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Toyota Sienna Uncontrolled Acceleration

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  • bertha06bertha06 Posts: 15
    I couldn't agree more, DO NOT BUY TOYOTA!!! I cannot believe how they can keep this problem from being acknowledged. Everybody thinks Toyota has such a great reputation, but they have never experienced what we have. I just wonder how many more people this has happened to that don't report it to anybody, or post a message. Of course if they aren't lucky as we were to survive the incident, then nobody ever is aware of what really happened. I have called NHTSA a few times about my report, and they tell me it takes quite a while before they look at the report and decide whether or not to investigate further. So what good does that do, by then the vehicle is gone, if it was totaled like mine was. What are they going to look at. You would think if they keep getting these reports they would realize there really is a big problem here.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    To be fair - all bets are off after you were hit by a car running a stop sign.

    Such a violent impact can throw all sorts of things off. Hydraulic brake lines can snap and leak out pressure, for instance. Leaky fluids, short circuits, who knows. Your Sienna was not intact.

    I don't think your case is the same as the others here, not by a long shot.
  • bertha06bertha06 Posts: 15
    Hi ateixeira
    I am really wondering what your interest is in all this. Do you work for Toyota? It seems you are always trying to come up with some other reason why these things are not happening, and are not the fault of the vehicle. What's the deal anyway?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, right, they helped pay for my Miata and Forester.

    The poster was blaming Toyota instead of the driver that ran the red light and slammed into his van.

    I mean, seriously.... :confuse:
  • Has anybody besides me been watching and wondering why the Toyota Sienna isn't on the recall list for the acceleration problems that have finally come to the attention of the news media? Obviously has the same problem, yet no SUV's or vans are on the recall list. By the way, my Sienna had floor mats that were hooked to the floor so they didn't move around at all. I definitely think Toyota is still not admitting to what the real problem is. For me it was difinitely not the floor mats that caused the brakes not to work and at the same time, the vehicle accelerated rapidly out of control. I still think it's some kind of computer problem. It was so scary hearing the 911 recording of the highway patrolman's accident when they played it on the news a few weeks ago, because that's just what happened to me. I feel lucky to be alive, and I hope the real problem is found before more people die. I am just so glad they are finally taking the problem seriously and investigating it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The design of the gas pedal is different, that's why. The recall is to cut and re-shape the gas pedal.
  • I was just injured when my 2003 Toyota Sienna had an uncontrolled acceleration into a retaining wall in a parking deck. Any suggestions?
  • The recall may be for the gas pedals, but I don't believe that's the problem. To the person with the 2003 Sienna that wanted to know what to do, yes, definitely report it. If everybody that this happens to reports it, maybe they will reallize that it isn't the gas pedal or the floor mats. That is what I meant when I said why isn't the Sienna on the recall list? I know I reported my accident, but haven't heard a word about it.
  • ateixera---you must have some association with Toyota or you ASSUME way too much. I presume you know what they say about individuals who do so !!!!!!!!

    YOUR comments in regards to being able to brake the vehicle with full throttle is INCORRECT. Toyota Sienna braking system leaves much to be desired, at least on my 04 Sienna, from day one. They have been checked by various Toyota Service Centers.

    I tested MY Toyota when this issue became know, ONCE the vehicle is moving (few miles per hour) and when full throttle is applied, YOU CANNOT STOP/OVERPOWER the vehicle with their weak braking system. I feel this will apply to other vehicles with to-days power requirements.

    I recommend ALL Toyota owner check YOUR vehicle in this manner. PREPARE yourself and other family members. Personality I informed my wife to turn the key off. And yes, I know what this causes, however attempting to find the shift lever and move into neutral under this panic situation would be difficult indeed.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Whoa, relax, and please stop shouting.

    I just shared the link to the Office of Defects Investigation and encouraged them to file a report about the problem.

    If there's a pattern, NHTSA will take action.

    If it's a few isolated incidents, or worse, they go unreported, then they won't. Venting on the internet is pointless.

    Read my previous post again. That's the appropriate action to take.

    I don't even agree with the advice you're giving. What owners should practice is popping the trans in to neutral.
  • ateixeira

    So, are you associated with Toyota in any way?

    I've read many of your comments and you tend to question the posters validity !
    Reminiscent of the typical, Company Line, statements.
  • yatesjoyatesjo Posts: 186
    How in the world is turning the key an easier thing to do in a panic situation than simply bumping the transmission lever up into neutral? That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Push the transmission to neutral and the worst that happens is the engine over revs. Turn the engine off and you lose your power including steering and brakes- making a dangerous situation much, much more so. Coasting on the public highways (in Ca at least) is ILLEGAL as well.

    edit: as a quick experiment I just tried the two motions and found that without taking my eyes away from the windscreen I could take my hand from the steering wheel move the transmission from drive to neutral and have my hand back on the wheel in approximately half a second. I fumbled turning the key without looking down, instinctively would look down and took a second or more on average. By far the easier motion is to move the transmission lever- it is faster, I didn't fumble and didn't feel any need to take my eyes from the road in front of me- crucial differences in an emergency.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Boy, you don't know me at all.

