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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,253
    Now please compare sales percent trends globally to see who is winning the car wars! It will be interesting to see in a down year who has the most market sahre of the high end global manufacturers.

    Regards,
    OW
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476


    Replying to: circlew (Mar 07, 2008 10:52 pm)
    Actually, the only German luxury cars that aren't entirely luxury cruisers would be the entry-level ones (335i, A4, etc) or M-Series/AMG variants. The S-Class and 5 and 7-Series sedans are no more spirited in their dynamics than a Lucerne or DeVille.


    If you really believe that then you have obviously never driven a 5 series or a 7 series.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Yes, the Caddy has way more quality and durability than those German yachts!

    I agree completely! I just would rather drive than lounge! It's worth the extra cash to fix it every week for the pure driving enjoyment.

    Some get everything from Cadillac and some don't!


    Lucky for you Caddy makes models for you that are no longer the old US mainstream lounge riders. The CTS and the STS offer the same ride and handling characteristics of the Geman imports.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,253
    I liked the last generation STS. When I attended the 2005 NYAS I sat in an STS then a 7 series. Somehow the 7 felt magical and the Caddy quite ordinary.

    Besides, the STS is history anyway. The CTS is the only car with performance potential that might carry on. Who knows? They might discontinue just as I am warming to the fact that they are finally making a decent model.

    I'll take a Corvette fo the weekend, though.

    Regards,
    OW
  • pmc4pmc4 Posts: 198
    I don't have to drive the premium German cars; I let others do the driving for me. For example, here's what C/D says about the BMW 6 and 7-Series:
    The 6-Series:
    "2007 BMW 650i - An Above Average Driving Machine, But Not Really the Ultimate."
    "Not as impressive as its skidpad performance is the way the 650i feels when driven hard. The clutch and the shifter are Jenny Craig-lite, almost too much so for a few of our test drivers, and as perfectly matched to the smooth 4.8-liter V-8 as golden sponge cake is to light, creamy filling. But when the road starts turning, things get flabby."
    "A 53/47 front-to-rear weight distribution is less balanced than most Bavarians parked in our lot, and despite its high lateral limits, the 650i's chassis isn't as talkative as others from BMW. Pushed past 8/10ths on a rough road, the 650i is scary. Suspension movements get frantic, and the slightly numb steering refuses to tell the driver exactly what the front tires are doing to keep things planted and pointed down the road."
    "Driven fast, the 650i feels every fraction of its 73-inch width and 190-inch length. A hope and a prayer might do the trick, but the most reassuring way to handle this coupe in the twisties is to dial the speedo down a few notches, and that's not something we like to say or do."
    The 7-Series:
    "Which brings us to the 750i's downside... It is so adept at quickly covering ground... and so quiet, smooth, and compliant doing so that the experience has become more numbing than involving. Whereas the previous-generation 7 was the big-sedan epitome of creating a driver-to-machine relationship, the current-generation car... is proficient at taking the driver to new performance levels without the driver's really feeling as if he were part of the process. ...But it seems that a BMW should drive more like a BMW and not like an extremely capable, extremely quick Lexus."
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,253
    ...every car has it's issues.

    Edmunds take on the 7:

    Even though it tends toward the esoteric, the current BMW 7 Series has proven quite popular, largely because of its superb driving experience. Here BMW has applied its arsenal of technology to great advantage, as features like self-stiffening antiroll bars, self-leveling air springs and adaptive shock absorbers work together to keep the big sedan stable when driven hard. In addition, all 7s have BMW's trademark steering feel, such that the driver feels an unquantifiable connection to the car.


    Here is another from "The Truth About Cars"

    The 750i is a bit like a newly retired boxer; it's not quite as sharp as it was, but it's still a Hell of a lot sharper than anyone but world heavyweight contenders. BMW needs to recognize what the brand's supposed to be and build a Club Sport 7-Series– if only to prove a point. (Remember: ultimate driving came first, luxury clocked-in later.) The Boys from Bavaria should lower the 7's suspension, fatten-up those wheels, slot in a six-speed manual, lose the iDrive, ditch the sound deadening, amp-up the exhaust and away we go.

