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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    LOL! exactly. I want a car that I can drive, not just a car that I can look at. And believe me, I DRIVE....
    to Mexico,
    to Lake Tahoe, Calif.
    to Napa valley, CAlif.
    to Oregon,
    to Utah
    to Las Vegas, NV
    To San Diego, Calif
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    As long as the reason for buying a car for you is to look at it in the driveway or the auto repair shop; good for you!

    But if your goal is to purchase a vehicle that runs and drives, that you can actually use, then Lexus and Toyota are clearly superior choices to Cadillac.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    And Buicks and Cadillacs handle like Buicks and Cadillacs. That would mean SLOPPY. With the exception being the Cadillac CTS
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Where is Caddy? Caddy is where it should be ---> NOT EVEN ON THE RADAR
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    by louiswei Apr 06, 2007 (8:26 am)
    Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 06, 2007 8:19 am)

    I would say BMW is the standard of the world for performance in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    MB being the standard of the world for prestige in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    Lexus being the standard of the world for quality/reliability in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    Acura being the standard of the world for value (best bang for the bucks) in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    Where is Caddy?
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,692
    I see your point but the statistics on the other hand don't support my experience any more than my experience supports the statistics. Every single damn one of my friends who has purchased a domestic vehicle has had some hassle with it---some worse than others, and yes, so have friends who purchased Passat and BMW....but, more to the point, every one of my friends (and me) who purchased Toyotas just turned the key and never saw another dealer except for an oil change.

    it's possible that it's like a battlefield where statistically casualties are only 1% but in my sector they are falling like flies!! :cry:

    So try as I may, it's very hard to believe in the abstract statistics when there is all this "evidence" around me.

    Call me crazy.... :D
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Where are the statistics coming from? How do we know whose reporting isn't biased? JDPowers and Consumer Reports have been accused of biased reporting, but who cares, anyone that's owned a Toyota or Honda, knows how great they are. And I'm a different breed. I like manual transmission, most people have automatic transmissions which may or may not have more mechanical problems.

    I've never seen a dealer again either (Toyota owner here) and I like it that way

    A person can statistic me all they want, it's not going to change my high regard for Toyota or Honda, because I've owned their cars and know how fine they are.
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    I see your point but the statistics on the other hand don't support my experience any more than my experience supports the statistics. Every single damn one of my friends who has purchased a domestic vehicle has had some hassle with it---some worse than others, and yes, so have friends who purchased Passat and BMW....but, more to the point, every one of my friends (and me) who purchased Toyotas just turned the key and never saw another dealer except for an oil change.

    it's possible that it's like a battlefield where statistically casualties are only 1% but in my sector they are falling like flies!!

    So try as I may, it's very hard to believe in the abstract statistics when there is all this "evidence" around me.

    Call me crazy....
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    No, perhaps he is entitled to his own PROPAGANDA, but not mistating the facts. It doesnt surprise me, coming from a GM defender.
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    Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 06, 2007 12:10 pm)

    Very funny, but last I looked Toyota was like #15 in vehicle reliabilty, and that is based on 2006 models. Buick and Cadillac both bested Toyota, while Lexus was at the top with Porsche and the other two mentioned.
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    Look Again

    Wasn't 2005 either

    Perhaps you prefer Forbes which factors in J.D Powers Ratings?

    Or Warranty Direct?
  • We get it, mediapusher. Japanese imports good. Domestics bad. Thank you.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    So what ever happened to GM's self proclaimed Malcolm Baldridge Award? LOL!! What a joke
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,692
    Presumably from owners surveys---but which owners, and for how long the ownership, and for WHAT problems....nobody ever seems to publish that data....the "context" of the survey.

