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Pontiac Aztek

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  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Pontiac missed their mark on this vehicle. Sales are dismal, and the median age of purchasers is 42 years old. How many young adventurous people are going to buy a $25,000 mini van posing as an SUV? I am not knocking the practicality or quality of the Aztek, with less polarizing styling it could be a big success. But I think the vehicle as it sits is a tribute to confusion and lack of vision at GM. Ford's Focus has hit the demographic square on, Median age is 24 and sales are through the roof.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Not sure where you live but in the Toronto area, Azteks are being advertised for as little as $24,900 CDN (about $17k US) cash or 0.9% 48 month financing. You can probably do better also. I have seen a total of 5 on the road in the past 2 months, only 1 with dealer plates.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    you are wrong. Pontiac is not the lowest GM brand.
  • gonzo7gonzo7 Posts: 259
    Anyone find it ironic that when you do a topic search here on Edmund's for "aztek" the first topic listed is "ugliest vehicles of all time".

    There are some good Aztek jokes in the current edition of Autoweek mag.:

    A family accidentally drives their Aztek off the road into a lake. The fish, after seeing the Aztek, get together to remove the water pollution.

    After hearing that GM is already redesigning the Aztek a Ford designer said "Hopefully they are just going to make the tent big enough to cover the whole thing"
  • mateyomateyo Posts: 22
    In my driving life, I have owned the following GM vehicles:
    1975 Pontiac Astre (Vega clone)
    1979 Buick Century Sport Coupe (the fastback)
    1981 Olds Omega (X-car)
    1986 Chevy Cavalier (not weird, just boring)
    1990 Geo Storm (not sure how history is treating this one)

    I strayed to a Honda del Sol in 95 until I got my current Olds (RIP) Alero in 99. So given my colorful GM past, it's only natural that the Aztek has completely won my heart.

    I rented one on a recent weekend trip and was amazed at its high build quality, comfort, versatility and practicality. Three other people were with me and everyone enjoyed the ride, and one even complimented its looks! (The other two didn't say anything, maybe to be polite.) My mom and dad thought it was neat too. I had a total blast in that hmmm... vehicle.

    Let's see... with fire sale pricing, and another $1K from Oldsmobile, and dealers so anxious to sell that they'd probably inflate my trade value, I may be riding in style by next week! OK, not everybody's idea of style, but it's a "style" just the same.
  • Hey, Good luck if you get one. I'm sure they
    ride well and are comfortable--even somewhat safe. The problem seems to me that the Pontiac brand is questionable--and the exterior is absolutely hideous. However, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks,...If you like it, you should get it. I still think the idea behind it is great. As a designer, I'm not wild about the looks.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Where can you rent an Aztek??
  • lbthedoglbthedog Posts: 198
    Some people want others to believe that this vehicle is the death of GM. They couldn't be more wrong. Sure they wish they sold more. But parts of the Aztek story are going unnoticed. The Ramos plant has already begun building the Buick Rendezvous. If need be, they can build more Buicks and less Pontiacs. Buick has done a much better job introducing this vehicle. What has also been overlooked is the quality of the vehicles being delivered. You tell me who's doing a better job? Ford or Pontiac? Escape ain't exactly lighting the world on fire. This alone is amazing for GM. This vehicle line is not a huge investment for GM. It's significant and they better find a way making money. But the speed of engineering and intial quality numbers are outstanding for GM.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Escape not setting the world on fire? November sales were 13,000, putting them at #6 in SUV sales. YTD sales are 31,303, GM would kill to have sales figures like that. The only GM SUV that outsold it in Nov. was the Chevrolet Tahoe. The media sweetheart PT Cruiser sold 11,371. GM and all the manufacturers make money selling vehicles, so GM has a lot to worry about. 20% of GM models will be going away in the next couple of years, this info is from GM itself. A slow seller like the Aztek would be a likely target.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    True snuff. Escape is selling like hotcakes in spite of many problems and 5 recalls. Says a lot about the attractiveness of it. Aztek will never have the wide scale appeal of an Escape, but then again it was never suppose to. The Buick version will probably best Aztek at least 2:1 with in a month or two of release.
  • I am planning to buy another vehicle (4x4 or AWD) in the spring. I have ignored conference hyperbole and have done my best to be objective. My 1986 GMC Jimmy 4x4 is getting rather long of tooth and it's certainly time for a change. As with olives I find attraction to the Pontiac Aztek to be an acquired taste. I have been very satisfied with my Jimmy and the treatment I have received from the Pontiac dealership and do feel significant brand loyalty to GM. One major problem I am having is with MSRP. As an Ontario, Canada resident I have done my homework. Below are the MSRP's for the "loaded" vehicles which I have considered.

