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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?



  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    My wife does not like the angular lines on the Cadillacs. I guess it appeals to a younger crowd. I drove the 2007 Escalade which was very nice. Except the seats are so much harder than the 2006 and older models. The one I drove was near $70k and the 2006 with 21k miles was $40k. Too big of a hit for me to accept. That is what I am seeing with all the big luxury SUVs. Including the Lexus that is supposed to have great resale.

    Yeah, that is a heck of a drop in one MY :surprise:

  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    That is the way it used to be believed that company's with quality problems went with the longer warranties, but that is not the case with GM. The longer warranty in GM's case is to help win back customers who feel that foreign cars have better reliabilty and to show better value for their money. GM doesn't have a engine quality or reliability issue and based on GM's warranty claims the last 10 years they felt that this would not effect their bottom line because there haven't been to many warranty claims in this area.

    Isuzu, Suzuki, and Chrysler are others who extended their warranties without the Hyundai fine print making the warranty void if selling or trading in before the 10 year powertrain warranty expired.

    I see the trend continuing with Toyota joining the field in the next couple of years. Could it be that Toyota's recent slide in reliability/recalls have given them reason to not implement right now?
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    You are allowed to transfer Hyundai's warranty to "1" owner and the transaction has to take place within' 30 days.

    I talked to a Hyundai, customer service representative a few days ago asking about the Genesis, and asking about discounts I might be elgible for if I were to ever buy a Hyundai, product since my father's company Delphi Corporation builds Fuel Injection systems for Hyundai.
    I was told that's the warranty rule on Hyundai/Kia brands.

  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I am not sure I know what you are saying. A Hyundai owner after buying their car has 30 days to decide to sell to another buyer and the 10 years powertrain warranty stays in effect?

    All I know is the Hyundai/Kia powertrain warranty is only good for the original owner or immediate family member only. That is what it says, and that is what Hyundai had counted on thinking that people don't keep vehicles that long.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    No, What I'm saying is if you buy the car and drive let's say 30,000 miles on it over 3 years. You can sell it to whoever and then the next owner has 30 days to get the HPP transferred into his/her name and they have to pay a small fee for transfer cost. I think it's like $30-40 bucks.

    The car's HPP is only allowed to be transferred once. ;)

    I will try to get you a link, so hold on....brb

    Okay here it is......

  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Only the Hyundai Sonata ranks at the top for initial quality. Hyundai as a whole is no where toward the top.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    10 YEAR / 100,000 MILES POWERTRAIN PROTECTION Covers most engine & transaxle components.

    Covers repair or replacement of powertrain components (i.e. selected Engine and Transmission/Transaxle components), originally manufactured or installed by Hyundai that are defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance. Coverage applies to Original Owner only effective with 2004 Model Year and newer model year vehicles. On 1999-2003 Model Years, coverage applies to Original Owner and immediate family members (i.e. wife, husband, daughter, son, stepdaughter, stepson).

    Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5 year / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Excludes coverage for vehicles in commercial use (i.e. taxi, route delivery, delivery service, rental, etc.).

    5 YEAR / 60,000 MILES NEW VEHICLE LIMITED WARRANTY Covers nearly every new vehicle component

    Covers repair or replacement of any component manufactured or originally installed by Hyundai that is defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance.

    Following components covered for time and mileage limits indicated:
    - Radio And Sound Systems (i.e. radio, cassette tape drive mechanism, and compact disc player): 3 years / 36,000 miles
    - Paint: 3 years/ 36,000 miles
    - Battery: 3 years / unlimited miles (100% covered 2 years / unlimited miles; after 2 years and within 3 years, 25% cost of battery and 100% labor cost covered)
    - Air Conditioner Refrigerant Charge: 1 year / unlimited miles
    - Adjustments: 1 year / 12,000 miles
    - Wear Items: 1 year / 12,000 miles (e.g. belts, brake pads & linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper blades, bulbs, fuses)

    But this one says only the original owner has the powertrain warranty and once he sells the warranty ends. They customer service guy I spoke to told me the warranty could be transferred once. :confuse:

    The 5/60K warranty can be transferred to the next owner.

    If that is true I'd rather have the GM, warranty as the next owner can get any of the remaining coverage left and their is no restriction on transfer. ;)

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Are you sure ? I though last year Hyundai, ranked right next to Porsche and Lexus :confuse:

    I know Cadillac and Buick was ranked up there also.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    I will say this, my Elantra has been the most reliable car I have ever had.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    So your Elantra, was the "Cadillac" of reliabilty. :P

    How reliable is your CTS-V ? Any problems with it ?

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    So your Elantra, was the "Cadillac" of reliabilty.

    Well nothing went wrong with it for the first 120+K miles (except regular maintence).

    How reliable is your CTS-V ? Any problems with it ?

