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Hybrids - News, Reviews and Views in the Press



  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Maybe the states need to require a special license for hybrid drivers as they have for motorcyclists. All these last few posts point out what I am saying about drive by wire systems. They leave a LOT to be desired. Give me manual linkage to my accelerator, steering and brakes. A little assist is fine for brakes and steering. I don't want my car controlled by Microsoft Windows that crashes every few days.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Believe me, Gary, the day a car comes out with Microsoft Windows at the controls, it's time to march on D.C. my friend !! :D :D :shades:
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    gary says, "Maybe the states need to require a special license for hybrid drivers as they have for motorcyclists."

    You are not serious, are you? Hybrid cars drive EXACTLY LIKE REGULAR CARS. There is no difference in the driving part - all the differences take place behind the scenes !!!

    My 81 year old Granny drove my TCH and said it was just like any other car !!!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    ConsumerAffairs is a trolling net for anyone dissatisfied with any product. They have no expertise on any subject ( lawyer-driven ? ) other than to gather potential prospects for future class action suits.

    If you don't like your blanket or drugs or toaster or hybrid or recliner rocker or self-folding mattress, then post it on CA's site and you'll be the subject of a forum like this.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I think hybrids have allowed a business case to be made for even more choices in fuel efficient vehicles.
    Look closely and you can see the automakers hedging their bets. Toyota is pushing into diesel. Ditto for Honda, which may not build a new hybrid Accord.

    Agree wholeheartedly on this point.

    I believe also that Toyota and GM are acting in concert, as the two leading manufacturers, to pull the rest of the industry behind them. I think Toyota showed it could be done and be done profitably. Ford was a natural 'partner' to spread the word but unfortunately they are running into other problems. GM's 2-mode is a competing system but very capable by all initial reports and possibly more flexible in that it can be used in a wider range of vehicles.

    I now see that Merc and BMW are planning to add hybrids to their future product lines.
  • michael2003michael2003 Posts: 144
    Are there really vehicles that don't have a Neutral selection for the transmission?

    According to the interior pictures available for the Prius, I saw that the shift knob did show an 'N' position, which I would assume would be considered Neutral.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    How do you shut the thing off if it is key-less with a FOB in your pocket? A good case for the trusty analog key. A lot cheaper to replace also. I know most of the new keys attached to the FOB are upwards of $300 to replace, re-program and re-cut.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    It's a rolling computer. Just like any other computer, turn the power off. It's the same icon as it is on a computer.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    So the Prius is a Microsoft Windows machine? :shades: I mean how do you cut the power to the whole blasted vehicle? Shut it off. You know like the switch on the back of your computer that actually turns it off. If the software goes wacky as it is prone to do you may not have an icon to touch on the screen.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    If the software goes wacky as it is prone to do you may not have an icon to touch on the screen

    The On/Off button is in front where a keyhole might be but on the dash.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Virus testing on
    Mikko Hypponen, director of antivirus research at F-Secure, recently obtained a 2005 Prius from Toyota. Toyota (which also owns Lexus) said the Bluetooth used in the Prius was similar to the system found in the Lexus. Toyota cars use a proprietary operating system, not Symbian.

    Despite re-creating hazardous circumstances, in which someone walks into a Bluetooth-enabled Prius with a Cabir-infected cell phone, the team at F-Secure was unable to infect the Prius. And when the researchers attempted to send the infected SIS file to the car, the Prius responded with a "transfer failed" message. In fact, they were unable to successfully perpetrate any known Bluetooth attack.

    So no, Gary, the Prius is not a Microsoft Windows machine - thankfully !!!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I was sure that it was not a Microsoft product.:sick:

    No one has answered the question how do you remove power from the computer/hybrid system if something goes wrong while cruising down the highway? Soft switches do not remove power they only put it into sleep or standby mode. The proof being if you leave the car unattended for a few weeks it discharges the battery making the car unusable. I want to have the ability to CUT OFF the power quickly if the car goes berserk as it allegedly did in Washington this week. I don't think that is unreasonable.
    Same goes for a BMW that is out of control.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    The Power Button which turns the car ON is also the method of turning the car OFF.


    Same as turning off the key on any car.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    You know me, I hate to disagree with you. The key in my truck turns the actual power to the vehicles operating system (computer) off. It does not drain the battery down as it does in the Toyota hybrids. There are actual electrical contacts that are opened when the key is turned off. It removes power that is required to start all the systems going again. If I am cruising down the road and turn the key off my truck comes to a halt. Maybe not all vehicles use this system. I would be curious to know which ones to steer clear of in my shopping for a vehicle.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, now that you mention it, I have no idea what happens if you are driving down the road and push the Power button to turn the Prius/TCH/HiHy off.

    Kdhspyder, do you know? :confuse:
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Nope, never tried it but I'll investigate.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Go Thee Forthwith and Purchaseth a Hybrid Car-eth

    Considering a hybrid vehicle? Now is the time to buy, according to, the premier online resource for automotive information. There are four key reasons: -0- *T 1. According to True Market Value(R) (TMV(R)) pricing system, average transaction prices of most hybrid vehicle models are at their lowest levels in history because the supply is finally beginning to exceed the demand. 2. For the first time ever, incentives are being offered on many popular hybrids. 3. Certain hybrid tax credits will be lower for those who purchase later in the spring, after automakers reach specific hybrid sales targets. 4. Gas prices have begun their seasonal rise. AAA recently reported that unleaded fuel is up 32 cents per gallon compared with one month ago.
  • toyolla2toyolla2 Posts: 158
    Sadly Hydrogenics, a hydrogen research company in the Province of Ontario, has just laid off 50 staff. Their business is in electrolysers and reformers for the hydrogen economy. They also were working on a hydrogen propelled road vehicle for the US army. I believe they were connected to fuel cell companies on other projects.

    This is a very hard business to be in. One view of the feasibility of the hydrogen economy using electrolysers driven by solar energy is expounded by rorr on post #142 at the Hydrogen Fuel Cars forum here.

  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,020
    A reporter for a weekend news program is looking to interview consumers in the Los Angeles area who are interested in purchasing a hybrid. Please reply to no later than Thursday, March 22, 2007 with your daytime contact info.

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  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    How ironic. Since Toyota is #1 Hybrid Company in the World it is very important that the citizens of the United States provide thousands of dollars in incentives to sell each Toyota hybrid cars.

    What does the tax credit accomplish? Reduced energy usage? Reduced emissions?

    This is not an issue about if you believe are hybrids beneficial. Assuming we've bought into that (I have) and If you believe that the government wants it's citizens to convert to clean cars (hybrids_and they must have) and thus offers incentives, then it makes no sense to take the credits away from Toyota and keep them with Ford, Nissan, Honda and others that enter the hybrid market. Don't mix market control with environmental benefits.
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