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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • jkr2106jkr2106 Posts: 231
    Well it's not really a deal breaker (as a college student there's not much of a deal in the first place) but if I had my choice, remote start is not a good fit for me. I like the idea of walking to your car and driving off with the keys never leaving your pocket.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    My dream car right now which will never be produced is a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe AWD automatic.

    Ummm that CTC-V Coupe will be made around 2010 or 2011' their pal. Motor Trend has confirmed a CATS Coupe and only reasonable logic says a "V" version will be made of the coupe. ;) I'm probably going to wait for a CTS-V Sedan in 2009' as my next car. I could take the premature plunge on a 08' Model this summer but I need to get confirmation on when the CTS-V will be released. Will it come out in January of 08' as a 2009 model ? Or will it come out in the fall of 08' as a 09' Model. I might use my GM discount this summer get a 08' CTS and then sell it a year later and get a 09' CTS-V ;) I think I could break even doing that if not make a small profit ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    That is correct it may not be a automatic. I hope GM, will look at a DSG tranny real soon which are dual-clutch like used in Audi's/BMW 3/5 series/Mitsu EVO-X which can shift way faster than any human in a manual as they grab the next gear before releasing the current gear. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    I know that feature is nice and I'm not sure if that is impossible to do on the CTS ? Maybe 62' knows ? I think the STS you can do this in right ?

    Rocky
  • jkr2106jkr2106 Posts: 231
    That was my point: I won't get V--AWD--AUTO :sick:
    You never know, but I believe the current CTS-V is not available with auto, only the STS. AND both are RWD not AWD.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    No auto's in the current CTS-V, but the next one could have one. ;) AWD, is available on the 08' CTS but I doubt it will be on the "V".

    I do have a easy solution to solve your problems pal and I'm serious. Buy a 2008' Cadillac CTS AWD which I think only comes with a automatic only with AWD anyways. Buy you a couple of Turbo's or Supercharger + Chip and you will have CTS-V power for less than a CTS-V and it will be configured to your liking. ;)

    So I am sort of a Mr. Obvious ;)

    Rocky
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    My suggestions would be used Bonnevilles, Olds Aurora's, Buick Rivera's from 95-99, Cadillac's Sevilles, Devilles, Eldorado's, CTS's

    For someone that might have limited funds for REPAIRS, consider checking Consumer Reports(CR) for best buys in used cars in different price ranges. Some of the older GMs do not have best reliability records according to CR.

    Regarding another post on features on upcoming CTS: While lots of features include latest technology, wonder about how well these features age. New Caddy owner should not have to be concerned about reliability of these since warranty in effect. But, wonder how reliable all the gadgets will be to used car buyers wanting a 5-10 year old car.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    Any aging car will need more repairs than a new one. However, if repairs are a worrysome item, then buying an aging car with minimal "stuff" (power this and that) will help. I think that an owner of an aging vehicle can minimize repair costs by keeping a close eye on fluid levels (oil, coolant, power steering fluid, transmission fluids........). My 2002 Seville has been very good so far, but is just entering the 5 year age group. Anyone that buys this age of Seville will probably get it for about $15,000 now, but this car listed at more than $50,000 new. So, what you save by buying used will leave you with $10's of thousands for repair costs. I think $10,000 would go a long way on repairs.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Except that the bank won't finance a credit line for repairs as easily as they will finance a 36-month lease on a new car.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Any aging car will need more repairs than a new one.

    True.

    I usually buy new, and would be very leery of buying "any" used 5-10+ year old vehicle loaded with every conceivable option and gadget.

    And, there is "degree" or amount of repairs and how serious. According to CR, not all car brands/models are created equally. Being this is a Cadillac board, I have seen more black circles for Cadillac than for Lexus in CR. According to CR info then, Cadillac of the past (used cars), might be more trouble prone. Seems that Lexus set the standard for reliability and hopefully Cadillac/GM can match it.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,250
    >Consumer Reports(CR) for best buys in used cars in different price ranges. Some of the older GMs do not have best reliability records according to CR.

    I don't trust CR because of their lack of thorough presentation of their data. While CR may hint on some models, foreigns included, as to trends in repair problems, the wise used buyer might ask a trusted mechanic about different cars of age at different prices and the likelihood of troublesome repairs beyond the typical. I.e., sludge in Toyotas and VWs. Spending a $100 to have a trusted mechanic inspect a car for you before purchase is probably the best insurance. They might get a cheaper priced vehicle without the aura pricing that will as serviceable or more serviceable than the popular car.

    CR is not the Bible in as it's like asking an Edmunds reviewer whether they prefer the S2000, Boxster, Solstice.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    CR is not the Bible in as it's like asking an Edmunds reviewer whether they prefer the S2000, Boxster, Solstice.

    It might be better than the Bible. Some have said that Bible is based on heresay. CR info based on facts/data (not opinions) collected from actual owners of vehicles.

    Edmunds road tests also include data from various road tests that can be used to make comparisons on performance of vehicles. So, there is more than just opinion in Edmunds.

    My trusted mechanics/techs are at Honda dealer (20 years), Acura and Nissan dealers. Should I ask one of them for an opinion on a used Caddy that I might be interested in?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,250
    >for an opinion on a used Caddy that I might be interested in

    Yup, they might be more knowledgeable than you think. Otherwise you need to get out more and meet other mechanics. ;)

    >CR info based on facts/data (not opinions) collected from actual owners of vehicles.

