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Kia Rondo Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • tourist1292tourist1292 Posts: 31
    Well, I just picked up the car less than 24hr ago, but I do recommend that bumper guard. It looks rubber to me but I may be wrong. I'll have to check it out at home tonight. I had a Saturn wagon before that (just sold today) and I always had concern in scratching the bumper. It is $55-$65 as an option but over $72 after market. Some other accessories (e.g. cargo tray) can be cheaper after market. I just ordered mud guards and a few other things on the web.
    I found mine to be quiet and no drift too. I am very pleased with the purchase so far. It is indeed a great value to get one over $3800 below invoice although mine is not the cheapest. Considering the regular price of Kia to be a value choice, the after incentive price is really insane.
  • tourist1292tourist1292 Posts: 31
    Just checked. the bumper guard is plastic not rubber.
  • trdsddtrdsdd Posts: 14
    Tourist1292 -

    Conrats on the new Rondo. : ) I've had mine a week and love it. Thanks for the information on the bumper guard. I think I am going to order one on-line. We have a 28 month old son that I'm sure will want to use the bumper as a step real soon.

    peace
    D2
  • tourist1292tourist1292 Posts: 31
    The cargo tray is useful too and it is only ~$55. The place I ordered from charged $8 handling per order while shipping is free. You may want to get both at the same time.
  • kasikinkasikin Posts: 14
    I like the bumper guard as well and think it looks high quality, even though plastic. I'm interested in hearing about the cargo tray. I went with rubber mats from Kmart for the cargo area, about $10 a piece. They don't completely cover the cargo area but each one covers a folded down seatback. I was concerned if I had the cargo tray in place and somehow ended up needing to use one or both of the third row seats, I wouldn't really have a place to put it. The mats fold up and fit easily behind the third row.

    Let me know tourist after you get the cargo tray if it is easy to store in the car with the third row up. I'd love to have one.
  • garnermikegarnermike Posts: 72
    I've had the cargo tray since owning the car 1.5 years ago. I rarely use the rear seats, so I like the tray because of its fit and look. No question it protects the rear floor very well. But I never found a place to stow it when the rear seats had to be used.

    I also have had the bumper guard a while. It is vinyl. It is also absolutely necessary if you are hauling things and care about the exterior condition of your Rondo. That ledge will get nicked/scratched/dinged over time w/o the guard. Even if you personally are careful, you'll have lots of riders or helpers unloading who won't be.
  • kasikinkasikin Posts: 14
    Thanks for the reply, that's what I suspected. I often end up with stray kids :surprise: in my vehicle so it probably won't work for me.
  • trdsddtrdsdd Posts: 14
    Hi Kaskin -

    My wife wants to make a cargo type mat for the Rondo. She is currently using the one she made 5 yrs ago for her Element. She bought a 4 pack of those puzzle piece type floor mats at Big Lots for about $10. They look like these link title . They currently lay flat in the back in a double level. If we need to haul anything big, we lift the second row seats and lay a level of mats down. I'm not sure if it would work for the rondo because the space behind the third row is so narrow and we may end up with 4 levels of mats back there when the 3rd row is in use.

    peace
    D2
  • trdsddtrdsdd Posts: 14
    Hi -

    Many thanks to everyone for the replies and reviews on the rear bumper protector. I'm going to be ordering one this weekend along with the mud guards.

    have a great day/weekend
    D2
  • tourist1292tourist1292 Posts: 31
    I got the mud guards too. The price range is big though. I got them for $17.xx per pair.
  • trdsddtrdsdd Posts: 14
    Hi -

    if you bought them online would you mind if I asked for the site? The cheapest I've been able to find was 29 per pair at savage in sinking spring pa.
  • tourist1292tourist1292 Posts: 31
    I am not sure if I can post the site here. But it is kiacarparts.
  • trdsddtrdsdd Posts: 14
    Thank you very much. There price is great and I bought them tonight.

    Have a great weekend

    D2
  • kasikinkasikin Posts: 14
    That looks like it could make a pretty nice mat, let me know how it works out. It also looks like it could double as a sleeping pad.

    Warning, this is off topic, but -

    My 2 younger kids and I like to go camping. We have a big tent which is great but too much work for a one night trip, so we are going to try sleeping in the Rondo when we go for one night. We fit pretty nicely and it is fairly comfortable just on top of sleeping bags, but your idea seems like an inexpensive way to make it a little more comfortable. I bought these things called magna screens that allow you to leave the windows open for air while keeping the bugs out. I think I'm going to look into those mats before we go.

