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Honda CR-V Timing Belt

I have recently bought Pre-Owned a 1998 Honda CR-V EX from a dealer in Cleveland. The vehicle has 85000 Miles onto it. I have read in the owner manual the recommendation to change the timing belt on 105000 Miles or 84 months/7 years which-ever is earlier.

Can somebody guide me if the timing belt change is necessary now since there are about 20000 miles possible on this vehicle. I requested the dealer to trace through the history of the service record and he confirmed that the timing belt has not been replaced earlier. The vehicle is owned and driven in Cleveland since 1998.

If the belt needs to be replaced what should be the estimate for the cost?
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  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    The belt itself is about $70, but the labor is $400. If you get someone to replace the belt, have them replace the water pump as well. The pump will run about $100, but saves you the $400 in labor if it needs to be replaced a couple of months later.
  • zengszengs Posts: 6
    Yeah~!I had the same question.
  • I have read about interference and non-interference engines and I suppose that makes some sense, but how do you find out which engine a particular car has? If I decide to buy a 2003 VW Jetta with diesel engine, will the valves possibly bend [or other engine damage occur] if/when the timing belt should break? Thanks.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,312
    You can look up your car at Gates and they'll tell if your engine is interference or not.

    I don't think their listing is foolproof (I think they are wrong about my minivan), so usual disclaimers.

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • How can you determine if the timing belt has been changed in a vehicle?
    2000 Honda CR-V SE. 116,000 miles, appears well cared for, runs great, no service records available.

    Charles
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    By 100,000 miles there should be some play in the chain (more than 1/2 inch). If it's fairly tight then it's probably been replaced.

    tidester, host
  • I'm pretty sure that 2002 was the first year for a timing chain in the CR-V.
    The same procedure doesn't seem like it would apply with a timing belt. :confuse:
    It it does, where do you check for this play?

    Charles
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    It it does, where do you check for this play?

    I'll leave that for someone who has specific experience with the CR-V. Anyone?

    tidester, host
  • The dealer recommends a "timing belt package" that costs $695.

    Is it a rip-off?

    Thanks,
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Does the package include the water pump?

    The timing belt service at the dealer should be about $550 - $600 alone. It is recommended to replace the water pump at this time. Most of the charge is from labor. The belt itself is a $20-$30 part, but the tearing of the engine apart adds up. While you have it torn up, might as well replace the pump, which is driven by the timing belt. They should also replace the tensioner at this time as well.

    See if you can negotiate a 10% off or something.
  • A friend of mine is hiring me to install the new pump and timing belt in his 97 CRV, is the dealer price of $695 pretty much nation wide? And has anybody done the replacement? Is $100 labor plus parts a decent price?
  • ntlafntlaf Posts: 1
    Just got timing belt and other 3 belts replaced for my 00 CRV by a local shop.
    The water pump was also replaced.
    With the labor charged of $340, the total cost reached about $550.

    $100 labor charge is surely a steal, only if it can be done properly.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785
    OK,

    In 2002 the 4 cyl Accords and CRV's went to a timing chain that does not require replacement. It should last the life of the car.

    The 1997-2001 CRV's used a belt that should be replaced at 105,000 miles or 7 years. It's an expensive job but once it's done, it's done. A person would be foolish not to replace the water pump, seals and drive belts while they are "in there".

    If a person doesn't know if the belt has been changed, it is possible to pry back the timing belt cover and look in there with a flashlight. It's about a half hour job and it's not 100% foolproof but there are markings on the belt that a Honda Tech can look at and see if it's been replaced.

    Note, I said a HONDA Tech. They deal with these every day and when they say it's been replaced, it has been.

    Not a good thing to take a chance with.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785
    Not a ripoff. That's about what a dealer charges.

    If you decide to take it elsewhere you might save a bit buit make sure they know what they are doing. It's not an easy job!
  • jaoonjaoon Posts: 1
    Would you give more information about HONDA TECH, location, website etc?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785
    I was referring to any Honda dealer.
  • I just had the timing belt, water pump, and serpentine belt replaced on my Honda CRV 2001. 2 days later, I started the car with my driver's door open and noticed it was knocking like a deisel. I let it warm up and it quieted down but never disappeared completely. I take it back to the mechanic and now he says the tensioner needs to be replaced for another $400 most of which is labor. The CRV has 117,000 miles on it which is why I was having the timing belt replaced. Shouldn't he have replaced the tensioner at the same time? He's telling me that the new belt made it go bad. Of course, the labor is to take it apart which wouldn't be necessary if they'd done it in the first place. They were quick to tell me other things that were wrong - like my valve cover gasket and an engine mount needed to be replaced, my brakes needed to be replaced/resurfaced, the oil pan had a leak and needed to be resealed, etc. But they didn't think the tensioner needed to be replaced???? By the way, two other mechanics have looked at the oil pan and there is absolutly nothing wrong with it. I would just switch mechanics but I feel they owe me what I paid $865 for plus another $350 for the motor mount and the gasket. Oh and this IS a Honda tech doing the work (or claims to be). Thanks for ANY help you can give me. :mad:
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    The normal procedure is to replace the timing belt, tensioner and water pump, since the cost of parts is significantly lower than the cost of labor.

    Was the work performed at the dealership, or is the Honda Tech doing it on the side?
  • Another example of the importance of having the work done by a mechanic that knows and understands the vehicle.
    My mechanic, (independent), also replaces some seals that are very inexpensive and are easy to replace when doing the timing belt procedure. I think they are cam seals, but I'm not positive.
    He also adjusts the valves during that procedure since it is so easily done at the time.
  • Thank you very much for your response. It was at a Honda Dealership. The same one I bought from in 2001. I emailed him early this morning to let him know I expected the tensioner to be replaced at the cost of the part only. Haven't heard back. Wonder why.... I've always praised the Honda name but I surely won't again and certainly won't buy one again unless there is a dealership with an ethical service department in the area. :mad:
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I've always praised the Honda name but I surely won't again and certainly won't buy one again unless there is a dealership with an ethical service department in the area.

