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Subaru Outback vs Ford Freestyle

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,679
    All this support for CVT piqued my interest to the point that I figured I would at least try it. I contacted the local Ford dealership to schedule a test drive just to get a seat-of-the-pants feel for the CVT and associated reactive AWD, and to test its ability in steep hill start and climb situations similar to that observed previously, etc. The dealership never returned my phone message - there is some great service! But alas, I am holding out hope. I will try again and see what happens. Maybe they are reluctant since I told them up front that I am not in the market to buy. :sick: I know a few roads near the dealership that should give it a good workout.

    If the CVT was not problematic in and of itself, it really seems like a poor choice to nix it outright so soon after implementing it. I have read that it was, but the experiences here dispute that. If Ford is manufacturing the units itself, then the investment is probably not even paid off yet. If under contract, then it is was probably a 3-MY contract they are choosing to not renew. When was it first introduced, 2005?
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • Maybe they are reluctant since I told them up front that I am not in the market to buy

    Yep, that mighta done it. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I test drove one and the CVT didn't stand out. In fact at the time I didn't even realize I was driving a CVT, and that's a good thing.

    -juice
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,679
    Well, I still want to give it a try. I am going to give it another shot this Friday.

    I guess I could also go drive a Nissan, but I would rather try it out in a car I might actually consider owning.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • rick2456rick2456 Posts: 320
    MSRP was 33k, I got it for 25K plus tax.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,679
    I heard back from the Ford dealership late last week. The fella was very nice and personable (something I have come to expect over the last couple of months!), and we chatted a bit about the car, etc. He asked me to wait to test drive until after the weather breaks (still topping out at about -5F during the day) so it is easier for them to get the car prepped. I told him I was really not in the market to buy, but that I was extremely dissatisfied with the Subaru I just purchased and therefore wanted to "run the gauntlet" on all the other vehicles I am or was considering should I decide to dump the Subaru in the next few months. He offered me 10K off MSRP right off the bat, which was something close to $33K,(we were discussing an SLT AWD - not sure of features on it, but from the Ford website I get the feeling this is the mid-level trim, but base level for AWD) and asked me if that would help get me in the market. I laughed, told him that right now I just wanted to test drive it, and finished up with telling him that if the car was up to snuff and I later decided to dump the Subaru, it might be enough to get me to consider coming back. :P
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • "He offered me 10K off MSRP right off the bat,"

    I seriously don't believe you.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,679
    That is fine by me. After the fiasco that lead up to my even taking the time to look at new vehicles, I am quite used to people not believing me. Ask Mike about brake pads and rotors - I think he still does not believe me.

    Word for word, the individual said, "Would ten grand off MSRP get you in the market?" Whether he would hold to that, I know not and, at this point, am not concerned. Whether you believe it, I am also not concerned. Doubt is a good thing, because it leads to questions, research, and answers. ;)

    Frankly, I would not even consider purchasing a domestic product without a steep discount because of the depreciation they take anyway. Sure, I could pay $27K for an MSRP $33K Ford, but that does not mean I can turn around and sell it for any more than $22K the moment I drive away.

    On the other hand, I am actually considering the sale of my Subaru because I can sell it for $20K+ today and purchased it for $21.7. That is still cheaper than an 8-week rental. But, just because other people like the car does not mean I must.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • Are we talking an '06 or an '07 Freestyle. Has it been previously titled? Was it wrecked during a test drive maybe?

    If it's not previously titled, and it's never been wrecked, and they will sell it 10K under sticker (I doubt they would), then you should immediately shovel that foot of snow out of your driveway and rush down to your Ford dealer with checkbook in hand before they realize their mistake.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I believe it, but just be sure to read the fine print.

    They'll probably add $600 in freight, $400 processing fee, plus add back the $400 military rebate you don't qualify for, plus the $500 recent college grad rebate you also don't qualify for, plus you'd have to finance through Ford Credit at a very high rate to get that price.

    I do believe the $10k off list, but they'll make it up somewhere else. Car dealers aren't in the biz to lose money.

    I bought a '91 Escort new, and got the college grad rebate, but not the military one. They added freight, processing fee, and tried to sign me at 12.5% interest. :surprise:

    I'm not saying don't buy it, just beware, that's all.

    -juice
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,679
    Hahah... thanks for the responses! Seriously! To answer questions though... I have no answers. I only spoke with the fella for about 3 minutes, most of which was BS speak that had nothing to do with cars at all. He said what he said, and I responded as indicated. I *think* we were talking about an '07 Freestyle SLT AWD, as that was what I told him I wanted to test drive in a prior email. Beyond that, I make no guarantees. :P

    Were I interested in buying, numbers would have to get concrete real quick before I sat down to sign paperwork. Right now, I just want to drive the darn thing. In my mind, the CVT and reactive AWD are still low points. Like I said before, all the positive praise here has piqued my interest to try it out for myself. But, when I do drive it, I will ask him for an OTD price so as not to leave this conversation in limbo. :blush:

    There are 5-6 other makes/models I want to drive as well. The Subaru would be perfect if it did not sound like it was going to start falling apart around me and they could get the moisture-in-the-lamps problem resolved. This is month 2... what will it be like in year 8?
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,863
    "I *think* we were talking about an '07 Freestyle SLT AWD, as that was what I told him I wanted to test drive in a prior email."

    Freestyle SEL, maybe? I've never heard of an "SLT" trim... :confuse:
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,679
    Oh, right. Sorry, it is SEL. Alphabet soup! :sick:
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
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