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Hybrids - News, Reviews and Views in the Press



  • hiwaymanhiwayman Posts: 98
    Thanks for your sympathy. Obviously, the reason we're here isn't just about the money. There are a lot of personal reasons that keep us from moving to a less expensive area (I'm originally from Wisconsin, so I do pine for the pines, so to speak). I don't live in Silicon Valley, fortunately, because my cost of living would be even higher (I live just north of San Francisco) by about 20%. And your comment about living in Detriot? Really? Detroit???? ;)

    In regard to the tax incentive, I would suggest that it really has almost NO impact on YOUR wallet, when you put it in the context of the tax incentives and breaks given all over the board to big corporations and other entities. There are billions of dollars in tax incentives that are taken advantage of by various entities and special interest groups such as tobacco and big oil. When you take the piddling little tax incentives that are given for hybrid cars (that are dropping to almost zero as we speak) as a percentage of the whole, it probably costs you something less than a penny each tax year.

    To be honest the Feds support of alternative technologies is pretty pathetic. The influences of big oil and the automakers (who generally would rather not produce hybrids, and only do so, grudgingly, to increase their fleet overall MPG ratings) and a currently very fiscally conservative (at least when it comes to alternative fuels) government means that very little public funding (tiny slivers of a percentage of the total expenditures) is going to hybrids or similar cars. If I were to pick a battle to fight, I would go after the tax incentives given to big oil to do "research" when their profit margins are well over 100%, and their gross bottom line is in the billions of dollars.

    Without getting any more long-winded, if you consider the couple of thousand-dollar tax breaks on a few thousand hybrids in the context of a Federal Budget that is approaching 3 TRILLION dollars (the budget comes out of your pocket, among other places), the cost to you as an individual is miniscule to the point of disappearing.

    That is incredibly short-sighted on the Feds' part. As fossil fuels become increasingly scarce, and the demand for them increases, it will not be very long before the high price of these fuels will impact our economy and the economies of the countries around the world. A crappy economy directly results in tax revenue streams that become trickles. Revenue streams drying up means the feds can't do what they're supposed to do. Shock waves go through the economy. Hiways get crappy. Petrochemical companies, shipping companies, travel, power, and everything else gets even more expensive. Soon, the economy craters...

    Nope. A piddling little tax incentive for a hybrid car doesn't make much difference to you. If anything, more incentives should be put in place to get people out of their Yukons and into their Prius'..... (BTW, I don't own a Prius..I own a Nissan Hybrid)....
  • tpetpe Posts: 2,342
    Excellent post.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    I don't know how far from Detroit downtown they are. They bought a nice home in Royal Oak. They are very happy back there. Trying to live in CA on a budget is tough.

    I do agree on most of your thoughts about corporate welfare. I just don't think adding to it with incentives that rarely reach the buyers pocket are good. It was not difficult to see the pricing of the Prius come down as the incentives were cut. I am one the believes there is no interest in Congress to cut our fossil fuel usage. With every gallon of gas comes another bit of tax money in the till.

    Our infrastructure is not being maintained with the gas tax currently being taken in. One of the 77,000 bridges not up to standard gave witness to that this week in Minneapolis. For the government to get serious about using less gas would erode that tax pool even more.

    And yes I look for the economy to crater as you put it.
    Driving a hybrid will not help our economy in any way that I can think of.

    I do hope you got a good buy on your Altima Hybrid. I have not seen one in San Diego yet.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    Just this woman and Al Gore JR???

    A speeding driver going the wrong way on state Route 52 slammed head-on into a pickup truck driven by an off-duty Border Patrol agent early Friday. Both drivers were killed instantly, officials said.

    Before the crash, several drivers called 911 to report the Toyota Prius was heading east, going at least 100 mph in the fast lane, said Highway Patrol Officer Rob Sanchez. The 2007 Prius then collided with the 1995 Chevrolet S-10 pickup.

    A woman was driving the Prius, authorities said.

    She was identified by the county Medical Examiner Friday afternoon as Shayne Rae Leatherwood, 22, of Poway. The Border Patrol agent was identified as Neil Wilkie Hepburn , 35, a married resident of Chula Vista.
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428

    Aug-2007 Hy sales were much lower compared to the last few months and even less that Aug-2006
    when all other months in 2007 were better than the same months in 2006.

    Infact, the share of Hybrids among total vehicle sales is less than 2.0 %

    Prius-2008 is coming in Sep with Standard Edition costing $ 1,200 lesser.
    Camry-2008 is coming in Sep with Standard Edition costing $ 1,000 lesser.
    Highlander-2008 - new model with Eco Button is coming in Oct.

    Expect Sep-2007 to be very good month for Hybrid Sales, also this is the last month with Tax Credit for Toyota & Lexus models.

    Still Prius sales increased 25 % in Aug-2007 compared to Aug-2006.

    The YTD sales for this year is much higher than the same period of last year which the non-hybrids have declined.
  • Anyone ever tried this new car I was thinking of getting one.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    Are you in the USA? Welcome to the Forum. What is not to like about a car like that? LPG is fairly easy to find. Those conversions were real popular in the 1980s. The engines run very clean on LPG. You lose trunk space in a car with the tanks. Keep us posted if you buy one.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    BALTIMORE — Gas-electric hybrid vehicles, the status symbol for the environmentally conscientious, are coming under attack from a constituency that doesn't drive: the blind.

    Because hybrids make virtually no noise at slower speeds when they run solely on electric power, blind people say they pose a hazard to those who rely on their ears to determine whether it's safe to cross the street or walk through a parking lot.

