly aggravating to have to continually claim mileage credits, at least they are there to keep the cost somewhat viable.

    I still think that this has something to do with the truck itself rather than our driving experience. During the "Fortera" period Toyota DID perform a recall on the power steering rack on this particular car (Note: The alignment was very tight to specs the entire time so should not have been a factor but who knows).

    Since this recent post, I have learned that there is speculation by other Highlander Hybrid owners that these tires may have been designed by Toyota as too narrow as a way of getting better fuel economy at the penalty of better fuel mileage (i.e. 225 may be too narrow to permit this vehicle to get the Mfgs projected mileage out of them). Perhaps it works OK for some who have extended periods of highway travel (e.g. 1hr+ commutes to work or 4 hour trips to clients) but for my wife who has a 35 minute drive down the interstate 4 days a week and then the balance of the time short jaunts hauling the kiddos around, they just don't work the way they should.

    I'll stop my rant now and go back to shopping for replacement tires. Thanks again for the replies.
  • 2006 Highlander Had Goodyear Intregrity tires , I bought truck in 2009 and Truck han Nexgen Tires on it. Neither tire lasted past 30,000 miles

    What Tires should I look For ???? or avoid ???
    Thank You
  • j06j06 Posts: 90
    If you are looking for all-season tires... then go with Yokohoma Geolander or AVID TRZ...

    my HL has Geolander.. already 30K on it.. I think will get another 20K ...

    smooth,quiet, good in rain and light snow.. horrible for Heavy Winter..
  • j06j06 Posts: 90
    edited February 2012
    Avoid List

    Bridgestone Dueler
    Continental 4x4 Contact
    Goodyear Integrity
    Hankook Dynapro
    Michelin Symmetry
    Yokohama Geolandar H/T G92C (The one I have is Geolandar H/T-S G051 )
  • j06j06 Posts: 90
    Top All-Season Tires for HL

    Continental CrossContact LX20 with EcoPlus Technology
    Michelin LTX M/S2
    Goodyear Assurance ComforTred Touring
    General Grabber HTS
    Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza
    Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S G051
    Michelin Latitude Tour
    Kumho Solus KR21
    Yokohama AVID TRZ
  • lbg3lbg3 Posts: 1
    I have just put a third set of replacement tires on my 2008 (72K miles) Highlander Hybrid! I don't know if the hybrid takes different tires (245/55R19) than the non-hybrid version but I have been told that my car only takes a few different types of performance tires. It is totally ridiculous, and expensive, to have to put soft performance tires on a family car.
  • 400e400e Posts: 41
    Yes, options are limited in this size, but there are a number of options now that didn't exist a few years ago.

    I have 30,000 miles on my Toyo H/T tires with just a little wear (original tread depth 12/32nds; now at 10/32nds) so these newer Toyos should be good for more than 50-60K. Not bad!

    Especially since they have GREAT snow traction.
  • Do you have some aftermarket wheel on your Highlander? The stock wheel for a hybrid is a 17-inch wheel. 225/66-17 to be specific.
  • We purchased my 2005 Toyota Highlander Limited 4wd new. Two years later at 21,315 miles, we had to replace the Goodyear Integrity tires. The Toyota dealership put 4 new Integritys on, my mistake I know. Two years later at 45,585 miles, we replaced them at Goodyear with the Fortera tire, with a credit for the Integrity. Two & half years later at 80,000 miles, it's time to replace them again! We were advised not to drive these tires on spring break trip. We have ALWAYS had issues with the car staying in alignment, but the last set of tires seemed to help that, and Goodyear always aligned them dead-on instead of a slight toe-in that Toyota wants to do. They have been FAITHFULLY rotated every 5000 miles by Goodyear.

    I'm DONE with Goodyear!! I understand that the Highlander seems to eat tires on a regular basis, I have spoken to a few people I know that own them, they have the same issue. So, my question to everyone, what do I go with? Do I spend a lot more just to have the tires still wear out no matter what? Here are the tires (size 225/65R17) that have been suggested to me:
    Continental CCLX20 - 70k
    Continental ProConnect - 80k
    Uniroyal Tiger Paw Touring - 80k
    Kumho Solus K16 - 60k
    Falken Z1EX 912 - 65k
    Michelin Tour Latitude - 65k

    Also 2 Goodyears and 1 Bridgestone, the Bridgestone Ecopia has bad reviews for even little cars!

    I appreciate any feedback you have!!
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