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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    LOL! exactly. I want a car that I can drive, not just a car that I can look at. And believe me, I DRIVE....
    to Mexico,
    to Lake Tahoe, Calif.
    to Napa valley, CAlif.
    to Oregon,
    to Utah
    to Las Vegas, NV
    To San Diego, Calif
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    As long as the reason for buying a car for you is to look at it in the driveway or the auto repair shop; good for you!

    But if your goal is to purchase a vehicle that runs and drives, that you can actually use, then Lexus and Toyota are clearly superior choices to Cadillac.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    And Buicks and Cadillacs handle like Buicks and Cadillacs. That would mean SLOPPY. With the exception being the Cadillac CTS
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Where is Caddy? Caddy is where it should be ---> NOT EVEN ON THE RADAR
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    by louiswei Apr 06, 2007 (8:26 am)
    Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 06, 2007 8:19 am)

    I would say BMW is the standard of the world for performance in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    MB being the standard of the world for prestige in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    Lexus being the standard of the world for quality/reliability in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    Acura being the standard of the world for value (best bang for the bucks) in the "easily possessed" auto market.

    Where is Caddy?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,990
    I see your point but the statistics on the other hand don't support my experience any more than my experience supports the statistics. Every single damn one of my friends who has purchased a domestic vehicle has had some hassle with it---some worse than others, and yes, so have friends who purchased Passat and BMW....but, more to the point, every one of my friends (and me) who purchased Toyotas just turned the key and never saw another dealer except for an oil change.

    it's possible that it's like a battlefield where statistically casualties are only 1% but in my sector they are falling like flies!! :cry:

    So try as I may, it's very hard to believe in the abstract statistics when there is all this "evidence" around me.

    Call me crazy.... :D

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  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Where are the statistics coming from? How do we know whose reporting isn't biased? JDPowers and Consumer Reports have been accused of biased reporting, but who cares, anyone that's owned a Toyota or Honda, knows how great they are. And I'm a different breed. I like manual transmission, most people have automatic transmissions which may or may not have more mechanical problems.

    I've never seen a dealer again either (Toyota owner here) and I like it that way

    A person can statistic me all they want, it's not going to change my high regard for Toyota or Honda, because I've owned their cars and know how fine they are.
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    I see your point but the statistics on the other hand don't support my experience any more than my experience supports the statistics. Every single damn one of my friends who has purchased a domestic vehicle has had some hassle with it---some worse than others, and yes, so have friends who purchased Passat and BMW....but, more to the point, every one of my friends (and me) who purchased Toyotas just turned the key and never saw another dealer except for an oil change.

    it's possible that it's like a battlefield where statistically casualties are only 1% but in my sector they are falling like flies!!

    So try as I may, it's very hard to believe in the abstract statistics when there is all this "evidence" around me.

    Call me crazy....
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    No, perhaps he is entitled to his own PROPAGANDA, but not mistating the facts. It doesnt surprise me, coming from a GM defender.
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    Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 06, 2007 12:10 pm)

    Very funny, but last I looked Toyota was like #15 in vehicle reliabilty, and that is based on 2006 models. Buick and Cadillac both bested Toyota, while Lexus was at the top with Porsche and the other two mentioned.
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    Look Again

    Wasn't 2005 either

    Perhaps you prefer Forbes which factors in J.D Powers Ratings?

    Or Warranty Direct?
  • We get it, mediapusher. Japanese imports good. Domestics bad. Thank you.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    So what ever happened to GM's self proclaimed Malcolm Baldridge Award? LOL!! What a joke
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,990
    Presumably from owners surveys---but which owners, and for how long the ownership, and for WHAT problems....nobody ever seems to publish that data....the "context" of the survey.

    What I would like to know, as a prospective buyer, is this: what are my odds per 100 vehicles if I buy a new Cadillac, of having to go back to the dealer, within the *entire* warranty period. The "satisfaction upon delivery" or within 90 days of ownership is USELESS to me. Also people's subjective opinion of "fit and finish" means nothing to me. What do they actually know about it? Fit and finish relative to what? Also info from people who drive 3,000 miles a year in Arizona is probably useless to me.

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  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    They're talking about fit and finish compared to the competition, that being (Lexus, Honda, Toyota, BMW) GM's is markedly different, and not in a good way.