    "I'm used to being able to get sound cues from my environment and negotiate accordingly. I hadn't imagined there was anything I really wouldn't be able to hear," said Deborah Kent Stein, chairwoman of the National Federation of the Blind's Committee on Automotive and Pedestrian Safety. "We did a test, and I discovered, to my great dismay, that I couldn't hear it."

    Hybrids a Hazard
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Call me back when regular cars stop killing pedestrians.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 6,057
    There ARE sounds you expect to hear when a vehicle is approaching. When they aren't there it can be a problem.

    This isn't about saying hybrids are bad, just that thre's something that might need to be addressed as I mention in Dangerous Crossing

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  • Has any statistics been published in regards to how many blind individuals have been injured by all vehicles as opposed to how many were injured by electric or hybrid vehicles?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Should bicycles been controlled as well? They're even quieter than a hybrid. ;)
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 6,057
    A bicycle isn't exactly gonna make a pancake out of you :P

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    Toyota's 16 mpg Tundra is outselling its Prius Hybrid

    The Union of Concerned Scientists is blasting Toyota for opposing a U.S. Senate proposal to raise the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standard to 35 miles per gallon over the next 13 years.

    We chided Toyota for painting itself green by announcing its support of an increase in the federal CAFE standard while failing to let people know that the measure it backs is the weakest of three competing fuel economy increases being considered by lawmakers.

    In a letter to its supporters, Concerned Scientists says Toyota seems to be trying to have it both ways and urges them to write the company to tell it that it must choose to be either "an environmentally responsible company willing to support sensible fuel economy standards," or "merely another corporation willing to compromise our fiscal, environmental, and energy security for its own interests."
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Gary - I know you loved this.....

    But let me temper your excitement.....

    There is NO WAY that the automakers can make the 35 MPG by 2020. That is what is being opposed.

    It's a TECHNOLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY when you combine

    1. America's car buyers who do not want to pay more for fuel-efficient cars, who, despite the end of the "SUV Era", still want big powerful cars and trucks, and
    2. The current technological restraints on making your fleet 35 MPG.

    Toyota is joining Detroit in opposing that ridiculous "mandate" because IT CANNOT BE DONE.

    In the last 15 years Toyota has been the ONLY automaker to decrease automobile emissions. Ultimately, Toyota is barely trailing Honda in overall fleet fuel economy, and the automaker is on pace to pass Honda. So, why attack the company actually doing MORE than any other automaker on the issue UOCS cares about most?

    Even with high mileage vehicles like the Prius available, consumers still continue to demand big powerful cars and trucks. Just increasing the CAFE standards won't do anything to influence demand for larger vehicles. They also responded to Friedman's comments about higher mileage cars being available overseas by reminding him that there is demand driven by high fuel taxes in other countries. Without similar tax changes here to influence demand, CAFE standards will only frustrate buyers by ensuring the vehicles they want are not available.

    Toyota DOES want it both ways, and those two ways are this:

    1. Keep making and selling more clean cars than anyone else.
    2. Meet the HIGH DEMAND in and make money in the truck market in the USA.

    The 35 MPG by 2020 is NOT POSSIBLE, so of course it should be opposed. That doesn't "cancel out" everything else Toyota is doing to be the green company it is CONSISTENTLY RATED AS BY INDUSTRY EXPERTS.

    Toyota WANTS a new CAFE standard. Just not a impossible one. Read on:

    Read the October 3rd entry to become enlightened
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,863
    "Ultimately, Toyota is barely trailing Honda in overall fleet fuel economy, and the automaker is on pace to pass Honda. "

    Remove the Prius from the Toyota corporate MPG and the HCH from the Honda corporate MPG and check the numbers again. In my opinion, Honda is the only major manufacturer who is serious about keeping all their vehicles as fuel efficient as possible.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    I think you have converted me. I am about to buy a Sequoia 4X4 in Arctic Frost Pearl. Only vehicle Toyota has that I like. Sorry NO Hybrids in my future. They are a dead monkey as far as I am concerned. Oh, I have to hurry as the new Sequoia is as big as a Suburban. Too big for my needs. I guess the article is true.
  • It seems you have an excellent point in that, we might possibly see much higher average fuel economy becoming accepted here in the US if we would just start raising the tax on fuel incrementally. After all, not only would this help foster a more fuel efficient society, it would provide the needed funding to help improve the clean up of the electric grid. We have to start somewhere and this would seem to be the quickest way to kick start the effort and help ensure that some progress is made.
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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 6,057
    Honda is looking to increase sales of hybrids to 450,000 units by 2010

    Aiming High

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  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    "Aim for the Stars, and you might hit the Moon."

  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428 t-88549350

    Prius sales up 50 % compared to Oct-2006 @ 13,158.
    Camry-H up 25 %
    Escape/Mariner up 30 %
    Rx400h up 12 %

    Highlander down 63 % (because 2008 model is bigger & heavier)
    Civic is almost same.

    While overall auto sales increased 1.2 %, Hybrids increased 30 %.

    Gas prices have started creeping up again.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Highlander down 63 % (because 2008 model is bigger & heavier)

    And because it's not here yet.. these sales are mostly the leftover '07s. There might be a couple of '08s that snuck in under the 10-31 wire.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 6,057
    GM has announced a hybrid version of the Escalade. Take the Alternate Route on your way to the news story ;)
    News & Numbers

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  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    GM has announced the Malibu Hybrid will not be available outside of 11 selected markets.

    Chevrolet will limit early distribution of the cars to only 11 key U.S. markets in the Northeast and the West Coast, with none in the Southeast, Deep South or Midwest.
  • Here is a list I found about the best green cars for 2008. Some of the new models look pretty hot

    Top Green Cars
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Spoken like a true Detroit "homer" reporter.

    Point out the one remaining advantage the Detroit hybrids have.

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