    Well in reality its to early to say how reliable it is, the car rarely gets out. Its pretty much a date car for me and the wife. So it usually just gets out on the weekends, this week I haven't driven it but will take it out today going to the daughters house. So far we have a little over 11K miles on it, at this rate it will take about 20 years to get to 100K miles.

    So so far no issues.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well that is good to hear...... :)

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,677
    I would like to invest in more companies with problems like Toyota

    Investing in Toyota today would be like buying a house in CA at the current over inflated prices. A losing proposition. I would buy back some shares of GM that I sold a few years ago, before buying TM. You should have bought Toyota 2 or 3 years ago at half the price of today.

    Here is the CNN Money take on Toyota stock.

    Running out of gas?

    Investors willing to get behind the wheel of Toyota's stock aren't likely to lose their shirt. But it may be like taking a drive in a Corolla, an efficient but relatively unexciting ride.

    It is hard for me to understand with your background, how you can get excited about an appliance car like Toyota builds. I rented a Camry and a Malibu recently. I can not tell the difference. They were both just cheap cars to use on vacation. Neither was as nice as my 18 year old LS400. They will both be recycled at least 3 times in the next 18 years.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    That's what I meant...I bought it years ago and I'm very pleased with Toyota's success. No, I wouldn't buy the stock now as Toyota is at the top of its game. But I wouldn't buy GM stock either. I have zero faith in GM management at this point.

    I'm not "excited" at all about Toyota products, I'm just impressed with their success. They are rolling over everyone like a freight train it seems. I don't see anyone stopping them in the immediate future.

    But as you say, the auto business is like the Wild West, you never know when you're going to run into a faster gun and end up in the dirt. Many of the mighty have fallen in the past.

    Which is, of course, kind of the subject of this topic.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    my dishwasher runs silently. far quieter than the Seville at cruise.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    why everyone thinks the Cimarron was so bad. I don't think it was a bad little car for the time. I will agree that it was not much of a "Cadillac", but it had a much nicer interior than the other 4 versions. The Cimarron's interior may have been nicer than the CTS's.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    that the 8-6-4 engine was a maintainence hog, not unlike a Mercedes 600. The 4100 engine was, I think, much worse though, until they finally (after a few years) figured out the problem and fixed it. The Cimarron may have been the only Cadillac without major engine troubles in the 1980's.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    Great Question!

    Let me ask you, if you don't mind---were you old enough at the time to sort of witness or experience the Cimmaron in "real life"? It was really an embarrassment of a car, not only to Cadillac, but to the American auto industry. When it came out, everyone knew it was just a tarted up Chevrolet, and the styling, appointments, ergonomics and running gear---it was all hopelessly outdated.

    Cimarron was almost a National Lampoon parody of an American car at its worst.

    And just so you know I'm not making this up, the legend of the Cimarron lives on to this day:

    Check out this website on "crap cars":

    Or this one on "automotive atrocities": - - - 760317879

    The car was heavily ridiculed in the media at the time of introduction. It was a sad, sad commentary, and I didn't enjoy watching it happen either, as an automobile enthusiast and as someone who remembered the glory days of the American car in the 60s, and Eisenhower in his 50s Eldorado or Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio cruising down Wilshire Blvd in their Caddy convert or Elvis giving away Cadillacs to his roadies and toadies.

    I remember being really PO'd at GM for doing this. It looked to me at the time like deliberate murder of a famous brand name. It seemed like a senseless decision, or a desperate one.

    I can still remember talking to this old used car guy named Herb Zisser. Great guy. He had a little lot in San Francisco. One day about two weeks after the Cimmaron "debuted", we were sitting around talking and we heard sirens in the streets. He turned to me with a sly grin and said: "Hear that? That's an ambulance going to another Cadillac dealer".

    True story.

    And amazingly enough you still see Cimarron comments, even in 2007, in blogs and auto magazines whenever a car company decides to come out with a cheap re-badged model.

    I don't think enough people appreciate what a fatal blow the Cimarron was to Cadillac prestige and how it is STILL rippling out there in people's consciousness.

    It was to my mind Cadillac's "Pearl Harbor", only difference being the fleet was scuttled by its own admiral.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,677
    My folks got rid of their Cimarron very quickly. Actually I think it was repossessed.

    It is my understanding that much of this rebadging etc is a result of the CAFE rules on mileage averages imposed on each brand. I could be wrong. That is the only reason I can imagine for the Cimarron, "C" MB or the IS Lexus.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    Possible, but unlike Benz or Lexus, to make a Cadillac into a Cavalier seemed like a very desperate act---provoking the question: how could GM have put itself into THAT kind of situation?

    I really don't know why they did it. CAFE sounds like the theory of apologists, but no answer is simple, so maybe there's at least something to of a combination of factors?

    You might find this website interesting. I really enjoyed reading it. disasters.html

    The author posits that Cadillac was trying to lure BMW 3-Series buyers with the J-body/based Cimarron. Now that is pathetic if true.
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