    What I would like to know, as a prospective buyer, is this: what are my odds per 100 vehicles if I buy a new Cadillac, of having to go back to the dealer, within the *entire* warranty period. The "satisfaction upon delivery" or within 90 days of ownership is USELESS to me. Also people's subjective opinion of "fit and finish" means nothing to me. What do they actually know about it? Fit and finish relative to what? Also info from people who drive 3,000 miles a year in Arizona is probably useless to me.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    They're talking about fit and finish compared to the competition, that being (Lexus, Honda, Toyota, BMW) GM's is markedly different, and not in a good way.

    Why wouldn't 3000 miles a year in Arizona mean anything to you?
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    Also people's subjective opinion of "fit and finish" means nothing to me. What do they actually know about it? Fit and finish relative to what? Also info from people who drive 3,000 miles a year in Arizona is probably useless to me.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,692
    re: Arizona---driving 3,000 miles a year at 45 mph isn't how I drive. I would like data on cars being driven the way I would drive mine. I would tend to stress a car more. I need a car that can take some hard use, day in and day out. I've got 23,400 miles on my 2006 Scion already, with highway, city traffic, dirt roads and rain and salt air (I live right near the beach). Also my car's my living, and I am often 100 miles from the barn on any given day. I can't afford to break down.

    So data on leisurely use in dry Arizona climate is really of no use to me, as you can see.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,734
    How did Arizona get into this anyhow? Is there some hidden context I missed?

    This message has been approved.

  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,075
    A Lexus LS handles just like my old Park Avenue. I took a Lexus LS430 out for a test drive expecting some kind of epiphany due to all the hype. Heck, it felt and handled just like a Buick - nothing more, nothing less.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    If GM built cars in China (Especially the high end Buick and Caddilac models) I think there would be TREMENDOUS backlash from the public. Not talking about importing parts to be assembled here, but importing whole cars. Autoblog had a post about GM's Chinese design studios may design future Buicks because of their popularity there, and most of the posters were upset, because they felt the next logical step would be to just bring the Chinese Buicks here, because it would be cheaper, and nobody liked that idea. This is why the major foreign companies opened up shop here: so people would be able to overcome the fact they "bought foreign" when in fact these cars are assembled right here. Look at the money Toyota spent advertising the Tundra being built in Texas, totally ignoring the fact that a lot of Tundras are built in Indiana (after all what's more American than Texas :P ). The foreign companies want us to know they make it here with OUR labor, not theirs. Small, cheap cars are on the fringe and companies can get away with importing them. Even Hyundai makes it's more expensive cars here.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    At that rate your car should last about 8 years before you have to buy a new clutch?? If you're driving an auto-tranny I don't know how long the transmission will last, because I like stick shift and have always tried to buy that way

    I had to replace my transmission at 160,000 miles, but I was driving 300 miles a day. I drive a Toyota Corolla
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,568
    At that rate your car should last about 8 years before you have to buy a new clutch??

    Well that would depend on how much city stop and go driving he does. Someone like me driving in the traffic we have here I seriously doubt I could get half that on a clutch in my daily drive.

    I had to replace my transmission at 160,000 miles,

    I had a Chevy that went almost 300K miles on the same tranny. that is until the guy who bought it from me "accidently" put it in reverse going 60 MPH.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Perhaps it does,but a Lexus is still a better buy than a Cadillac, by far.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,568
    I would hazard to guess that that would depend on the person doing the buying.

    Personally if you gave me a Lexus I would crush it into a cube and send it back to you COD.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Snakeweasel-
    Keep in mind I have a $7,000 Toyota Corolla (that's what I paid for it) That amount of miles to me is a what you'd find on most ten year old cars, so the fact I had to replace the tranny at 160,000, I don't think is too bad. And damn, I drove that car hard. I tortured it with driving. 300 miles per day is too much for a car like mine. I have not had anything weird go wrong with the car, like brake manifolds falling off or water pump failing, or head gaskets blowing, etc...crankshaft suddenly falling, etc..
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    The money you have saved driving that Corolla that far, should allow you to buy a new LS460 cash. If I had that kind of luck with a Toyota I would be a fan also. Of the 4 Toyotas I have been involved with none were close to that reliable. Luck of the draw I guess.
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