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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The Allante sold at a rate of 3000 per year for the 7 years that it was in production. It was a FWD two passenger Cadillac based on the Eldorado platform. The Reatta was very similar, in that it was basically a two passenger version of the Riviera. Why GM put both into production is not clear to me. Why they thought shipping the Allante to Italy would make it a better car is also not clear to me.

    Both the Allante and Reatta were aimed at the two passenger luxury car market. I am sure GM expected to sell them to GM owners who wanted a two passenger luxury sporty model. I don't think they expected to owners of European luxury sporty models to trade them for one of the GM models.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,707
    Since I'm not above average width, I wonder if the Accord seats that I tested were made to give that feeling intentionally. I don't like it. I love the cloth and the leather seats in my full-sized cars. Others are welcome to their preference as long as they accept mine as one choice.

    Cadillac seats are superb.

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  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    caddy better be superb in every way when compare to a sub $20k accord
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    Apparently you're fine with GM using the U.S.A. public as "guinea pigs"

    And Toyota didn't do the same with the hybrids that stalled while cruising down the Interstate? C'mon you have probably never owned a GM vehicle and most likely not a Cadillac. How does driving a Corolla 160k miles make you an expert on GM failures?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    Your "I remember" intro speaks volumes. What happened 55 years ago has nothing to do with want people want today when it comes to cars.

    Retro seems to be doing well. Take the PT Cruiser and HHR.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    "Disgusting......GM cars are what you buy when you are down. I hope I'm never that down again."

    That is pretty sad if thats really the way you think.

    If I were to buy a Toyota and had the so called problems that you had (Yes, read the Toyota forums for the complaints), I surely wouldn't be going to their forum crying foul and taking personal issue with the company. Based on your commentary I bet if this happened to your Toyota you would probably buy one again without jumping ship.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    There's some server hiccup being looked at that's causing some posts to get repeated. We're leaving the dupes for the IT folks to troubleshoot.

    Mediapusher, one reason the Escalade means Caddy to me more than the CTS is because I have trouble with the numeric names. I'd have to go find a photo to remind myself what the CTS looks like - the 'slade is lodged in my memory.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    So the truth finally leaks out. Did you slip up ?

    mediapusher, you always sounded like you owned more than one GM, car. The Grand-Am was a economy car back in 94'. Unfortunately, the Pontiac Grand-Am was a bad car. :(

    I can't think of a bad Cadillac, made since 94' ;)

    Rocky
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    Actually, I find my father's Buick Park Avenue seats to be nice, too. I really like the heated seats feature.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    Geeze! I didn't know I had it so bad! I have no credit card debt, no car debt, and no other debt besides a very modest mortgage payment. I have a well-paying job and even a decent part-time gig. If how I live is being down, being up must be absolutely mind-blowing! I guess I was down every time I bought a new Cadillac - January 1989, November 1993, and January 2002. Hard times indeed!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    I am with you. Being out of debt is the most refreshing feeling I know of. I will never pay another nickel in interest for a vehicle. Money down the toilet. Maybe a small home mortgage as long as the interest is deductible.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,487
    Much to my surprise and horror, my father leased a new Caddy Catera (If I remember, a giveaway lease and he knew it was not so much a Caddy as a Europen Opel. He always dug Euro cars...).

    And he truly enjoyed driving it. He found it smooth, comfortable, liked the interior and thought it to be of adequate power. A great car to cruise in from FL to CT. This, of course, was when he was able to drive it. No more Caddy for him as the Catera spent A LOT of time in the shop. Unfortunately for Caddy/GM, the reliability of the Catera reinforced the perception of (poor) GM quality for him. Rather than the revelation of driving a GM product that he enjoyed caused him to rethink his position.

