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Where is Honda taking Acura?

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  • car_dudecar_dude Posts: 14
    edited February 2011
    I also had the same Pilot as you do (mine was 08) and really liked it.

    My lease ended in January and I looked at current Pilot - I was so disappointed with what Honda has done to the Pilot... I also saw new Accord in the showroom and was turned off by it's design - older Accord looks better in my opinion.

    It seems that in addition to Acura declining brand reputation, Honda got it's own issues.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,050
    finally a group of people who agree with me-- the Acura name took a huge step back when they decided to end production of names on cars and went the route as every other lux car line and went to 2.3 CL, RSX, TSX-- come on they had great names for cars- integra, legend (hello best car name ever) and Vigor (good name, bad 5cyl) -- they went mainstream -- How cool was the second generation acura Legend?? the type2 coupe had the 250plus hp v6 with a 6speed.. the Integra was a bridge to get the younger folk.. now the entry level TSX is almost 30k -- TL ugly, tsx to much money, rdx no one knows what it is, RL 50k for a TL, MDX is a nice truck thou.... to me this line needs a complete revamp. Ugly, overweight, and overpriced--
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Acura used to represent quality, value, designs, cool names and prestige. Acura still represents quality, but no more so than Honda. The value factor has about vanished, as other premium brands have caught up. Design is no longer ahead of the pack. Model names, as has been mentioned, are confusing and not cool. Finally, the prestige factor of Acura versus, say, Honda, is marginal. This begs the question, then, of why pay a premium price for a fairly ordinary car?

    to Acura's credit, resale values have remained relatively high, but that's not enough in the premium category. To succeed over the long-term, a premium product must feature the "gotta have it" factor, which Acura has lost. Hopefully, it will regain it, plus value, with future platforms. Honda has the resources to do it.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,346
    edited February 2011
    You are the exception. The majority of Pilot buyes FAR perferred the changes on the new models. Same applies to the Accords.

    But, every time a model get's changed, ther will always be a few and I mean just a few who will ask..." why did you mess it up?"

    I think Acura shot themselves in the foot when they renamed their models. The Legend that everyone knew and loved became an RL! Does that mean "Renamed Legend?". They spent years building a model name and they changed it for some dumb reason. Why?

    Then they ruined the looks acrosds the line when they hung those hideous "beaks" on the front ends.

    While they were renaming cars and screwing up the looks, the competition grew stronger in an already overcrowded marketplace.
  • I guess design wise new Pilot was fine, but it just didn't feel right. I was excited when I got 08 Pilot, but when I drove the latest Pilot - it din't feel special.

    I also think that Pilot got to be too expensive for what it is, at least to lease the configuration we looked at. For a little bit extra in monthly payment you can get more upscale SUV.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Clown face. That is a good description. Did they make the front end worse?

    We will hang onto our 04-08 gen TL. Runs fine, no trouble. Hopefully, Acura is working on a major rework of the TL to be ready in 2014.

    Might get a hint if Honda/Acura have purged their inept stylists/designers when they replace the baroque-looking Accord.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    edited August 2011
    The '12 Civic seems to have missed the bulls-eye by a rather wide margin. I'm sure it's a good car, but, in a market that's full of excellent compact cars, the Civic is no longer is special. It'll be interesting to see whether the next all-new (2013) Accord will devolve in a similar manner, or not. The '13 Accord will give us a hint of what to expect for the next generation TSX and TL, since they're based on the Accord.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    New Civic will lose sales to Elantra and Focus.

    Acura division goofed up with current version of TL. Don't know the reason why they still make RL. And the Acura soopy roof car with rear hatch is a joke with car magazine writers.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,910
    edited December 2012
    "Dealership got caught fleecing an 83-year-old, and refused to unfleece him until American Honda Motor Co. stepped in."

    Swindle in Texas a lesson for car buyers (Detroit News)

    Good for Honda. The Dealer Ratings here for them is pretty poor too (zip 76137). Gotta wonder how many other people have been ripped off.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    edited April 2013
    The new RLX got a negative review in the Wall Street Journal. Among the comments, Dan Neil, the reviewer, said the RLX, Acura's flagship sedan, is little more than a larger, heavily contented Accord. While adapting Honda's FWD architecture to a car with E-Class and 5-Series fighting pretensions saved money, the result is a car that doesn't accomplish its mission, in the reviewer's opinion. Further, it's not even an effective competitor to the A-6 Quattro. Was Dan Neil too critical of the RLX?

    Incidentally, Consumers Reports rated the 2013 A-6 best-in-class; better than the E-Class or 5-Series.

    It should be mentioned that the RLX will be available with AWD later this year. The AWD version will also have more power. I hope the WSJ tests that model too, to see whether that will make the RLX more competitive with its German rivals. And, let's not forget Cadillac, which just introduced an all-new, larger CTS to take on the Germans. Plus, Lexus, Infiniti and Jaguar aren't standing still.

    There were many years when Acura cars were important players in the entry luxury car segment, and one level higher with the Legend and NSX, but in recent years Acura's successes have only been in SUVs and crossovers. Acura badly needs a successful sedan on the order of the '99-'03 and '04-'08 TLs. Maybe the '14 TLX will be that car. Or maybe there's still hope for the RLX, once the AWD version becomes available.
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