    Dealerships are independantly owned. While you may have beef with the dealership, I would not project that on the brand it self.

    However, if you get nowhere with the dealership, you may want to get Honda corporate involved and see if they can put pressure on the dealer.
  • You are absolutely correct. My Hondas have always been quality vehicles. I just learned that this dealership and 3 others in the US are actually owned by PSC Automotive Group. That's why they didn't show up when I went to my "Owner Link" on the Honda website. I should have done my homework. I thought that since I was please with them 8 years ago, that I could trust them now. My fault. I am now working with another dealership in another city that is willing to help me. It will cost me but if it gives me peace of mind and my CR-V back in working order then it is worth it. Chalk it up to lessons learne :cry: d the hard way. Thanks for all your help.
  • Took it back in because it was sounding worse and worse and they wanted me to wait a week. After about an hour, I'm told that the tensioner IS bad and they want another $450 to fix it. I left. There was no way they could have inspected the tensioner. They offered to split the labor cost with me after I complained. I took it to a REAL service department today. I had barely settled into the waiting area when the service adviser asked me to come with him because he wanted me to see the problem. The timing belt was about a third of the way off!!! The edge was worn off and it had worn through the housing in numerous places so it had to be replaced. The tech had left the piece (washer?) off that holds the belt in place. There was also a ground that was unattached and a couple of other nuts and bolts that weren't where they were supposed to be. The oil seals they charged me to replace had not been replaced. I don't know what bothered me more - the fact that more damage is done and could have resulted is serious engine damage or the lies I was told to my face at the other dealership. I've got photos and parts from today and will do whatever it takes to get all of my money back. The only thing salvageable were the drive belts and the water pump. How many other people are being taken like this. :mad:
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Wow, that is some scammer dealership.

    Your optons are:

    1) Notify the dealership of the discovery. If they know what is good for them, they will refund the original charges, and ask you to sign a waver to protect them from litigation.

    2) If they ignore you, notify Honda Corporate. The phone number and address is in your owner's manual. Honda can pull the dealership's franchise license.

    3) Notify BBB.

    4) Take the original dealership to small claims court (Judge Judy kind of thing). It only costs $10-$15 to file, and you don't need a lawyer. Make sure you have all the ducks lined up. The court may ask for witness (second shop mechanic) testimony, however, the wirtten estimate from them, and the photos should be enough.

    The only way to prevent another person from being taken like this, is to make sure the dealership knows that victims can "kick back."

    I have taken a shop or two to small claims and won. They learned their lesson and hopefully stopped scamming people.

    One shop refused to pay. I sent all their info to the Sheriff. They siezed the shops account, gave me my money and took their cut (2x of what I got).

    Good luck. Courts are slow, but they work. It just takes persistence.
  • Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have everything written up and put in a call to the GM of the dealership. I will make it very clear that I am meeting with him only. I've heard that ganging up is one of their favorite intimidation tactics. I'll just walk away if I have to and go straight to the Sheriff and then to Honda Corporate. I like that better anyway because these guys (and the group that owns them) does not need to be doing business at, let alone for Honda. You have been most helpful!!! :lemon:
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have everything written up and put in a call to the GM of the dealership. I will make it very clear that I am meeting with him only. I've heard that ganging up is one of their favorite intimidation tactics. I'll just walk away if I have to and go straight to the Sheriff and then to Honda Corporate. I like that better anyway because these guys (and the group that owns them) does not need to be doing business at, let alone for Honda. You have been most helpful!!!

    I know it is going to sound sexist, but bring a male along.

    Many of the GM's are not your MBA educated business people. They are just glorified salesmen, who were really good at selling cars...

    When you bring this male along, you will see them addressing the male, most of the time.

    It is just what it is.

    I always get a different answer from the mechanics than my fiancee. Even though, she knows cars just as well as me. But, she is a girl and they tell her that she needs blinker fluid, and her halogen fluid is low.

    Hope this helps.
  • Your right. I wish it were other wise but it is especially true in SC. This is the state that still wants to secede from the USA. I can't even get the GM to return my calls to set up an app't. I will send registered letter tomorrow morning. SC Dept. of Consumer Affairs told me they will happy to help if I can't resolve it. Still think I should just go straight to Honda Corporate HQ. I REALLY need that money back since I had to pay almost the same amount to the service center that put it back in working order. It sounds like my Honda sounded before the scammers got hold of it. It purrs like a kitten. :P
  • I have to say that when the service manager finally got the whole story along with photos, documentation and receipts, they took swift action. The "check is in the mail" for the FULL amount of money I spent at their dealership. I did not have to sign my life away either!! DEFINITELY better than I expected. I thought I would be battling this out for weeks to come but they made it right. No, they're not holding a gun to my head to get me to write this either! Thanks for your help and encouragement!! :shades:
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Glad it all worked out for you.
  • cjz7cjz7 Posts: 5
    edited March 2010
    I have 90K mi on my 2005 CRV and at my last oil change, the shop said I need to think about replacing the timing belt. Does the 2005 CRV have a timing belt or chain? And on vehicles that do have timing chains, in lieu of a belt, do they need replaced? I am familiar with this routine maintenance, as it pertains to "belts" as I have had it done on my 1998 Accord. I'm questioning whether the 05 CRV has a belt?
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