    I had one GM (Olds) car, in the early '90s, a company car. It struck me as basically the same car they had been building since the late '70s. At 11,000 miles the gas tank developed a severe leak. The tank had split at the top! Thanks, GM. Replaced with a Mercury Sable in '92. Nothing too bad to say other than a bit loud and underpowered. But much more to my liking than the Olds. And then a '95 Dodge Intrepid. Great style in and out. Poor build quality and much wind/road noise. But reliable. Lost job, kept car and had a good enough overall experience to:

    Yet, my mind has widened since I went crazy and bought a '99 Chrysler 300M. Loved it, no major issues. Restored my faith in domestics. Will check out the '08 CTS for consideration to replace my very cool '05 TL some day. If the evil wife lets me, that is... :cry:

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    One can't help but giggle at the idea that the 8-6-4-2-0 Caddy engine was a good engine or that the Catera was a good car.

    Here's what Edmunds has to say about V-8-6-4 variable displacement V8:

    Infamy came in 1981 with the introduction of the V-8-6-4 variable displacement V8. Based on the 6.0-liter Cadillac V8, the V-8-6-4 theory was that individual cylinders would be electronically shut down as engine loads varied; a V8 for acceleration, a V6 for moderate loads and a V4 during cruise. It would have been nice — if it had worked. Instead, it was a mechanical nightmare only slightly less embarrassing than the ongoing diesel debacle.
    Generations

    Saying that it was a good engine except for the problems is like saying the Hindenburg was a good aircraft except for the fire. It's true enough, but.......

    As for the Catera, well... here's what actual owners had to say about them at carsurvey.org

    And here's what Edmunds review for the 2000 Catera said

    So, is the Catera still one of the top five most foolish cars made? No, the car has seen enough improvements while simultaneously benefiting from the creation of even more foolish cars (can you say Pontiac Aztek or Toyota Echo?)

    Full Test: 2000 Cadillac Catera

    Again, gentlemen, you're entitled to opinions, but you're not entitled to rewrite history.....
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,707
    The CTS was a top selling car. It's reliability has always been average. Cadillac is fine with that...
    ***

    Because... the CTS cost half what the imports do to repair. Compare the cost of say, even rotors on a 5 series or E-Class. Holy cow - they want HOW much? Or a transmission rebuild. $5K sounds like a bargain to me...

    See, the CTS you can safely OWN where the BMW you have to lease in order to keep from being eaten alive.

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    Oh - and Mediapusher, I *knew* your story sounded like the typical "I had a bad GM car back in the middle ages and I know it's all crap - it always will be!" reaction we see all the time here.

    The only car GM makes that's as bad as the best cars they made back then is maybe the Cobalt or Aveo. Things have improved a lot since the early 90s.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    There must be a few icons in these Cadillac ads.

    Check out the Classic Car Bonanza Straightline blog for lots more old car pics and ads.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,358
    75% North American parts content in a Cobalt. This per the window stickers, and in several places on the 'net. Wrong yet again, mediapusher.

    Bill
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    ...Cadillac tried three times for a small car and finally got it right.

    Cimmaron - Strike One!
    Catera - Strike Two!
    CTS -HOME RUN!!!
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Except that the CTS isn't a small car by any definition.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,707
    There are still a lot of Cateras around here. I think the owners just view them as BMW-like autos as far as maintainance. You gotta give 'em maintenance.

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  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The first small Cadillac was the mid-70's Seville, which was small compared to the 75-76 Deville. The downsized 77 Cadillacs were still bigger than the Seville, but the difference was smaller. The Seville was on a 114 inch wheelbase and 204 inches long by 72 wide. The Deville was on a 130 inch wheelbase and 231 inches long by 80 wide. The later 70's deVille's were about 10 inches shorter. The all new 1980 Seville was a bit longer than the first generation, but nearly the same size.

    Cadillac then wanted a compact car in the early 80's, which was the Cimarron. This car was a re-badged Cavalier, and was not much of a Cadillac. It would have been much better to have made the second generation Seville smaller than the first generation, but then it would not have been an E-body/platform model.

    The Catera was a hurry up quick, Cadillac needs a sport sedan to compare with the Lincoln LS. The Catera was not a compact car like the Cimarron. The CTS was a replacement for the Catera, which was a place holder, while Cadillac designed a real Cadillac sports sedan. We now have the CTS and STS sports sedans, plus a fairly good sports utility vehicle in the SRX.

    The point is that the first Seville was a small Cadillac, followed by a Cimarron. The Catera and CTS are not small Cadillacs, but really are sports sedans, something else entirely.
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