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Honda Odyssey vibration

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  • Have them check the rear motor mount. Sometimes it goes bad from all the vibrations. If you have ECO, then make sure they plugged the wire back in. ECO wiring is attached to rear motor mount.

    Has happened to plenty of Ody owners.

    Good Luck waiting on the solution. Honda has a reputation on their disgusting transmissions since 1995.

    Too bad I found out after purchasing one.

    Toyota sounds nice right a bout now.
  • If still under warranty and for those that don't have the juddering, I would still pull for the update, get the judders, have torque converter replaced, make sure they check out the rear motor mount, realign the tires, and make sure all done before warranty expires.

    I would definitely not pay $2000+ for Honda's engineering problem. And that's just the torque converter job.
  • deeleedeelee Posts: 35
    vickytoria, I would ask all who have this problem to read back some pages on this forum. These matters have been thoroughly discussed and this bulletin along with others are posted. I understand your anger and have felt that same anger many times with this 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L we bought with 20,000 miles on it. We just got back from a 2000,00 mile trip with the new torque converter and the van is still driving like new, crossing our fingers! We have 44,000 miles on it now. I don't understand what repeatedly replacing transmission fluid is going to help. This is a mechanical defect made by Honda. We also had something wrong with the steering column when we first got this van. It was making a clunking sound at low speeds.Come to find out there was a bulletin out on that which they fixed by lubricating the steering column, I think? It stopped after that. Thanks for the mention on the rear motor mount. Something has been rattling in the rear area of the car and we cannot figure it out. This may be the problem. I will have this checked out promptly. Good Luck Sweetie, I understand you really have your hands full. God Bless, Deelee
  • tigernptigernp Posts: 2
    I also had this vibration which the dealership decided to fix with a transmission flush and new wheel bearings on the front. The van which is a 2007 EXL drove great for exactly 4 days and on the 5th I was unable to crank in my garage. I thought oh great the battery now, had AAA jump it went to Sam's to have the battery replaced and guess what the battery tested normal. The van drove around fine all day then the next morning bam won't start again. Jumped the van then my husband came back inside to grab his coffee and wash hands then opened the door and found our garage filled with white smoke-no fire visible so he backed out of garage and we could not see any source of the smoke. He drove it to the dealer where they promptly decided nothing was wrong with the van-battery or alternator and Their suggestion was to leave it overnight and they would start it the next morning to replicate the problem. Left it-got a call the next day that the van started, but they were running tests to see what might have caused the problem.. They kept it all day decided nothing was wrong with the van or the battery and told us to pick it up. When we went to get it they had sliced a front driver side tire and scraped our rim, initially saying it was on a test drive but now say it happened taking the car off the rack. They did replace the tire and plan to fix the rim. Anyway we took the car home, parked it in the garage and were done. The next morning got up tried to start van -dead again. Jumped the van again and about 2 minutes afterwards heard a gush of air and saw a white cloud of smoke come out from the sides of the engine area-then it was gone. We took the van out of the garage and let it sit in driveway to run and charge battery. After a while we noticed the Air conditioner not working. Fan blows, but no cold air. Aggravated doesn't describe my feelings at this point. Monday (the next day) I call the dealership and have it towed to them-they decide it is a bad cell in the battery so replace the battery under warranty and announce the A/C problem is related to a phantom rock hitting the condenser which is not covered under warranty. I spoke to the manager and took the van home planning to have this worked on at another dealership as I am not convinced they didn't cause all of these problems with their attempt to fix the judder. Anyway, left town for 5 days and now the van is dead in my garage again! Obviously the battery was not the problem. Anyone else had anything like this occur after the vibration work?
  • doing_researchdoing_research Posts: 4
    edited April 2010
    Just in case you have purchased a Honda already and it is still under regular warranty, consider purchasing an extended HondaCare warranty, which you can only do before the normal 3yr/36k mi warranty expires. I got my warranty just before the 36K mi mark, so it's covered until the mileage hits 95,970. Check online for best pricing. I am glad I did, since it is now saving me lots of $ for a torque converter replacement on my EXL.
  • doing_researchdoing_research Posts: 4
    edited April 2010
    Thank you very much for posting this service bulletin. My Honda will need have a replacement done within the next couple of days after going through many hassles, trips to the dealership and lots of frustration and wasted time. The Honda dealership made it appear as if they were doing so much for me and stated they first need to get the approval from Honda Corp to do this large job etc. Now reading this, I just want to throw up, since they fed me so much garbage and I am really upset. This document is great information! Thanks!
  • ddssjskddssjsk Posts: 26
    2007 Odyssey. 27,000 miles. Tried multiple times to get the shudder fixed as of 5,000 mile failure. Had ECM recal and torque converter replaced as per TSB. Judder still present. Filed lemon claim. Lost case due to incompitent BBB arbitrators. Still trying to get if fixed. I think i may be being blacklisted. Guess i will have to get a good attorney and file a breach of warranty suite. Anyone know if there may be a class action on this defect?
  • deeleedeelee Posts: 35
    I have a 2007 Odyssey also and I had the torque converter replaced a couple of thousand miles ago and mine is still okay. How long if any miles did it take for the torque converter to fail? I haven't heard anything about a real class action. I have heard many people on this website asking and hoping to hear of one. I have 45,000 miles on my van and the warranty will only last another 15,000. It really sucks to have to worry about this all the time. I have been following this forum for a few months. You will have attorney costs and if anyone would take it on contingency, because of trying to fight such a giant company as Honda. I'm beginning to think that the whole transmission needs replaced and they don't want to spend the money to fix it! Deelee
  • unlsingerunlsinger Posts: 3
    After we had the TC replaced? It was only a week before we could tell it was doing "it" again. we took it back and they said they updated some software or something. it is still doing it. my husband is going to have to handle it from now on because everytime i go in there they just sort of pat me on the head, hand me some free coffee and tell me they "can't replicate" it. grrrr.... :lemon:
  • sreisssreiss Posts: 65
    I had my TC replaced and was not initially convinced it was fixed. I wasn't sure if it was that I was being hypersensitive about it, since it was quite annoying before I got it fixed, so I wasn't sure if I was just interpreting every single thing as evidence that it wasn't resolved. It was definitely better, but I wasn't convinced it was resolved.

