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Mazda6 Tires and Wheels

Okay we all know the 215-50-17s are expensive snow tires. My friend recommended I should put 205-50-17 as they are 200$ cheaper. Any suggestions? My only concern is safety.
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  • Looking for a little advice.
    I have a MS6, Black, 12K miles.
    when I bought it, I swapped out the stock summers for all seasons. I went with Pirelli P zero Nero 21540 18 from tire rack.
    no trouble initially, good in some snow in jan, feb. not bad overall tires.

    The problem has been wear. One of them is wearing unevenly. had one flat already (replaces with another pirelli).
    based on tread wear indicators, i probably have 1-2K more on the three originals.

    The dealer has checked the alignment and can't explain uneven tread wear.

    I am thinking of changing out all four.
    Seems to be a limited set of choices at the OEM size. Has anyone upsized to 225 40 or 45 18's using the original wheels?
    there seems to be much more choice at that size.
    anyone else have a tire wear issue?
    door sill recomends 38psi. that is higher than I normally run, are people keeping their tires this high?

    thanks in advance
  • I am still with the original summer potenzas which I really like. With AWD I don't think you need a ALL-season..??
    Please let me know what you learn as I plan to replace with a 225/40/18 probably toyo or yokohoma.. This small size change should not cause us ANY problems..
    Later - Morgan
  • I am still with the original summer potenzas which I really like. With AWD I don't think you need a ALL-season..??
    Please let me know what you learn as I plan to replace with a 225/40/18 probably toyo or yokohoma.. This small size change should not cause us ANY problems..
    Later - Morgan


    If you live in a climate where it snows you need all seasons. "Summer" tires are not designed to deal with cold temperatures and lack the edges to bite on icey/snowy roads. If you like your summer tires, you might want to consider just getting pure winter tires on alternate wheels for when there is white stuff falling. If the stock 16" from a regular Mazda6 will clear the brakes, I am sure a set of those can be picked up super cheap.
  • UHHH No, I am not worried or intimated by snow & ice in an AWD car.. I was wondering if everyone agrees and or has anyone gone to a 225/40/18 summer tire on the stock MS6 wheels. Also, Are you sure about the edges being that different, I think it is mainly treadware and tread pattern designs and differences. Not to mention the tires' engineered compounds.
  • You are correct, the compound is different to deal with the colder temperatures, thats what I was talking about with respect to it being designed for colder temps. The edges of true winter tires are indeed different. Fine cuts in the tread are designed to help the car grip snowy or icy surfaces better.
    While its good to know you feel invincible in your AWD car, I wanted to point out that it offers little advantage when trying to do things other than accelerate, like STOPPING or TURNING. With summer tires, you will be even more at a disadvantage since you don't even have the tread compounds afforded by "all season" tires. Whats worse is once you do spin off in the ditch, your summer tires wont grip to get you back on the road, and everyone can watch all 4 of your tires spinning in the snow.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    I am waiting for a mesage stating that Mazda AWD "sucks" because you lost control of the car in the snow with summer tires. The last part, I bet, you will not mention.

    Summer tires can/will get dangerous with temperature drop. You need no snow. Dry and cold will render them almost useless.

    Wishing you best of luck.

    Krzys
  • Does anyone here have experience with summer tires used through winter? Good enough for cautious, limited use, or simply an accident waiting to happen? One 10mph bump would be a 4 figure repair, followed by higher insurance rates. The trouble is it would be a considerable expense to have spare wheel/tire set for a leased vehicle, and I do not have storage space. I believe the lease requires original model tires when the car is returned, so I can't just swap. I don't _want_ to drive through a winter on summer tires, there just may not be a practical choice.
  • The trouble is it would be a considerable expense to have spare wheel/tire set for a leased vehicle, and I do not have storage space. I believe the lease requires original model tires when the car is returned, so I can't just swap.

    Double check that, usually the lease calls for 4 matched tires but not necessarily what was originally on there. While it is more of a pain, you could have your snows and summers mounted and unmounted on the same rims.
    Alternatively, I would look for some regular Mazda6 wheels (cheeap)if they clear the brakes.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    I think I read a review of BMW M5 with original summer tires.
    It dusted when reviewer was dining. The car was unable to move from parking spot. M5 is not AWD but it does have traction control. I guess there was no traction.

    Krzys
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Accident waiting to happen, plain and simple. I wouldn't risk a "short trip" at all, considering that if an accident does happen, some insurance companies will place you at fault for driving on summer tires in the winter.