    Why wouldn't 3000 miles a year in Arizona mean anything to you?
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    Also people's subjective opinion of "fit and finish" means nothing to me. What do they actually know about it? Fit and finish relative to what? Also info from people who drive 3,000 miles a year in Arizona is probably useless to me.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,990
    re: Arizona---driving 3,000 miles a year at 45 mph isn't how I drive. I would like data on cars being driven the way I would drive mine. I would tend to stress a car more. I need a car that can take some hard use, day in and day out. I've got 23,400 miles on my 2006 Scion already, with highway, city traffic, dirt roads and rain and salt air (I live right near the beach). Also my car's my living, and I am often 100 miles from the barn on any given day. I can't afford to break down.

    So data on leisurely use in dry Arizona climate is really of no use to me, as you can see.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,536
    How did Arizona get into this anyhow? Is there some hidden context I missed?
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,208
    A Lexus LS handles just like my old Park Avenue. I took a Lexus LS430 out for a test drive expecting some kind of epiphany due to all the hype. Heck, it felt and handled just like a Buick - nothing more, nothing less.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    If GM built cars in China (Especially the high end Buick and Caddilac models) I think there would be TREMENDOUS backlash from the public. Not talking about importing parts to be assembled here, but importing whole cars. Autoblog had a post about GM's Chinese design studios may design future Buicks because of their popularity there, and most of the posters were upset, because they felt the next logical step would be to just bring the Chinese Buicks here, because it would be cheaper, and nobody liked that idea. This is why the major foreign companies opened up shop here: so people would be able to overcome the fact they "bought foreign" when in fact these cars are assembled right here. Look at the money Toyota spent advertising the Tundra being built in Texas, totally ignoring the fact that a lot of Tundras are built in Indiana (after all what's more American than Texas :P ). The foreign companies want us to know they make it here with OUR labor, not theirs. Small, cheap cars are on the fringe and companies can get away with importing them. Even Hyundai makes it's more expensive cars here.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    At that rate your car should last about 8 years before you have to buy a new clutch?? If you're driving an auto-tranny I don't know how long the transmission will last, because I like stick shift and have always tried to buy that way

    I had to replace my transmission at 160,000 miles, but I was driving 300 miles a day. I drive a Toyota Corolla
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,805
    At that rate your car should last about 8 years before you have to buy a new clutch??

    Well that would depend on how much city stop and go driving he does. Someone like me driving in the traffic we have here I seriously doubt I could get half that on a clutch in my daily drive.

    I had to replace my transmission at 160,000 miles,

    I had a Chevy that went almost 300K miles on the same tranny. that is until the guy who bought it from me "accidently" put it in reverse going 60 MPH.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Perhaps it does,but a Lexus is still a better buy than a Cadillac, by far.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,805
    I would hazard to guess that that would depend on the person doing the buying.

    Personally if you gave me a Lexus I would crush it into a cube and send it back to you COD.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Snakeweasel-
    Keep in mind I have a $7,000 Toyota Corolla (that's what I paid for it) That amount of miles to me is a what you'd find on most ten year old cars, so the fact I had to replace the tranny at 160,000, I don't think is too bad. And damn, I drove that car hard. I tortured it with driving. 300 miles per day is too much for a car like mine. I have not had anything weird go wrong with the car, like brake manifolds falling off or water pump failing, or head gaskets blowing, etc...crankshaft suddenly falling, etc..
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,175
    The money you have saved driving that Corolla that far, should allow you to buy a new LS460 cash. If I had that kind of luck with a Toyota I would be a fan also. Of the 4 Toyotas I have been involved with none were close to that reliable. Luck of the draw I guess.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Well perhaps some people need to open their mind and get over their prejudice. I'd be the first one in line to buy GM cars if they didn't insult my intelligence and if they were worth the money, but apparently GM :lemon: doesn't care about the quality of the cars they build for the U.S.A. market, for whatever reason. I don't really understand why.

    Just the idea that people are so heated about how well Lexus can compete with Mercedes and totally jumps over Cadillac says leaps and bounds about Lexus :shades: in a positive way and leaps and bounds about Cadillac :lemon: in a negative way. Lexus :shades: has only been around since 1990 (a mere 17 years) Cadillac :lemon: has been around for 100 years and still can't compete

    I realize Lexus is actually Toyota, however their luxury division has only been around as we know it for 17 years.
    GM has been faced with serious competition for twice that amount of time and still can't compete --so it goes beyond the fact they make bad products...
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    gagrice-
    It shouldn't be the luck of the draw, but who knows. I don't have all the answers. I can only go by my own experience. I don't abuse cars, and I don't tend to buy automatic transmission, if that makes any difference. I can't stand cars with automatic transmissions. They're BORING. Can you spell B-O-R-I-N-G? My experience with Hondas and Toyotas have been very good. I sure do miss my Honda Accord EX sedan with the sunroof and power everything and trunkwing. Talk about envious stares that I used to get. Man do I miss that car. It was like riding a tight cloud. I'm probably going to buy another one, and just keep it forever and buy a new engine for it. Who knows, there are so many good and diverse choices when it comes to cars these days
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Good luck when the automatic goes in that Lexus. $3500 versus $1600 for the GM. And the list goes on and on. The imports are getting almost as pricey to maintain as Mercedes and BMW.