    I did read hear that the vehicle adapts over time to your driving style - can't say for sure if that is true or not - but it is plausible that the software adjusts based on whatever the last 'n' miles have been like. I decided to let it go for 1,000 miles, and then see.

    After I waited, I do have a sense that it is fixed. I don't notice it anywhere near like I used to. My biggest concern at this point is that I don't have any confidence that it won't happen again. My reason for the concern is that I don't have the impression that it was a manufacturing problem, or wear and tear. I have the impression that it is a fundamental design problem.

    I am very likely to get the extended warranty to address future problems since other than this we like the vehicle very much. Frustrating to have to spend more to protect yourself since one of the big Honda benefits for me over the years has been their extremely high reliability. But - cheaper than a new vehicle.
  • ddssjskddssjsk Posts: 26
    edited May 2010
    Ours started to judder within 50 miles of leaving the dealership. I see no improvement at all. When the dust finally settles on this isssue it's going to be a whopper. Everything Honda has sold or is selling inc. 2010 models with a V-6 engine is having this issue. Odyssey, Ridgeline, Pilot, Accord and the entire Acura
    V-6 line. there is almost an identical TSB on the Acure MDX. I can't believe Honda has had the guts to keep building and selling what are truly vehicles with defectively designed transmissions. The should have to buy every one of them back and have to send them to salvage. But of course if the issue goes to class action all they will get is a scolding and the owners will get a warranty extension.
  • claim5claim5 Posts: 22
    Back last summer and fall, I documented here my experiences with the 07 EX-L and the superb repair job done by Schaumburg Honda. I have been on several long trips, much city driving in the Chicago area, and am at about 32K miles now. The torque converter replacement was done last Sept/Oct and my van is still running like new. 18/city and 28/hwy running every couple of months between Chicago and St. Paul.

    I was going to buy a new one, but mine is running so well I'm afraid of buying a dud.