    I'm the founder of the Subaru Crew and the Community Leader for that group right here on Edmunds.com. Go to the RAV4 vs. Forester threads and you'll see I'm one of the harshest critics of that Toyota.

    My daily driver is a Mazda Miata, that's what I drove to work today (and almost every day).

    We have a family/trip car and it's a Sienna, but no, I'm not associated with Toyota in any way, I just happen to think the Sienna is the best minivan available.

    A lot of times these complaints are very unilateral, and there's noone here from Toyota to defend themselves or even state the other side of the story. Have you ever once seen someone admit a mistake, say it was their own fault?

    In the GPS thread a trucker drove under a short bridge and crashed his truck on the overhead pass, and tried to blame the GPS for sending him there.

    As a society we tend to assign blame rather than take responsibility for our mistakes. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

    If for whatever reason the throttle is pinned, the best action to take is to slap the trans in to neutral, which is will do at any speed, at any throttle position. That always works.

    Cheers.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,046
    >lot of times these complaints are very unilateral, and there's no one here from Toyota to defend themselves

    I didn't recall that complaints by posters in Edmunds needed to be balanced by representatives of Toyota Motors USA. Actually there are more than enough people in some discussions of Toyota's problems who connected with the company and stand up too much for the company trying to overwhelm the poor poster who comes in with a valid complaint.

    >Have you ever once seen someone admit a mistake,

    Example is a good question here... aimed at the poster, but I'd like to ask it about one example about Toyota.
    Did Toyota admit a mistake when they blamed the customer for years about their sludge problem only to eventually give in and pay for some of the engines that were left? Recall how many people and reps of the company were blaming the end users for the sludge problem, including those with more than the required number of oil changes. Meanwhile Toyota had made some changes to the breathing of the crankcase and oil drains on the engine.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There was one Toyota rep that I recall, we debated the whole sludge issue, in fact. I took a middle-of-the-road position - if people could not come up with a single receipt for an oil change for a year, Toyota should not pay for their neglect.

    In most cases people could indeed come up with receipts, and those should have been covered from the get-go, absolutely.

    I haven't noticed any reps in the Sienna threads, but I don't follow the busy "Haterade for Toyota" threads, of which there are many.

    I wasn't aware of any engine changes - in fact the 3MZ engine ended up being replaced by the 1MZ and later the 2GR, not updated. Maybe you're talking about the 4 bangers?

    Even so, what worked was filing complaints to NHTSA, which showed a pattern of sludged engines, and forced Toyota to find a fix.

    See my link above to the ODI. That's what concerned owners and people who experience a problem should do - file an official complaint.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Then you'll see what I mean about Toyota Haterade:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1e3b64/1166#MSG1166

    Here's my response clearing up the lies mentioned in xlu's post:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1e3b64/1175#MSG1175
  • vatesjo

    What ever works for you!!

    My wife felt more secure reaching for the key than attempting to shift the lever. She knows how it will effect the steering and brakes, because we performed that maneuver. We are elderly and her reaction is not what it was years back. Myself I would probably shift into neutral, I tend to keep my hand on the shifter anyways.

    IMO I feel, this problem, as posters stated occurred because of uncontrolled/stuck throttle. Could there be other variables, sure, but not in every case. Select individuals are adamant as to what happen, and I for one believe them.

    Matter of fact, in our area, a elderly woman struck and unfortunately injured one girl and killed her sister in parking lot. The State Investigator discovered her vehicle had a malfunctioning throttle wire. No, it wasn't a Toyota.

    Many have stated the brakes will override the full throttle applications, they won't on mine, nor on other vehicles I've driven. Especially if the vehicle has gained forward momentum and the engine is moving into its power range.

    I just hope it never happens, in the heat of sudden emergency, who knows how one may react.
  • Well, guess we can put this thread to rest, now that Toyota has finally admitted a serious problem.

    Odd, I didn't see where the Sienna was included, would think this will just be a matter of time before they add this vehicle based on the individuals who have this problem.

    Wonder if they plan on giving out free floor mats.
  • tsu670tsu670 Posts: 293
    Not sure, but I believe the scale of this action in unprecedented in automotive history.

    Toyota Temporarily Suspends Sales of Selected Vehicles
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