    Ford Escape XLT $33,455 CNDN

    Mazda Tribute ES $34,150 CNDN

    Hyundai Santa Fe GLS $29,250 CNDN

    Toyota RAV4 $33,965 CNDN

    Pontica Aztek $41,270 CNDN

    I am very much aware of the strengths and shortcomings of all of these vehicles and will spare you from having to read all of that again here. I am retired and long of tooth as well. The next vehicle I buy will undoubtedly be my last. I want a 4x4/AWD because I am too old and pooped to push in the snow. MSRP and gas mileage are issues because I don't have deep pockets. Of course I don't know what I would actually have to pay for any of the above but I assume a correlation between purchase price and MSRP.

    From my perspective the Aztek is just too expensive to be included in the same group as the others. At the moment it appears that I am going to have to do my best to "escape" the Aztek's higher MSRP. At these prices I just can't afford brand loyalty.

    Nevertheless I must also say that, if I could afford it, I'd just love to scare my neighbors!
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    You would not be paying anywhere near those numbers for anything other than the maybe the RAV4. Base Azteks are going for under 25k CDN and a loaded one would run not much more than $30K CDN.
  • mateyomateyo Posts: 22
    You can rent an Aztek at Avis. I rented the one I drove at Dallas Love Field, but I know that the O'Hare and LaGuardia locations both have them available. (ORD has a ton of them.)
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Thanx for the tip mateyo. If I need a rental I will definitely ask for an Aztek.

    Just read an interesting article in the 12/18 issue of Business Week. One of the main points they made was that the Aztek is over priced for it's 20 something target. Probably true. This vehicle seem to have more young fans and since it's made in Mexico, one would think GM could drop prices a bit. I'm sure if they did, sales would go up. Restyling the front would also help a lot.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,773
    In my overpriced post I was quoting what the GM web site gave me, and I see someone else got up to $41k. It may well be that they are being havily discounted but there is no "official" GM program I can find. Given that, I doubt that the $41k number could be had in the mid-$20s as you say.

    As for restyling the front end, I agree, it is bad... but not nearly as bad as the back! It looks like someone welded a Wonder bread truck onto a minivan.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Check the Toronto Star. Base models (still well eqiped with auto, air, cruise, CD) are advertised everywhere for under $25K CDN. That is with no negotiation. I'm sure a loaded GT can be had for around $30K. MSRP means nothing these days. there is an oversupply and dealers want to move cars. Even Toyota and Honda have 1.9% and 3.9% financing right now on some cars/trucks.
  • If you look at the shadow of an Aztek, and look at the shadow of the lexus, and a few others, you see an almost identical shadow! SO it seems that it is the specific details of the front end and rear that people have the problem with.

    I am a sci-fi buff and recently had a chance to watch an old logan's run tv show episode, and what did the vehicle look like? An Aztek!!!

    So it would seem that the Aztek was predicted by the series, or maybe the designers of the Aztek happened to be fans of the show. . . . .
  • gonzo7gonzo7 Posts: 259
    Are you saying the Aztek is like a creature from a Japanese Sci-Fi movie?