    If you don't want winter tires/wheels, a good set of all-seasons will work just fine for you, and as stated previously, I'm sure the lease calls for 4 matched, evenly-worn tires, so all-seasons won't kill your lease.

    For all-seasons, I've heard the Pirelli P Zero Nero M&S are a good choice...
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Even if the lease did call for OEM tires, he could put the all seasons on and store the summer tires. Then put the original tires back on when it is time to turn the car in.
  • An accident waiting to happen. Believe me!

    car purchased 12/23/05............Salt Lake City, Utah
  • I compare the MS6 to the VW R32 in this regard.

    When I had the R32, I was a regular on VWVortex.com. There were hoards of posts warning about driving the R32 in snow/ice without changing to winter, or at least truly all-season tires; there were even a few "I learned my lesson the hard way" posts. The R32, factory equipped with Goodyear Eagle F1s, came with a strong warning about driving in snow/ice.

    The R32 was unflappable in the wet, but from everything I read, it was a disaster waiting to happen in snow/ice unless the tires were changed. The R32 and the MS6 have similar specs: both have a Haldex that stays in FWD 90% of the time, both have similar power to weight ratios, both come stock with aggressive performance tires.

    So why would the MS6 be any different than the R32 in its need for winter tires? If the MS6 were full-time AWD, it would be a better winter car, but AWD doesn't assure a contact patch for braking and turning.

    -Mister Winky
  • "Summer tires can/will get dangerous with temperature drop. You need no snow. Dry and cold will render them almost useless"

    Absolutely Agree! In all the cars and all the winter driving, I had the scariest experience ever last winter in this AWD car with the summer tires on it. All four tires spinning and the driver has NO control what so ever. Tires are hard as a rock and may as well be blown up tight inner-tubes.
  • Does anybody have the Pirellis on? How good/bad is the tire wear? I heard stock summers last about only 12K to 16K.

    I also have the same dilema. I checked with my sales guy. Tire should be of the same size. Doesn't matter the make.

    There are two options
    1) Use 17'' rims from Mazda6 and a winter tire combo ~ 1000 USD. The 17' offers more tire options
    2) Use the Pirelli's. If they don't last out the whole lease I feel option 1 may be better. :confuse:
  • eviljoeeviljoe Posts: 14
    So has anyone put 225/40/18s or other size tires on their MS6? I too did notice that the supply of OEM size tires was limited and was wondering what problems there might be in switching. How much would slightly bigger tires affect gas mileage and ride?
  • waygrabowwaygrabow Posts: 209
    From my online research, it seemed that the Pirelli P-zero Nero was the only decent AS tire in 215/45R18. At a tire dealer, I was told that the Pirelli is a summer-oriented AS, not drastically better than the stock tires. If you consider size 225/45R18 AS tires, many more options are available- Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental, and Avon. The Michelin seems overpriced. I passed on the
    Avon simply because I have no knowledge of the company. Can anyone educate me on this brand? The Continental is a winter-oriented AS tire. My tire dealer said that customers had mixed sentiments about the Continentals. This week I am having Bridgestone RE 960AS tires put on my MS6. They are top-rated on TireRack reviews. The stock tires make 811 revolutions per mile; the RE 960AS is rated at 804 revolutions per mile, so the difference is minor.

    I can't give you any feedback yet on the new tires, but I do know that summer tires in winter are bad news. I once drove in a snow with summer tires at 5 mph and slid sideways off the road; simply no grip. If I lived further north, I would have dedicated winter tires, probably 17"; the difference is quite significant.
  • evaddaveevaddave Posts: 156
    I've seen a bunch of motorcycle tires made by Avon. I don't know anything about the quality, though.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    I passed on the Avon simply because I have no knowledge of the company. Can anyone educate me on this brand?

    Avon tires have been used on Aston Martins and Bentleys for years, and the Tech M550 A/S has been a solid performer, from what I've heard. Other Mazda6 owners have bought and used them for 17" OEM replacements, and I haven't heard anything negative about them yet. Great traction in dry and wet conditions, relatively quiet for a performance tire, and good treadlife.
  • waygrabowwaygrabow Posts: 209
    What I read on TireRack about the Avon tires was very positive; I just had no personal knowledge. And I liked the idea of a winter-oriented AS, such as the Continental; after all that is why we are taking off the summer tires. Michelin is known for good quality. So all these choices in size 225/45R18 may be good. In size 215/45R18 the Kumho Ecsta SPT and the Cooper Zeon ZPT are also available, but their ratings are slightly less.
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