    Good luck to you all! :shades:
  • ddssjskddssjsk Posts: 26
    edited May 2010
    Claim5: Not a bad idea. I have seen post where people have traded up to 2010 models and have the judder after 5,000 miles. I have also read that Honda's ATF is breaking down and should be changed at about that mileage. I have also read, if you're out of powertrain warranty flushing the tranny and switching to mobil-1 or amsoil ATF will take care of the judder issue. Has anyone tried either?
  • ddssjskddssjsk Posts: 26
    Talked to HONDA service manager yesterday. Seems there is another PCM program update availabe as of last week. Taking my Odyssey in this afternoon.
    Wish me luck.

    Will post results later.
  • 17norway17norway Posts: 1
    Yes I have a 2005 Odyssey/ Honda Touring and it has 90K on it now. I have had this vibration for several months or more without time to ask! I noticed it has become worse so! I just took it in for other issues and they gave me the software update joke to fix the vibration. NO GO! I am glad that this posting is here for refererance, since I now know to have them look at other things. Like the ECO and Engine mounts! I still have a Honda extended warranty, so I hope this will be covered? I am not happy at all with Honda after the terrible run flats tires, 2 faulty power steering pumps and now this...More things to do with no time as it is!
  • ciao888ciao888 Posts: 24
    I've had the shudder issue on my 2010 at time of purchase. See my post...

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1085e1/237!keywords=#MSG237

    Did the new software update work? Owners need to realize that while the shudder occurs damage is being done to the converter and transmission. Honda should be offering extended warranties.
  • claim5claim5 Posts: 22
    I've heard about some people putting in "Shudder-Stop", an aftermarket product that's supposed to stop the shudders in your transmission. I would highly recommend against using any aftermarket product unless :surprise: your vehicle is off-warranty.
    I got two notices from Honda, one for a PCM update for lock-up clutch function, telling me I had to take my Honda back for improved software reprogramming. NOT GONNA DO IT! Already had the torque converter replaced and it's running like new, it failed only after they reprogrammed it the first time. That was very annoying. The second letter I got was for a SAFETY RECALL of the VCM. Will talk to a tech at honda before deciding if I need to do that one or not. I'm leery of letting them mess with it when it's running and stopping perfectly.
  • ddssjskddssjsk Posts: 26
    edited May 2010
    Bassically what the second pcm program has done is reconfiqure the shift points of the transmission to keep it from lugging in overdrive which only limits the time the torque converter is in shudder mode, so to say. The reconfiguration is now making the transmission downshift more often with the cruise on which it did not do before, No! I do not think the shudder is completely gone. I will evaluate for the summer. Dealer service manager said if another converter replacement is in order they will do so. My vehicle seems to shudder more in cold weather so i will wait and see. Honda tech at Russell Honda in Sherwood, Ar. did a sorry reinstall job. I am still finding stuff he broke, left off or failed to connect. Found a vacuum line today that he failed to reconect. Can't believe it did not activate the service engine light. I have driven the vehicle 3,000 mile now with it disconected. Disgusted totally!
  • mdarlamdarla Posts: 5
    Hi,
    I am having a 07 Odyssey, couple of months back my TC was replaced, but I started having the judder problem, I took the van to the dealer couple of times, but they couldnt figure it out, so finally Honda had 2 other recalls about the soft brake and PCM update, after these are applied, looks ok, but still feel that, while slowing down, I feel little judder before I brake , and also when I am slowing down and pick up speed, I feel that the transmission isnt smooth, but when I take to the dealer, they are not able to identify the problems, I think unless Honda releases some fix for that, or atleast some software update, these dealers cannot fix those issues, hope fully some one in Honda are working on these issues.

    Darla
  • ddssjskddssjsk Posts: 26
    I honestly don't think there will ever be a true and complete fix. I think it would require a complete redesign of the transmission which Honda will never do. We are just stuck with a faulty design. (lemon) I will probibally keep our Odyssey as long as in warranty and then dump it. Never another Honda although we currently own two.
  • ciao888ciao888 Posts: 24
    Agree with you 100%. I suspect a design issue with T/C that's why software updates and T/C replacements will not work in the long run. Shudder was likely always there but not noticed by many. On my 2010 it was noticed right away. Dealer told me the shudder for which the Product Update was issued last year was "violent". So far HONDA CANADA is doing nothing for me.

    Do you or anyone here have the product update link or a hardcopy for this second PCM update? I am trying to use an arbitration system in Canada to get HONDA to buy back their vehicle.