    The moral: The Aztek proves that man's ability to tamper with the forces of nature exceed his ability to comprehend what he has wrought.
    (Fade to scene in which an Aztek rises from Lake Michigan and destroys what is left of GM)
  • A few posts back some Aztek sales figures were posted showing that they had not even reached 10,000 yet. Where were those figures obtained from??
  • lbthedoglbthedog Posts: 198
    Over time this vehicle will do well. As a consumer there are some things that matter more than the "shiny package" they come in. No doubt that many of the people that do not care for the first generation U.-vans don't care for this. I do not know what values in other areas are like but around here, they've done very well as far as long time value goes. In fact some Taxi companies are running with them. They have proven to be very durable vehicles. Maybe it's a perception but this vehicle feels solid. And even if it's outselling it, the Escape having 5 recalls at the time of launch,well that's unacceptable. If it wasn't right, why did they start building it? But than again, the Escape is probably getting a lot of Explorer customers anyway.

    I like my Aztek. It may not appeal some, many , any, you pick the adjective. I do not understand why the same half dozen people continue to complain about it. No matter what you say, this thing gets a lot of attention. But that's not why I bought it. It's not a bad deal considering it's capabilities. And the prices quoted around here, well the low ones are closer to the truth. If you know how to buy a car that is.
  • bporter1bporter1 Posts: 229
    The sales figures for any vehicle sold in the US are available on JD Power's web site. The web address is www.jdpower.com
  • gonzo7gonzo7 Posts: 259
    For those of you who like the Aztek there are deals to be had.
    There are several dealers here advertising give-away deals on them. One dealer is advertising "Every Aztek $4,000 off MSRP- No add ons"
  • gonzo7gonzo7 Posts: 259
    History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man.
  • ngliebengliebe Posts: 11
    You are wise beyond your years.
    We shall bow our heads...
    "Please forgive them, for they know not what they do". And I thought the highway billboards were ugly...they just stood still. These things move around. However, it's their money.
    Diversity makes the world go 'round.
    By the way,...The shadow of my hand looks almost identical to the shadow of my German Shepard. For some weird reason, the dog still makes a better pet.
  • bob259bob259 Posts: 280
    mrbumble: Do your self a favor and before you pay that kind of price look at a MB ML320. It's in the same price range, but a much better vehicle. It's AWD has traction control and is listed as the safest SUV on the market.

    I made the switch from GM and couldn't be happier.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    bob : There is now way a ML320 is anywhere near the price of any Aztek (or any mid-size GM SUV for that matter). Sure the ML 320 is a great truck, but you pay for it.
  • Thanks for the JD Power link bporter1...

    I want to purchase an Aztek: it is useful, drives incredably smooth, and is drastically different. It worries me that they have not sold well however. It seems that Pontiac may have to try to do something different. Are they planning to restyle the Aztek? Have sales picked up lately as my local dealers are claiming?
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Actually, that's not necessarily true. If we look at the MSRP of the Canadian prices, the '01 ML320 Classic is only about CDN$6K+ more expensive than the Aztek. The Acura MDX is also another possibility around that price range.

    FWIW, I believe less than 300 Azteks have been sold in the whole of Canada since its debut. Not a very impressive showing, considering that the population is about 30 million. I have noticed that the Azteks that were hidden in the backlots have just recently been placed at the front of the dealerships. I wonder if the GM HQ had anything to do with this? Why, oh why, do they have to use that hideous (IMHO) almost neon green Aztek though?


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  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Well I don't know about you, but $6k is a lot of money to me. Further, you will pay no where near list for an Aztek. The ML320 price will not deviate much from list. I would say the difference would end up being more like C$10-12K.
  • I was patiently waiting for the AWD Aztek (which should have been offered when the vehicle debuted), and have come to discover this AWD "Vibe" wagon that will be a 2002. If this thing is what I think it will be, I'll probably wait a little longer and get one of those instead. I think it may be everything the Aztek wants to be, minus the tent. Does anyone else think this may be the better vehicle for "SRV" use? I started a topic in station wagons, but there's no interest yet...
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