    That depends on how much one understands about statistics and data collection and margin of errors. CR gives none of that and flavor the info with their own opinion, which while not hearsay, is still opinion. Ditto, Edmunds testers.

    In re Cadillac: this is the first five paragraphs of Edmund's tester's journalism about his car:

    The 2007 Cadillac DTS is 17 feet long. Yet somehow it is so easy to overlook.

    When was the last time you noticed one? The full-size 2007 DTS is also the Cadillac that's habitually marginalized by the automotive press as a holdover, old-school Caddy driven only by very old men who smell strongly of medicinal salves or livery-service drivers who smell strongly of Drakkar Noir.

    Certainly there is some truth to these stereotypes.

    Assuming it wasn't a taxi, the last car that picked you up at the airport probably was either a Lincoln Town Car or a Cadillac DTS. It was black. And it smelled. And the only privately owned DTS that you've seen that wasn't being driven by an old man with lumbago was painted Mary-Kay pink.

    (Incidentally, for the 2007 model year, Cadillac has modified the pink paint it uses on the Mary Kay DTS. "Mary Kay V is making everyone forget Mary Kay IV," says one Cadillac official. "Mary Kay IV is so 2006.")
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I can just feel the hate and bias from that tester. Wow. Next thing you know he/she will say that all those very old men who smell strongly of medicinal salves or livery-service drivers who smell strongly of Drakkar Noir. do not deserve to live and should be shot!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,250
    Same writer testing the Camry 2007 long term test. He threw this in about DTS's gas mileage as he marveled at 31 mpg for Camry from LA to Chicago (my leSabre would get 32-33 same trip fully loaded).

    P.S. The other thing I discovered in the EPA's listing of fuel economy: A Chrysler 300C SRT-8 is estimated to return 14/20 mpg City/Highway, or exactly the same fuel economy as a Cadillac DTS Funeral Coach/Hearse. Make of that what you will.--Daniel Pund, Senior Editor, Detroit at 12,295 miles.

    Sounds like GM is a permanent burr.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,013
    Actually it sounds like he's knocking the Chrysler as a death trap. No one expects a hearse to give good gas mileage.

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  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Death-trap? thinks you meant gas hog?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,013
    Well that's possible, too. In any event, to me the intent was to not flatter the SRT rather than diss the Cadillac.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,250
    I found another article by the same writer about the 2007 Camry. He uses the same 'arrogant journalist' writing style. But he's not nearly as negative as about the Cadillac.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    imidazol97,

    You found some pretty biased articles. It still amazes me people love the CR bible so much and parrot it's propoganda as only the truth. Any 10 year old car is subject for electrical failures as testing usually doesn't reach that far back into history. I don't care if it's a GM, Honda, Toyota, all older cars wear. I was pointing out one could get a nice used GM luxury car, buy a warranty and feel pretty secure about their investment. ;)

    Rocky
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,013
    But you can't get a warranty with a car that is too old or has too many miles, certainly not with any ten year old car (that I'm aware of).

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  • BeamerManBeamerMan Posts: 64
    May I enter this discussion. First Consumer reports is bull s--. They are in the pocket of Honda and Toyota. I am a nut for research and have not owned an American car in 30 years and am a baby boomer. Last car leased a bmw 5 series. I drove the Cadillac Sts and fell in love with it. I have had it for 3 weeks and it is great, good fit and finish, quiet. gorgeous interior love the rear wheel drive and forget snow I grew up on rear wheel drive cars. I got the base but still have all kinds of features, onstar with trip directions( they download to radio, my own voice activated cell with its own number, ONSTAR is incredible.

    Now the best news. As a Beamer leaser they sent me a 2000.00 coupon for the purchase, got 1000.00 for being a beamer owner, 2500.00 dealer cash and a rebate of 1500.00. I leased it no money down 424 a month for 36 months, 4 yet 50 k bumper to bumper that even covers tires. 6/100,000 drive train, I even got a call last evening from the plant manager at the factory that built it to ask if I liked the car. very nice touch. GM is on the way back and I am happy to help. Kudos to GM for getting their act together. I like buying American.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,018
    I will have to crunch the numbers to see if my GM, discount will cover the depreciation

    Not likely. I worked with a guy that bought a new car under his brother's discount every 2-3 years. He bought the same time I did in Summer of 05'. He went back to Michigan to PU his new Denali. When he got back home to Long Beach he found a dealer that would sell him the same vehicle for $1500 less than he paid. He was not happy. He also took a big hit on the 2 year old Yukon he sold. The family discounts are not what they used to be at GM.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    Ummm, I've heard of people getting warranty's on older cars. Maybe not 10 year old cars but 5-8 yr. old cars I have. Especially if the mileage is low. ;)

    Rocky
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    V12 Cadillac XLS

    I see someone decided to revive the old Twin-Six idea.
  • jkr2106jkr2106 Posts: 231
    It's so beautiful!!! :cry:
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,530
    "First Consumer reports is bull s--. "

    Based on?
    - Ray
    Very curious.....
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Based on?

    Other kinds of animial s---?

    :confuse:
  • gasman1gasman1 Posts: 321
    Nice! You got a sweet deal! I've had rebates before, but $7K. All I can say is, WOW! The call from the plant manager was a very nice gesture. Wish you (and GM) the best!
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,752
    Based on?

    Based on the fact that CR has given two different reviews to the exact same thing an many occasions (the only difference was the name on the product).

    Based on the fact that I have seen CR rate something as best and not even have what everyone else and their brother considers better in their rating.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

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