    Enjoy your Memorial Day.
  • glitch1glitch1 Posts: 25
    My local area doesn't seem to have any '08 Rondos. I'm curious what people's experiences are with buying '09 Rondos? I would be looking at a 4-cylinder LX. Today, the local dealer was going for around $18K, but I did not make an offer, since I was unable to commit to buying right away.
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    Keep in mind the 09 Toyota Matrix, Pontiac Vibe (same car) well equipped at $19500 or so msrp are selling for about 15k or less . About 16k for the Mazda5. All of them sell used in their 08 trade in values about $12000. The Mazda3 hatch 09 sells for about $16000 also, with the 09 Hyundai Elantra touring possibly in the 14000's.

    The 09 Kia Rondo auto Lx well equipped has a 08 used trade in value of about 9000 in kbb.com. This is what the 09 will be worth in 12 months. So we wanna be buying the 09 Rondo used in the $12-13000 range, or just looking at something else, unless we really really want a Rondo.

    Good luck
    jjf

    My local area doesn't seem to have any '08 Rondos. I'm curious what people's experiences are with buying '09 Rondos? I would be looking at a 4-cylinder LX. Today, the local dealer was going for around $18K, but I did not make an offer, since I was unable to commit to buying right away.
  • kasikinkasikin Posts: 14
    If trade in values are important to you, the previous post is relevant. Some of us drive our cars for 200,000 plus miles and don't worry about trade in values.
  • glitch1glitch1 Posts: 25
    I never trade my cars in and have driven all my cars over 10 years (15+ with my current vehicle now).

    It seems when you sell/trade your Rondo within the first few years, you are flushing 5 years worth of power-train warranty down the toilet. This is significant value that is part of your Kia if you keep the car, but thrown away if you sell it. So if the trade-in value is $10K, it's actually worth $10K to someone else, but maybe worth $12K to you, since keeping it allows you to retain a great warranty.
  • kasikinkasikin Posts: 14
    Glitch - where are you located? There is a dealer in my area, Chicagoland, with several 09s in stock at what seems to be reasonable asking prices.
  • glitch1glitch1 Posts: 25
    Hi Kasikin,
    I am located in Portland, OR. May I ask what the dealers in your area are asking for an LX 4 cylinder? I have one dealer here getting down to the low $16K.

    Thanks.
  • kasikinkasikin Posts: 14
    There is one dealer who has several who has them listed on the internet at 17.5, but has a place to "make an offer", so I'd imagine they'd come down some. That's the lowest asking price I've seen. Many of the local dealers have 1 or none in stock. I have been trying to find an 08 in the midwest for a friend, have seen a few but none that meet her requirements.

    I think low 16's is a great price for a 09 if you are getting what you want. I paid a little over 18 for my 08 EX V6 7, fully loaded. While I did get them to give me a little more for my battered Honda Odyssey than they originally offered, I did not really negotiate on price. After I got the car, I told my husband I probably could have gotten it cheaper and he pointed out to me that it was less than any of our previous 3 cars, and was exactly what I wanted. I've had it since early April and thus far, couldn't be happier.
  • Last week I saw quite a few 08 Rondo in an Ohio dealer at Toledo if you are still looking for one in midwest. Otherwise, there is really one or none per dealer in my area and the one left may have hundreds of miles on it from test driving already.
  • I just bought a used 2008 lx with V6 and 3rd row seat, alloy wheels for $11,200. It only had 13,500 miles on it and it didn't seem to make sense to buy new. Quite a few used for sale in Rochester, NY area, most seem to be rentals.
  • It depends on whether you can find a new 2008 right now. You may need to pay $3K-$5K more depending on options, but you'll get 20% more bumper to bumper warranty and 5 more years power train warranty on a new one. Not to mention the mechanical wearing in 13.5k miles and the worry on the unknown previous history (e.g. not probably break-in if it was a rental) should be the major consideration too. Most people do not realize the 10 year power train warranty, which is one of the prime factors in Kia's rating calulation, is not transferable. This is one of the main reason for the depreciation in resale value. Last but not least, if you want to sell it some time down the road, being the first owner of the car makes it more appealing. I sold my 13 year old Saturn at the high blue book price range within a couple days on craigslist because of that.
    Don't get me wrong. I am not saying don't but used Rondo. I am only pointing out the factors you should considerate when you are looking at the price of a used one. Indeed, the lower resell value of Rondo makes it a good choice as its reliability is above average (just outside of top 10).
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    Of course this is rubbish.

    If one buys a (18500msrp) 09 Mazda3 sedan for 15300, and it has a kbb 08 trade in of about 13000, one has eaten $2300 or so to drive it the 1st 12 months. $3000 off msrp represents a good deal.