    My mother's 2001 LeSabre is running perfectly fine - been in the shop once in its life for a broken sensor, which is pretty routine on a car with almost 80K miles on it.

    The GM of today isn't the GM of 1980.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,805
    Well perhaps some people need to open their mind and get over their prejudice.

    No prejudice here, I have a major issue with Toyota that has some lawyers involved and it has nothing to do with cars.

    And you should follow your own advice.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    So this forum went from talking about Cadillac, to become the bash everything GM, forum. :sick:

    I've never read so much propaganda in 10-15 minutes in my whole life. I feel I might of lowered my I.Q. :(

    As imidazol97, has pointed out the statistics say different but I guess since it's GM, the facts don't apply. :confuse:

    Yeah I know every GM, car ever made is a :lemon: :confuse:
    Rocky
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    I'll tell you what facts apply RockyLee. The horrible experiences I've had with GM :lemon: :lemon: cars compared to Toyota cars
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Why doesn't GM just start building most of their cars in China? They don't need to build them in the U.S.A. anyway. And they're already building many in China and Canada, already. The Chinese version of the Buick Lacrosse is built there....Then they could just export them here. That might improve the quality of their products.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    So you are essentially saying that UAW, workers don't have the brain power to build quality products ????? Well the Lucerne, 08 CTS, Aura, Silverado, Tahoe, look like quality vehicles to me and that's not all of them just a few.

    If GM, built buicks in China, people like myself who are "buy american" types with good jobs would not buy chinese made buicks. ;)

    Rocky
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    I didn't say that, you said that...and if that's the case why do you buy the following vehicles listed below. Many of them are either made in Canada or Mexico, not the U.S.A.:

    The following vehicles are Made in Canada:
    Buick Lacrosse, Acura MDX
    Chevrolet Impala, Honda Civic*
    Chevrolet Monte Carlo, Honda Pilot*
    Chevrolet Silverado*, Honda Ridgeline
    Chrysler 300, Lexus RX350*
    Chrysler Minivans* , Toyota Matrix
    Dodge Charger, Toyota Corolla*
    Ford Crown Victoria, GMC Sierra*
    Pontiac Grand Prix, Chevrolet Silverado

    The following vehicles are made in Mexico:
    Buick Rendezvous, Cadillac Escalade ESV & EXT
    Chevrolet Avalanche, Honda Accord*
    Chevrolet HHR, Nissan Sentra
    Cheveolet Silverado*, Toyota Tacoma
    Chevrolet Suburban*, Volkswagen Jetta
    Chrysler PT Cruiser, Volkswagen Beetle (Updated Release)
    Dodge Ram*, Ford F-Series*
    Ford Fusion, GMC Yukon*
    Lincoln MKZ, Mercury Milan

    The following vehicle is made in South Korea:
    Chevrolet Aveo

    * = Built in More than one country

    All of the other USA nameplate cars are only built in the U.S.A.

    Furthermore, the headquarters of DaimlerChrysler is in Germany.
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    by rockylee Apr 06, 2007 (7:58 pm)
    Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 06, 2007 7:42 pm)

    So you are essentially saying that UAW, workers don't have the brain power to build quality products ????? Well the Lucerne, 08 CTS, Aura, Silverado, Tahoe, look like quality vehicles to me and that's not all of them just a few.

    If GM, built buicks in China, people like myself who are "buy american" types with good jobs would not buy chinese made buicks.

    Rocky
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,208
    I hope the UAW DOES succeed in unionizing Toyota's North American plants. Then rabid Toyotaphiles can eat their hats when their precious Camries are assembled by UAW labor. Chances are the Corolla media is driving was assembled in the GM-Toyota joint plant in California which is manned by the UAW.

    I sure wouldn't trust any Chinese-made vehicle when the Chinese can't even get the formula for pet food straight. Seems our cats and dogs are dying due to pet food components sourced from over there.
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