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Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?

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  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    We would need spelling lessons on that word from a domestic fan. Do you guys have a book deal, or something?

    What's tomorrow's word? Overmatched? Complacent? Desperate? :blush:

    I'm really gonna trust a small six month reliability sample on a redesigned Toyota truck. Yeah.

    Highlander been out 3 months. Let's throw it under the bus too. :confuse:

    DrFill
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The sales numbers...which is the subject of this thread...speak for themselves.

    Enjoy your day.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Yep and Ford is still No. 1.

    So what's your point?
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I'm really gonna trust a small six month reliability sample on a redesigned Toyota truck. Yeah.

    Ohhhhh...and the camry has been out only 6 months too?

    ROTFLMFAO!!
  • Yep, the sales numbers do speak for themselves, and this is what they are saying (trucks):
    Ford is #1
    Chev is #2
    Dodge is #3
    GMC is #4 (Although I still think Silvy and Sierra should be combined since they are both GMT900's).
    Toyota is #5
    Nissan is #6

    What's your point Spyder?
  • You really need to update yourself on the data.

    The new GMT900's are not even selling as well as the outgoing GMT800's did. Not as a Silverado or as a Sierra.

    Seriously now, what is it that GM buyers don't like about the new vehicle?

    With all the purported improvements the new 900s should be scorching the old fashioned model. I guess the prior buyers saw the benefit of not having an FBF, eh? It truly is embarrassing that the Tundra is kicking the Sierra's butt all over the country in the 1/2-ton segment ( combined GMT800 and GMT900 ).


    As a Salesman, you already know tthis, so I should not have to explain it, but here goes:

    Full-size truck sales are down across the board due to the poor construction market and high gas prices. If the GMT800's were still here, their sales would be down even more. The GMT900's are night and day better than the GMT800's, and the GMT800's were EXCELLENT trucks. I should know, I owned one. Have you? Have you even driven a GMT900? To think their sales are down due to buyers "not liking" them is simply ignorant.

    Now, before you get all excited about the 50+% sales increase for the Tundra, keep in mind it's a brand new offering from Toyota, so obviously sales will spike due the hype among Toyota fans and the Toyota fans that have been waiting for a full size truck. Let's see what the sales growth percentage is between 2007-2008 Tundra's shall we? I bet they sell fewer 08's per month than 07's, I say per month because the Tundra did not arrive until March. Care to make a friendly internet crow-eating wager?

    Tundra is kicking the Sierra's butt??? YTD sales still have the Sierra ahead of the Tundra, and per month they are very close and I will also bet that Tundra will NOT pass the Sierra by year end. Nor will it outsell it next year. But like I said, that is a weak argument on your part anyway since the Silvy and Sierra are the same truck. They share the same customer base (loyalty-wise). It's pretty pathetic to have to compare your ONLY model to Silverado's "Little Cousin".
  • I'm really gonna trust a small six month reliability sample on a redesigned Toyota truck. Yeah

    I find it pathetic (yet very funny) that it only took 6 months to discover how unreliable it is. :lemon:

    Not to mention cheap and poorly built.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    But also funny that it was good enough to cause plant closing for GM, while Toyota struggles with rising demand.

    That is funny. ;)

    DrFill
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Reading for understanding...

    Yes it is a very difficult year and Ford has given GM a huge opening to jump into the No 1 rank but as of now it has not been able to do it. The GMT900? Since I work for a Chevy/Toyota/Honda/Acura/Hyundai/Mazda group yes I've driven them several times. But until recently there were tons of 'Classics' being sold in parallel to the new, improved version. The total sales are even y-t-y but the GMT900s are down in comparison to 2006s GMT800 sales. Ditto the Sierras. One would think that like the Tundra jumping in sales in the face of Ford's backoff that the new GMs would have also but not the case, they are lower in sales.

    Note in my post that I stated the 1/2-ton Tundra is kicking the Sierra's butt. In comparing 1/2 ton to 1/2 ton the Tundra sales I'm certain are far in excess of the Sierra's sales, the GMT800 and the GMT900 individually and both together. Remember the Sierra sales also include the 2500 and 3500 trucks. They have to be factored out to compare similar trucks.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Yes it is a very difficult year and Ford has given GM a huge opening to jump into the No 1 rank but as of now it has not been able to do it

    Yes it is a very difficult year and Ford and GM have given Toyota a huge opening to jump into any rank but as of now it has not been able to do it. Rather they have broken camshafts, failing trans, and a dismal rating from CR.

    Hey doc...is that how you do your spins? lmao
  • Remember the Sierra sales also include the 2500 and 3500 trucks. They have to be factored out to compare similar trucks.