    Thanks.
  • my07my07 Posts: 22
    I had the original PCM update done and that just made things worse. Had the torque converter replaced which basically got rid of the judder but trans still downshifted hard and would hunt at speed. Just had the latest PCM update done yesterday and I have to say I think this is the best the trans has felt since I leased the van almost 3 years ago. Is it perfect...no, but much better. It's a real shame that I only have 3 months left on the lease now that this appears to be resolved. For this and many other issues Honda will be at the bottom of my list.

    Here's the link:

    http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A09-053.PDF
  • matt6288matt6288 Posts: 1
    I have been viewing this forum for several months. I noticed about 6 months ago I had an issue with my 2007 Odyssey. after going through most of the posts on this forum I decided to wait on taking it to the dealer just to get the run around. The Judder/transmission shifting was so bad I had to drive around town in D3. I finally took it to the dealer because of the 2 recall notices I received from them and last positive reviews from this forum on the software fix. Bottom line is so far the software update seems to be working. I am no longer noticing the judder. I will say the transmission seems to shift a little harder in 4th and 5th gear. The transmission also tends to shift later. The grade logic also seems to be improved. The biggest problem I noticed with the van is it wanted to be in 5th gear all the time.
    Regarding the dealership experience. -- they were very quick I had the brake recall, The Judder and an oil change all in a little over an hour. On the negative side, I asked them to check the Transfer case and the rear engine mount. They said #1 there are no problems with those and the software update fixes all the problems. #2 he kind of said that many have had trouble with rear motor mount. but assumed I didn't have a problem. I insisted that Honda needs to check both. I had read many places that everyone who has the judder problem ultimately has problems with T/C and rear motor mount. When I called in I mentioned this too both times they down played the internet and said only very few people had that problem and implied no on the internet knows what they are talking about. I still don't know if they check either issues I mentioned and asked if they had only that it is not noted anything is wrong so they did. good luck with the fix.
  • crd1219crd1219 Posts: 3
    I have a 2007 touring with only 16,000 miles on it,started to feel a vibration, whining noise when i go above 50 mph, had first update done, still feel it, then dealer told me theirs another update, had that done also, drove it this weekend still feel it.So going to bring it back again (3rd time ) this week. Hope you don't have this problem.
  • mdarlamdarla Posts: 5
    I think the vibration is not because of the software issue, probably you might want to ask the dealer to check the axles on both the sides, recently I had taken my odyssey because of a smaller judder issue, but it turned out to be there is a small vibration and they found out that the right axle on the front side there is some issue, so the dealer said once they get that in stock they would replace it.

    just my thought, ask the dealer to inspect the front left and right axles, many dealers dont even pay attention of what the problem is, they just say everything is good.
  • jimbo94jimbo94 Posts: 1
    I had the vibration problem with my 2005 Honda Odyssey EX-L..50k miles...I had just put new tires on it and noticed a vibration problem a few months later. After getting no results with balancing I begged my Mechanic to recheck the tires, He found the right front Wheel bearing was real bad and tires had low spots in them. I had him replace the front wheel bearings and I put another 4 brand new tires on. PROBLEM SOLVED..... The van rides like it did when it was brand new. Hope this helps.
  • mdarlamdarla Posts: 5
    I had a small vibration, which I thought it was a judder, but after couple of visits to the dealer, finally they found out that there is issue with the right front wheel axle. so they replaced it and its fine now.
  • Did anything ever become of your sevice bulletin request. I selected a link provided in a recent post on this forum, but when I routed to the page it said that I am an unauthorized viewer. Was this the bulletin you were requesting? I have an 04. Same story......
  • crd1219crd1219 Posts: 3
    edited August 2010
    dealer ended up replacing tc but still heard noise & vibration. after road test with mechanic, it ended up being the drivers side wheel bearing. dealer replaced TC for no reason, but no problems now.
  • I have a 2000 Odyssey with the same exact symptoms from 40 mph and below. I had sway bar bushings replaced, and it still is there. My independent mechanic, who has taken good care of this vehicle (154 K) can't seem to figure it out. What should I do? This noise drives me crazy!! :mad:
    Btw, tires are new, and alignment and balance are current.
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