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Pontiac Aztek



  • That is the beauty of GM Smart Lease.
  • gonzo7gonzo7 Posts: 259
    "Smart Lease" is an oxymoron.
  • xmf314xmf314 Posts: 154
    I wouldn't be surprised if terrorists purchased some Aztek's. They would make great car bombs.
  • I test drove a GT and have to admit that it was a great riding vehicle. Lots of room and enough power for my needs.
    What I liked about it most was it is a practical vehicle. I could care less that it looks odd. I drive an 86 Fiero GT anyway and it's never given me one bit of trouble.
    If the Aztek can come half as close to the sales numbers as the Fiero, Pontiac will kill it off for certain. They have habit of doing that with anything that works. Sure there are going to be some bugs, it's a first model year.
    I do plan on going back tomorrow and having a go at buying one. Not the GT however.
    Why all the bad vibes about it's looks? We know what it looks like so let's talk about how it performs.
  • Then just how are you reading the future? Could you enlighten us on exactly what scientific methods you are using to forecast resale on a vehicle that just came out. Speaking of which - PT Crusier and resale - the dealer here has a row of them under MSRP...they seem to have quit selling. What was it you said about PT resale when THEY first came out.
  • gonzo7gonzo7 Posts: 259
    It doesn't take a crystal ball to foresee where the Aztek's resale value is headed. They have been giving them away since day one. Notice that you don't see commercials much any more?
    Even if they do a panicked restyle it will doom the current "aesthetically challenged" ones to orphan status.
  • 95wrangler,
    No, it wasn't me who said something about the PT cruiser.

    I think what gonzo says about the Aztec selling with big discounts so early in it's first year out say a lot about it's resale value.

    GM cars inherintly are over produced to where many of their adds at the end of the year promote $5-$6k off MSRP. I know MSRP is a joke to begin with but usually the manufacturer gets it on the new stuff.
  • 95wrangler,
    No, it wasn't me who said something about the PT cruiser.

    I think what gonzo says about the Aztec selling with big discounts so early in it's first year out say a lot about it's resale value.

    GM cars inherintly are over produced to where many of their adds at the end of the year promote $5-$6k off MSRP. I know MSRP is a joke to begin with but usually the manufacturer gets it on the new stuff.
  • jmaterojmatero Posts: 253
    I have yet to see a dealer in the north east region that has multiple new PT's on the lot.... and if he did, I defy you to walk out of there with one much below MSRP (and if you do, you'll have other things tacked on). According to autonews, PT production is still at full bore. In fact, DC isn't taking further orders. If you found a dealer with more than one or two on the lot, chances are SOMETHING there is "not right". One dealer here in CT had 3 on the lot and a co-worker of mine was psyched about getting one under retail (according to the signs on the windows). Well, he "did" get it under retail, but in the end, he was forced to buy an aggressive appearance pkg. and extended warrenty. FORCED. As for Aztek re-sale value, you can go to money magazine or kiplingers to see actual resale figures. From what I read a few weeks ago, the Aztek is lower than other domestic minivans and more on par with domestic economy cars like the cavilier.... I'll find the link tomorrow morning but I believe it was approx 53% value after 2 years. That is at the VERY LOW END of the spectrum. Also, the production cuts at the Aztek factory can't help matters. I learned my lesson: If you only keep a car a couple of years, don't go domestic. If you like the aztek and safety and resale aren't a concern (meaning you're willing to drive it a minimum of 5-7 years) by all means, go for it. I'm not trying to insult anyone who already has an aztek, I hope you're happy with it. But the resale according to all sources is poor. This should not be a surprise really, imaging having 4 cars: A Honda Accord, A Dodge Caravan, a Chevy Blazer and a Pontiac Aztek. Now imagine having to sell them on your own... putting them on the front lawn with a for-sale sign. I'm sure the last to go would be the Aztek for the simple fact that it has the smallest "audience" out there. I mean, sedan buyers won't bite. SUV folks aren't interested, and a mother looking for a minivan won't take a second look. ALSO... resale plays another little talked about important role... Most people today put little down when buying a car. That is a BIG NO-NO when it comes to a model with below average resale because in the event it is in an accident and totalled or even stollen, you will be upside down... meaning, you won't get a check... the insurance agency will send GM the check and GM will come knocking on your door for the remainder. My suggestion is to Put AT LEAST 25% down on this vehicle.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    LOL trying to imagine who exactly would be dumb enough to steal an Aztek!
  • I agree with most of what you say, but what's the difference between putting 25% down now vs. having GM come knocking at your door later on - either way your depreciation is the same.
  • I'm still at a loss to understand how anyone can predict resale on a vehicle so new that virtually not ONE has been "resold" yet! Then, not knowing the future sales (new AWD) predict an event TWO years from now ??? Oh, on one count I saw TWELVE PT Cruisers languishing on the dealer lot here in MD. The artificial "demand" made by having only one shift working seems to have been filled now that they are under full (though soon pulled back) production. Hey, they can't complain...they did have a good run there for a short while!
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    PT Cruiser- 12,892 up from 11,180 in Sept.
    69,681 YTD

    Aztek- 2,926 up from 2,009 in Sept.
    6,681 YTD
    no need for a recount there :)
    PT Cruiser sales are still strong
  • maybe people will look back at the Aztec as one of those mistakes that the mints make on currency or upside down postage stamps where people will pay more than face value.

    But I think Pontiac will have to come out first and admit the whole design was a mistake and they really meant to build something people wanted.
  • are you sure those numbers reflect what the people of this fine country want?

    Will the Aztec protect social security and deliver our children to a better education. Will it provide jobs for Americans and bring the people together.

    Does anyone request a recount?
  • I know, this is a vehicle that reminds me of the "Vacation" mobile driven by Chevy Chase, but the Pontiac did get the size right, and the newer features on inside that would attract buyers. And they are right-on knowing that 99% of drivers never use 4x4.

    Personally, if it goes easier on my eyes with time like some other homely vehicles like the new Chevy Truck, Focus wagon, Maxima, Acura TL (the one with the crease down the middle) -- then this homely little thing could be a great used car buy, with its value dropping like a brick. What a better used vehicle (in economic terms) than one who loses tons of value in first two years? I can get one for about $5k pretty soon...or less.

    If they restyle it totally, it may make it. But I wonder what focus group gave the nod to that design. A more aero look would have gone a long way.

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I think a minor re-work is in the cards for 2002. Aside from the over-styling, it's a pretty decent truck/SUV. The Buick and Chevy versions coming look much better though.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    dindak- Don't you mean pretty decent mini-van?

    ajvdh- You beat me to it. Heard the same on the news last night. Me thinks there was a little wishful thinking by somebody. As the old saying goes: misery loves company. ;-)

    -Frank P.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Ya, whatever. It's hard to put a name on these vehicles. There are so many crossovers these days, I'm just not sure anymore.

  • They're all in peoples back yards! Looked at the last 50 PT Cruiser auctions that have ended on Ebay. Only 11 sold!!!!
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