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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?



  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,411
    #4 is outstanding, #3 very good, #2 is god-awful, #1 is very 1980s, dated and clunky but not as unattractive as #2. At least #1 has some logic to it if nothing else.

    Can't see #4s dashboard very well but seems harmonious, and the interior looks like mid-luxury car.


  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,680
    Does anybody have pictures of the interiors in 80s Hondas, toyos, and Datsuns? Let's compare Allante with the others.

    Lets not, that was some 20 years ago and times change. Lets stay in the present.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Check your email box, Rock.

    Will do in a few ;) ......You know I always love e-mail from my ol' pal imidazol97 :blush:

    I honestly can't believe what I've read so far. My god being away for a week and thinking the note especially of this forum would be positive ????? Boy I was wrong !!!!! :sick:

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Rocky, stop putting words into my mouth, here's the original post, I can't find anywhere in there that I said a plumber is more "worthy" or important than a UAW worker:

    "lemko, by the way, have you forgotten to mention that the plumber uses his own money to buy equipments, transportation, and pay for advertisement. Also, he probably doesn't get jobs back to back so in other words he doesn't work 8 hour straight everyday from Monday to Friday like the UAW workers do.

    So again, let's stick with apples to apples okay?

    I am interesting to see the comparison between UAW workers' wages and import workers'. Does anyone know where I can find that information?"

    All that I was trying to point out is that UAW workers work on a fixed schedule, have a fix income and their medicare (as well as their family's) are covered by the company. Also they receive pension and 401K. On the other hand what does the plumbers have? They have to pay for everything out of their own pocket so to compare a UAW worker's wage to a plumber's is no way an apples to apples comparison.

    I may be a "domestics basher" or "imports lover" but I am by no means unreasonable.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I think the UAW plumber would take the $75 an hour if he had the clients of a well established plumber. The key is building up the reputation and sometimes it's easier just working in a factory as a plumber.

    Sorry, but I honestly wasn't trying to put words in your mouth but was observing. ;)

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011

    Thanx for the e-mail and find. :)

    Rocky ;)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    But The Allante is an old car.

    The Photos someone posted have Old versions of Ford/GM with newer versions of Hondas and Toyotas. What are the years on those, Snake?
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Naah, they're all circa 1990 (which means the actual design work was done around 1987-88).
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    Thanks for the response on the years. Can someone find photos of interiors on the Lincoln and whatever Caddy? that was that show the seats like in the other two.

    BTW what Caddy is that? I know that for a period having dashes that you could lay stuff on was popular but it doesn't look like any Cadillacs I've seen. I often browse through the (barely) used offerings at a Cadillac only lot in a small town nearby.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    I just saw a great ad for Mercedes S class cars. It used clearly stated image words and showed clear pictures of the best view of the car, profile. It even worked in the idea that you'll survive a crash in an S class that you wouldn't otherwise in a lesser car. But it was an ad that clearly knew its target viewer and respectfully addressed them.

    In contrast later I saw the ad for the Sebring with the outside panels looking flimsy and wrinkling up and down to show its innards. It actually turned me off with the skirts going up and down. The first views of the whole car were appealing because of the profile... Perhaps I'm not the target audience who like the wrinkling panels view.
  • That caddy is an Allante.
    Not sure what the lincoln is but my guess is a Town Car.
    The Lexus is a LS400 I think and the Acura is a Legend.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435

    Town Car

    british_rover got the models in the correct order.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    Those pictures show the seats and look much better. But the Allante cockpit with all those buttons doesn't work for me. I've always liked bench seats as in 55-45 in LeSabres.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The pictures of the interiors show the styling, but not the quality of the materials or the touch/feel. The early pictures I saw of the CTS (in Automobile) made the interior look quite nice, but did not show that the material was plastic looking with a plastic feel to it.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    I think Cadillac should build a V-16 FOUR door luxury car, in both short and long wheelbase. It should be glamorous and fast and should be filled with every conceivable gadget known to mankind. It will be a Maybach but with a plunging neckline and bulging muscles, not an undertaker's car.

    This car won't be for profit.

    GM has been reporting red ink in the past and complaining about retiree medical costs. Where will funds come from to build a "competent" V16 that would try to equal (surpass?) the Maybach? Think that greenies in US would go nuts making case of how wasteful V16 car would be in use of gasoline (even though only limited production). They would get traction on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Others would make case that engineering/development dollars would be better spent on improving their bread-and-butter vehicles or in funding retirees medical costs.

    GM and Cadillac could get more positive publicity and hopefully sales to follow if they would try to catch up to Honda and Toyota in providing hybrid/alternative fuel vehicles. They could also try to catch up to Honda in their CAFE numbers. Will they have a new CTS model hybrid like Lexus has for their luxury car line?

    Side issue: Understand that GM retiree medical costs are covered by union contracts. Wonder if GM will try to emulate many other companies that have shifted a lot of retiree medical premiums to the retirees when they discuss new upcoming contracts. This will help GM competitive position.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Side issue: Understand that GM retiree medical costs are covered by union contracts. Wonder if GM will try to emulate many other companies that have shifted a lot of retiree medical premiums to the retirees when they discuss new upcoming contracts. This will help GM competitive position.

    You think???
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    You think???

    Maybe too timidly. They will be afraid of a strike.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Maybe not as much as you would think. Come on over and read what is being said about it. The UAW is finally starting to get worried abouit their future here in the US. BUT, when GM announces its profits from the 4th quarter they may just hammer at GM and drive them back down to Chrysler/Ford level of profits.

    62vetteefp, "GM: General Model View, Market Share & Profit News" #1066, 16 Jan 2007 5:56 am
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    Strike may not be a good option for UAW these days in this area of the midwest. I don't know what it's like around other plants.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    Really, Cadillac's only card to play to gain more prestige is the glamor car, the exclusivity card. They don't have a heritage card and they don't have a racing card, but they do still have a history of American-style glamor and foreign owner "opulence". It was the car of "pleasure-seekers".

    You've got be be kidding. GM is in a prime position to pull a "Honda" on the luxury makes.

    What I mean by this is to build a somewhat close but much less expensive and mre reliable version of the same car. Honda did this during the 80s and it worked incredibly well. Build a car that's 80% as good as a GM or Ford(at the time), but price it for less and make it as reliable as a washing machine. And sales slowly gained momentum until it was pounding on the competition.

    It's not bling or glitz or some showcar. It's reliability that wins in the end. And currently, GM pounds on BMW, Mercedes, and Audi, and Mitsubishi. It's not Lexus or Acura yet, but it's also not as expensive, either.
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