    How convenient. Anyone can find convenient ways to spin things in their favor, now think about this: How many 1/2 ton Tundra buyers would have stepped up to a HD Tundra if they were available? It is not GM or Ford's fault Toyota only offers one full-size truck platform. You can spin it all you want, the fact remains that Ford and GM both kick Toyota's [non-permissible content removed] in full size truck sales and that is not going to change anytime soon. I cannot wait until 2008/09 when the hype has worn off and the Tundra's issues continue, along with Ford and Dodge's new trucks coming out as well as GM's 4.5 L Duramax diesel in the 1/2 ton. Tundra who? It will be T100/1st gen Tundra all over again. Oh, and if you think it is tough to crack the American 1/2 ton market, I hope Tundra comes out with a HD, that will be even uglier (literally and figuratively). Good luck with that!!! HD truck buyers do not care about 0-60 times. They want a well-built truck that can actually stand up to real work.
  • Rather they have broken camshafts, failing trans, and a dismal rating from CR.

    Although these are the most serious of issues, they are only the tip of the iceberg as far as issues with the new Tundra. But that is another topic, but rest assured, these build quality issues will affect the Tundra's sales, especially if they continue and when Ford and Dodge introduce their new models. Oh, I can't wait!!!
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Often imitated. Never duplicated. ;)

    You try, and that's what's important. Don't ever forget it.

    DrFill
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Rather they have broken camshafts, failing trans, and a dismal rating from CR.

    Although these are the most serious of issues, they are only the tip of the iceberg as far as issues with the new Tundra.


    The best tow rating (Trailer Life/CR), best truck overall (CR/Edmunds), and best crash tests (IIHS) should be summarily discarded, so that GM can gain 1% this year, and be considered something other than a total failure.... :blush:

    Toyota is totally successful in taking Ford's lost share.

    GM....not so much..... :sick:

    Token defect, on 20 trucks. Low rating on one model. Incentives everywhere. Maybe the negative press is ATTRACTING domestic buyers, kind of like a "Homing Effect"? Smells like home to Ford Buyers!

    Does Toyota know this market or what? ;)

    DrFill
  • Best crash tests IIHS? Um, wrong, they were no better than GM's and worse (4 of 5 stars) in the NHTSA tests, but of course those tests don't count because they don't favor the Toyota huh?

    Trailer Life? Puleeeze!!! I think you mean Trailer Boating, and the only reason I know that is because I get a free subscription for having a registered bass boat. Now there is a quality publication, they have to GIVE it away to registered boaters. I don't even read this lame-[non-permissible content removed] Rag, but I have flipped through it before tossing it into the recycling bin. Guess who advertises the most in it? Yep, Toyota, coincidence? yeah, ok.

    Total failure huh? Even though they sell 5X the number of trucks that Toyota sells....Hmmmm, What does that make Toyota? Let's see, Toyota makes ONE full size truck, a 1/2 ton. GM makes 1/2, 3/4, 1 tons as well as Medium and Heavy Duty Trucks. Dream on dude.
  • mule2mule2 Posts: 11
    anythingbuttoy I've heard a lot of talk about tundra problems tran. cam. & other things.I own a tundra 5.7 .I had it serviced 5000 mi. I ask the dealer about the talk he said they had 1 cam problem & there was only a few in the hold system & it had been resolved.He showed me on his compter there was only 1 thing, it was a clip that holds rod that lets the tail gate open.This Dealer Is the largest in Ar. They Sell a lot of toyotas Landers Toyota Little Rock Ar.I pulled a 34 FT. Jayco Eagle 9500 # In The Ozark Mt. It did a good job for a 1/2 ton. I looked on chev. forum they do have problens. But i belive people make up lies & add to lies that has already been started.
  • So, ALL of the dozens and dozens of Tundra owners over at TS complaining of Tranny failures and other issues are liars/Trolls? Thanks for clearing that up for me. Funny how even Toyota themselves have acknowledged the Tranny/TC issue (aka Rumble Strip) and are frantically trying to fix it, meanwhile they are replacing Trannys with Remanufactured ones in people's brand new trucks. Admitting they may have the same or worse issues with the new one until they can figure out a permanent solution. Or maybe I just dreamed this? Then there is the dozens of less catastrophic issues, such as cheap build quality (interior painted plastic rubbing off, thin sheet metal denting easily, air vents not staying put, etc, etc, etc). Oh, and nice TripleTech frame you have there....LMAO, gotta love those rivets.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Best crash tests IIHS? Um, wrong, they were no better than GM's and worse (4 of 5 stars) in the NHTSA tests, but of course those tests don't count because they don't favor the Toyota huh?

    It is a known fact that the IIHS is the toughest crash test, as it is offset and focused on producing driver injuries. GM/Ford can use the NHTSA test for marketing. I would. ;)

    It's just harder to malign the Tundra, when it wins the tougher test. :blush:

    Tundra is the best now, as it was before.

    Here is the link to Trailerboats test:

    http://www.trailerboats.com/output.cfm?id=1210051

    DrFill
  • mule2mule2 Posts: 11
    anythingbuttoy. Do you own a toyota? Go look on Gm & ford forums. They are having problems, Vibrations & more.I have a bullinten about a noise the 4/wheel drive makes in shifting 2nd to 3rd. & 3rd. to 2nd.The bullinten stated prior year models including 2007.may be some folks go to different forums & talk about hear say.I was going to buy a ford diesel when they came out with new 6.0. a friend that worked for ford said they were having a lot of trouble with them I bought a new z71 instead & had lots of problems with it too I guss its hard to find a perfect truck.
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