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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • Agreed. The Europeans and Japaneses are much higher in terms of standard luxury/performance/quality

    Truer words have never been spoken.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    Cadillac and other GM vehicles still have a way to go in improving interior design and luxury as far as their materials are concerned.

    The new CTS and revised STS interiors are but a step in the right direction. The ergonomics in Cadillacs have been improving as well.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,258
    I know parts are available...that's not my point.

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,258
    Perhaps Caddy should import a BMW or Merc-based platform to gain ground like they are doing for the G-8 out of Aussie Land.

    That'll give 'em a jump start for sure!

    Regards,
    OW
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    Perhaps Caddy should import a BMW or Merc-based platform to gain ground like they are doing for the G-8 out of Aussie Land.

    First of all, GM OWNS Holden, and part of GM's restructuring has been to marry these foreign divisions w/ US divisions to streamline the design process, as well as share global platforms to cut costs.

    What good would striking a deal w/ BMW or Mercedes do. Then people would say Caddy couldn't cut the mustard and had to buy from the Germans to compete w/ them.
    I believe the biggest gripe the car mags had w/ the CTS in comparison w/ the 3 series was that it was too big (heavy). But the CTS gives you a 5 series sized car for a 3 series price. Yet they don't think it would be fair to compare the 5 w/ the CTS because the 5 comes w/ equiptment not available on the CTS because of the price difference. So I think it would be fair to say that Caddy gives you the same quality car for the same price as BMW, only the BMW handles better because it's smaller, and the Caddy is more comfortable to ride in because it's bigger. And don't give me any bs about quality, because the Germans have had their fair share of quality bugs as of lately.
  • jkr2106jkr2106 Posts: 231
    Cadillac doesn't even offer that on their Escalade, matter of fact they still use solid rear axles, and OHC engines.

    OHC...puhleeze. GM/Cadillac would never use such an inferior engine on its flagship SUV. They went with the more potent OHV design.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,258
    Your assessment is fair. I just have a different opinion and until 2008, Caddy wasn't in the same league as the rest of the global luxury leaders let alone the standard. In all areas as previously noted, IMO of course.

    Regards,
    OW
  • You are funny...tomato....tomatoe...Point is, the rest of the world uses DOHC ENGINES AND INDEPENDENT SUSPENSIONS AND GM DOESN'T. someone needs to let GM know that this is 2008 not 1978.
  • I agree with you, I am disapointed in GM putting the bare minimun in the Escalade ans selling it at the same prices as competitors. GM didn't even put a air filtration system in the new Escalade. Compared to the QX, GL, and Land Rover, people have a clear choice of which SUV not to choose. Hopefully GM will do more with the Escalade in the future.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    Wow! Your aunt also has a 1988 Buick Park Avenue? Great car, huh? Unlike today's vehicles, the headlight assembly on the 1988 Buick Park Avenue is actually GLASS and won't fog or yellow with age. I was able to buy a new grille this past December after some idiot backed into the car and cracked it.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    The only thing that will be jumping is me jumping the Cadillac ship for some other make if they start rebadging unreliable and atrociously expensive Bimmers and Mercs as Cadillacs. At least I can depend on my Cadillacs to get me to work and without a vicious financial wallet-raping.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    hold it right there:
    My SRX has a DOHC V8 and an independent rear suspension. It also does not have McPherson struts.

    The Escalade is a rebadged Chevy anyhow and not a real Cadillac.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,258
    The Escalade is a rebadged Chevy anyhow and not a real Cadillac.

    How true it is. Nice for a truck but not the World Standard for SUV's in terms of overall performance, style and luxury.

    Regards,
    OW
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    It also does not have McPherson struts.

    Really? I thought the CTS platform was front struts and multilink rear?
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    From cadillac.com:

    "Suspension & Handling
    Suspension 4-wheel independent design that utilizes a short/long arm, coil-over strut with anti-sway bar in front, and a modified multi-link with anti-sway bar and automatic rear level control system in the rear; both benefit from monotube performance shock absorbers "
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Struts, but at least they're coilovers.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    What is Mcpherson?

    It is a shock absorber that also contains the spring and is the action by which the wheel camber motion is controlled and is a structural component. A vehicle with an upper control arm and a lower control arm is not using a McPherson. Sure it is not the same as having the coil ride on the lower control arm but the camber action is driven by the control arms and therefore not a Mcpherson.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    I did find this:
    image

    Looks like some sort of Macpherson derivative with a pseudo-wishbone upper setup.
  • sensaisensai Posts: 129
    You are funny...tomato....tomatoe...Point is, the rest of the world uses DOHC ENGINES AND INDEPENDENT SUSPENSIONS AND GM DOESN'T. someone needs to let GM know that this is 2008 not 1978

    Wow, you better stop using those DOHC engines right out of the 1920s then. At least the OHV engines are more modern :)
  • What GM uses is outdated, they still use pushrods in this day and age....push rods. It is not rocket science why Japanese cars last longer...less parts. Mean a less likely chance of break down. GM knows this, but it costs too much (they say) to meet the standards of the world. Nissan, Toyota, BMW, and Mercedes and every other manufacturer in the world are more than happy to accomodate us with world standards.
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