    That is why BMW teamed with Alpina to create the B7 which will toast everything in it's class...again, if you like driving.

    No car is perfect just better in a particular category.

    In the end, you buy what you like. As far as the standard for luxury, it is really in your own mind.

    Regards,
    OW

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,253
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    Regards,
    OW
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Does the new CTS come in any colors other than red and silver? Those seem to be the only two that ever get tested. I was kinda hoping they'd get the AWD version.

    As for the BMW, it's not bad either but those wheels look better on the S2000 CR. :P
  • pmc4pmc4 Posts: 198
    What's an interesting observation is that the STS was never meant to compete with the 7-Series/S-Class, yet auto journalists still make the comparison.
    The CTS was never meant to compete with premium sedans like the 5-Series or Infiniti M45, but auto jpurnalists are still comparing the two.
    In fact, Car and Driver recently compared the 2008 CTS to the 2008 Infiniti M45, a car in a higher class. Regardless of price, guess which car Car and Driver picked? THe more expensive Infiniti?
    Nope! The Cadillac CTS! Only a brand that can rightly be called the "Standard of the World" can do that...
    Car and Driver: 2008 Standard of the World beats the 2008 Infiniti M45.

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  • pmc4pmc4 Posts: 198
    EVEN WITH PICTURES CLEARLY SHOWING A GORGEOUS RED CADILLAC AND AN CHEAP, UGLY TAXI YOU STILL PREFER THE TAXI! WHY???

    What's interesting to note is the Forum Moderator posted the pic of that Caddy not just a regular Joe on this message board.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,707
    No Thanks. I'll take the Cadillac.

    This message has been approved.

  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,253
    I just like to drive. The CTS is getting better but still needs to grow (read refine)!

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,253
    Your very welcome. You can have it.

    Regards,
    OW
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    If they keep slipping and don't turn it around then maybe caddy or someone else will take the lead but it hasn't happened yet.

    I think Infiniti will get there first; they're pretty close already. It should be interesting to see what they do for the M50, and what if anything Cadillac does for a CTS V8.
  • pmc4pmc4 Posts: 198
    Just go drive a 535i sometime and then maybe you will understand a little better."

    You might have made the same comment about the 328i or be even closer to the point with the 1-Series.

    As with all BMW products, their most economical is always also the funnest to drive, but the 7-Series is the best car.

    I don't care what you and circlew says, driving dynamics suitable for a small, agile, fun-to-drive car with "Stunning chassis, superb reflexes, telepathic steering" and the other goofy adjectives Car and Driver magazine throws at small cars that are nimble and economical do not make the luxury sport sedan. This is why the CTS is beating the BMW 3-Series; the world is tired of small, nimble, fun-to-drive cars dressed in goofy adjectives by the press -- cars that don't cut it when real sport and real luxury and substance is brought into the equation.

    Fall in love with silly journalism like, "The BMW has steering that's so precise, the steering rack seems wrapped in fine silk imported from China" all you want, but in the end, you'll be paying off a $499 lease on a car that's considered basic transportation for taxi fleets elsewhere on the globe.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,253
    I fell in love with the drive. I love paying extra for the top of the line everything!

    Regards,
    OW
  • pmc4pmc4 Posts: 198
    THere's no way an E-Class (read: European taxi, which is this):

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    Can touch this:

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  • pmc4pmc4 Posts: 198
    "I fell in love with the drive. I love paying extra for the top of the line everything!"

    Actually it's not BMW that's "top of the line", it's Honda and the Civic si that's top of the line. And witht he Civic, you don't have to pay extra!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,913
    There's also no E-class sold in the spec of that (eight year old?) taxi on this continent...

    And there are a lot more E-class in that Caddy spec than the Caddy itself desired by buyers in every corner of the world...
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