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Subaru Outback vs Ford Freestyle

king6king6 Posts: 1
edited March 6 in Ford
Hi, new to the site and not sure if this had been started yet, but as a very proud ownder of a 99 Outback, I am a little annoyed by the introduction of the Ford Freestyle wagon. It looks virtually identical to the Outback, down to the contrasting grey fenders and bumper, factory roof rack, and windows. Isn't there some kind of copyright infringement going on here? Is it okay to buy this car instead of the Subaru because maybe some people dind't want to buy a Japanese car? Well there is a difference, which is so typical for american cars, it's bigger, what's worse is it's classified as an SUV (how does that work?) which means different tax breaks.

Are all the car companies going to start jumping on the band wagon (er station wagon band wagon) now?
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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Is also classified as an SUV FYI.

    -mike
  • The Freestyle gets much better milage than the Outback -my wife and I have averaged about 23 mpg in the year we've owned our 2006 Freestyle FWD, which cost us $24,000. I believe the Outback is more expensive.

    I have no idea what the Outback's safety rating is. The Freestyle is one of the safest vehicles on the market, such as the highest side-impact ratings WITHOUT side airbags.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Of course FWD is going to get better milage than AWD. That's like saying my Hyundai gets better milage than a Viper RT!

    -mike
  • rick2456rick2456 Posts: 320
    I thought all Outbacks were AWD? Also, the MPG figures (for the 6cyl OB) are similar for the AWD FS. Prices for the AB's are a bit higher and don't feature the discounts that the FS's have. IMHO
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    All Subarus have full-time AWD.

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,268
    That is all true, but the steeper the discount, the lower the resale. Depreciation on the Freestyle is typical Ford - not a concern, of course, if you are keeping it for a long period of time, but if it is financed then GAP insurance is a good friend! Then there are reliability concerns. I have not heard good things in that department from locals who own them, but aside from the bugs, they do like the vehicles. *shrugs*
  • Greetings:

    I have a friend who purchased a 2005 Outback a few months before I got my 2005 Freestyle. It is a nice enough vehicle but much smaller than my Freestyle. He rode in my Freestyle and noted how much roomier is was. I also took a ride in his Outback and noticed how cramped I felt inside. I'm 4' 26" and there was barely enough room for my legs with the seat in the rearmost position. Plus, there is very little cargo room behind the rear seats whereas the Freestyle has lots of room. The OB does have nicer interior materials, but the lack of space and power (his is the 2.5i) in comparison to my FS confirms I made a good choice. Of course the OB is fine for those who don't need a larger AWD vehicle. The B9-Tribeca is more similar to the Freestyle than the Outback is.

    Regards -

    M. J. McCloskey
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    When the Freestyle is in for brake line replacements (ala Tarus) in 2 years....

    -mike
  • How unfair of Ford to offer a low-milage vehicle to customers who want one!
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Freestyle holds 7, Outback holds 5. Different class of vehicles. There are a lot of crossovers now that are pretty similar looking today, just like many 4dr sedans all look pretty similar.

    Actually though, the Freestyle doesn't look all that similar to the Outback:
    http://images.consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/autoreview/400x266/2006-subaru- -outback-06810061990006.jpg

    http://www.car-data.com/photos.30/p.ford.freestyle.30.1.jpg

    If anything, the Cadillac XRX looks a lot like the Freestyle:
    http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/magazine/images/2006cadillacsrx/2006CadillacSRX- PanRight01Fixed.jpg

    As does the Saturn Outlook:
    http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/04/5aa3de4188cea12ebb5deb05ba4dce01.jpg
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    Consumer Reports was clear on the Freestyle: Poor reliability. So, if you want one, lease it. But as McCloskey says, its more comparable to a Tribeca, on size. Edmunds TMV is $26,840, but you can find $3,500-$4,000 on a rebates, take'em for repairs. Tribeca TMV is $31,070, bu you can find '06s at $27,000.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    If you look in the latest CR it's considered Average (open circle). And it's not comparable to a Tribeca on size http://www.cars.com/go/compare/trimCompare.jsp?acodes=USB70SUS051D0,USB70FOC192A- 0

    The Tribeca is 10" shorter on the outside and inside, it has 6" less 2nd row legroom, 3" less 3rd row legroom, 2.5" less 3rd row headroom, and only 8CuFt of luggage space behind the 3rd row as compared to 20CuFt with the Freestyle. Comparisons can be made on other aspects, but in terms of interior space there is no comparison.
  • Greetings bobw3:

    I agree that the FS is noticably larger than the B9, and more versatile too. However, my comment was to say the B9 was a better comparison to the FS than the OB. The Feb '07 issue of Automobile has a 'Four Seasons Wrap-up' on the B9. In summary, they place the B9 behind the FS, Pilot and new CX-9 in the 'booming' CUV segment. While the B9 certainly has its attributes, the full article confirms my choice of purchasing the FS was the best one for me. With just a bit over 32K miles in L/T 2 years, I hope my FS will provide me with many more trouble-free miles.

    Regards -

    M. J. McCloskey
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I wouldn't consider a Subaru in the same class as a Ford.

    Ford/Hyundai/Chevy/Dodge - All bottom feeders

    I consider Subaru a more mid-line manufacturer, so although you can look at the figures, the level of manufacture, quality, reliability, etc are vastly different.

    -mike
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    the level of manufacture, quality, reliability, etc are vastly different. Please provide the facts, web links, etc backing up this overgeneralization about the vast differences.

    Plus if quality is the number one issue, then the Toyota Highlander or Honda Pilot are just as vastly better than Subaru then you claim the Subaru is vastly better then the others you mentioned.

    And even if the quality of the Tribeca is slightly higher, if it doesn't meet the needs because of it's small size, then it doesn't make sense to buy it.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Toyota and Honda are vastly above the level of Subaru, just as Subaru is vastly above the level of Ford.

    It would be like comparing an AWD Ford 500 to say an AWD A6.

    Both are mid-size sedans.
    Both are AWD.
    Both have V6.

    But would you really consider them comparable in both price and quality? I highly doubt it.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Just my opinion therefore I don't need any "facts" as I'm not sure where one would find any "facts" that tell of how a car feels, all of those would be opinions.

    I know you are gonna pull out the "but the explorer is the #1 selling SUV in america, therefore it can't be bad" that's an old arguement that doesn't hold water.

    -mike
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Actually, I don't have any opinions on the Explorer, but if it's your opinion that after driving both vehicles, the Ouback feels better than the Freestyle, then that's a fair opinion.

    Also, if you feel that Honda is vastly superior to Subaru, and Subaru is vastly superior to Ford, then what adjective will you use to compare Ford to Honda ;)
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    CR Overview

    Highs: Ride, access, visibility, useable third-row seat.
    Lows: Engine noise, tire grip, stability control unavailable.
    The Freestyle combines traits of a wagon, minivan, and SUV. Interior packaging is impressive, and even the third-row seat offers sufficient space for adults. Cabin access and visibility are commendable. The ride is firm but comfortable. Handling is fairly agile, although the Freestyle's tail slid easily in our avoidance maneuver. Unfortunately, stability control is not available. The V6 provides adequate performance and returns 18 mpg overall. Engine noise is pronounced when accelerating. Side- and curtain air bags will become standard later in the 2007 model year. Reliability has improved to average.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Maybe you could copy/past the same information for the Outback or Tribeca and maybe we'll find some vast differences. ;)
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