    If one buys a (24000msrp) 09 Chevy impala for 17500, and it has a 08 used kbb trade in of 10000, one has eaten 7500 to drive this (average) sedan the 1st 12 months. $7500 off msrp not so great a deal in this case.

    If you financed it, you get to pay finance charges on the 2300 or 7500 for the loan term. Great if the Impala is a super hot contemporary car with backorder and in great demand, but as an average rental car in the worst recession in 20 years, not so great.

    You eat this money to drive the 1st 12 months whether you own the car 1yr or 20 years. Depreciation is much less and surprisingly similar with most vehicles after the 1st 12 months or so..

    Extreme example- the mazda and civic are amongst the best in this respect, and the Impala the worst, but illustrative.

    Personally, I wouldn't get a ticket getting to the dealer to pay $16000 for a 09 Rondo with an 08 used trade in value of $9000. Or exhaust myself finding an 08 leftover new for $13000.

    Good luck
    --jjf

    If trade in values are important to you, the previous post is relevant. Some of us drive our cars for 200,000 plus miles and don't worry about trade in values.
  • kasikinkasikin Posts: 14
    If your point is that you are better off buying a one year old car than a brand new one, you may have a point. Although in that case I don't think trade in value is exactly the value you should be focusing on. Plus you have to decide how much you value the power train warranty in the case of Kia, because you get one with the new car and you don't with the one year old.

    If your point is that you shouldn't buy a car at all because of the high first year depreciation, even if you plan on keeping the car until it dies, I'm not sure I follow. Why is what my car is worth one year after I buy it relevant to me if I have no intention of selling it for a very long time?

    In your example of the Impala, a buyer has "eaten" $7500 in the first year. I agree, if they sell the car. Or if the choice is between buying new or buying one year old. If the buyer wants the car new for other reasons and is keeping it, I just don't see that it's a deal breaker. It's like my friends who say they "lost" $300,000 in their 401k's last year. I say yeah, if you sell or need that money now. Otherwise, it's all on paper. If your not retiring for 20 years, why does it matter?
  • My comment is very specific to 08 Rondo at this moment. Other people may have a totally different way of money management and I don't call that rubbish.
    Don't forget the $4000 incentives for 08 models and discounted dealer pricing (at near invoice price before incentive) has already covered most of the first year depreciation in resell value. Honestly, if one is trying to maximize their car value, trading in is not the way to go. If you check the kbb price for a used 08 model with 13500 miles from dealer, it is only a couple thousand dollars cheaper than a brand new one (or $3000-$4000 cheaper if you buy the used one from private party). Now you have to justify the $2000-$4000 saving versus the extra 5 years power train warranty, lemon protection, 13,500 miles wearing and warranty, and uncertain previous history. If you need to finance it, the better interest rate for new car should be factored in too. There is no absolute answer to this as different people may have different justification. These are just points worth to consider.
    Again, this is about buying a 08 Rondo used or new right now.
  • larrytbmlarrytbm Posts: 10
    "My comment is very specific to 08 Rondo at this moment. Other people may have a totally different way of money management and I don't call that rubbish.

    Again, this is about buying a 08 Rondo used or new right now."

    I agree with tourist1292, lots of talk about depreciation (especially irrelevant 1 yr depreciation) but not nearly as much about all the other factors. 0% financing on a new vehicle is a huge deal, nothing comparable for a used vehicle. EZ to do internet search for a new vehicle and know all details of the vehicle (color, options, condition "new"), with a used vehicle, dealers and private parties are very inconsistent in listing features and conditions which means more phone work, footwork, travel to distant towns and arranging independant vehicle inspections. A great price on the wrong car is not a good deal.
  • Ok Ladies and Gents: I just paid $15,500 for a new 2008 Rondo EXV6, with the 3rd seat and Premium Package, plus cargo tray and roof rails. Did I get a good deal? Two other dealers I was working with wouldn't go below $15,900 and this guy wouldn't take $14,900. So my head is still swimming in numbers, and fees, and holdbacks and factory/dealer incentives...I did get the $4,000 KIA rebate (obviously) but when I see KBB saying they're worth 10 - 13K -- I'm not sure I got the deal I was expecting...it's so hard to know what options people are talking about...So did I do good?
  • garnermikegarnermike Posts: 72
    ...you did freakin' great! It's a great vehicle in so many ways.

    Sure, somebody will negotiate a better deal somewhere, but your cost looks fine to me.

    Again, by comparison, my 2007 LX I-4 (no cargo tray) cost me $16,800 20 months ago. So you get a new 2008 with a bigger engine, 20 months later, for $1400 less than what I thought was a very good deal for mine? That's terrific!
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