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  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Because the 2.0 in the new Lancer is the Hyundai-developed GEMA engine, while the Eclipse V6 is basically a set of MIVEC heads on the old 6G7x V6.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    6G7x V6.

    Good engine when Twin Turbo's were added. ;)

    Rocky
  • ozzexozzex Posts: 10
    dudes, looks like nobody knows about mitsu, everybody gets tired saying that toyota and honda are the best, well let me tell you this, they suck big time. honda have like twenty years on f-1 and only one championship when they were togetjer with mclaren, so its basically mclaren champ, toyota have never won anything and they run on every single little class, from paris-dakkar, now lisboa-dakkar to F-1 and now nascar, they have millions in budgets and teams, mitsu runs only a few, no big budgets and they win everything, more than 6 time champions of WRC (world rally championship) lancer EVO form the 1 to the 10. 11 times Paris-dakkar with the montero, 6 on a row including 2006 that just finish, the new baja 1000 with the raider.
    whats the problem ladies and gentleman; "the tree big ones", toyota, honda and nissan dont want to share the market, even hyundai it's doing things better than those 3, how its the honda civic car of the year, that car its nothing, how the honda ridgeline its truck of the year, thats unacceptable, but people buy what they think its good, look at the tests on this page of for example: 07 outlander and 07 rav-4, mitsu its way better, more features and specs, but where a spec of the outlander its almost, i mean fractions of difference of any spec form the rav-4, rav-4 get excellent or very good and outlander gets good or normal, for me toyota and honda sucks, nissan not that much, look at recalls from the eclipse 06 they have what 3 i believe, 06 civic have like 12, so people comon, dont let yourself be tricked and your mind poisoned. Any mitsubishi car will destroy the same class car on toyota or honda, and if you get it tunned, then get ready to kick some as...s :mad:
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    ozzex, man, two words:

    Spell
    Check

    Other than that, we all know Mitsu has engineering prowess in spades, and every now and then they seem to know a good price point.

    Fact is, occasionally their execution and quality control are dicey, and they usually don't have the most sophisticated or refined offerings. End result is that their regular passenger offerings have been lacking in value, refinement, styling and efficiency, and that, other than some of the EVO experience now and the Eclipse experience of nearly ten years ago, we haven't seen bupkus from them to achieve any solid spots on the leader board.

    Add to all that a dealership network that makes "Girls Gone Wild" look wholesome, and they have some ground to make up.

    Frustrating, because they really can put it all together from time to time. '97 Eclipse GSX, for example, IMO.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    Are you kidding your saying Honda has done nothing. Look at their sales. I am a honda fan and your saying Hyundai has done more than Honda? Hyundai sure they are competitive now but look at what Honda has done since the 80's. Their only YTD date losses in sales in the US were 1991-1993 in the past 2 and a half decades. Hyundai just stepped into being competitive in the US market 6 years ago as far as product goes and up to 1998(the first year they offered the 10 year warranty)they were pretty unreliable automobiles. I do like Mazda too but they are just starting to show something in the US market after years of rebuilding their line-up.

    The only thing I;m with you on is the Ridgeline winning truck of the year since I think the Ford F Series should have maybe won it. I haven;t compared the RAV 4 with the Outlander but the Outlander does look nice looking though.

    As far as winning races the Domestic Big 3 have won every NASCAR race for awhile but thats racing and yeah I do like NASCAR The Domestics market share has been down for the past 10 years vs the Japanese and lately the Koreans in the US. What I am trying to say is winning in different forms of racing doesn;t transalate into big sales numbers automatically.

    As far as any Mitsu product beating a Honda product I don;t know about that. Depends what you are looking for. If Mitsu is the product for you than its the product for you. For the record, I do like the exterior of the Endeavor alot better than the Pilot's exterior so I'm not biased towards Honda.

    As far as saying the Civic is nothing it has been a class leader(or one of the leaders)in the compact car game for years.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,270
    I don't know if winning rally races has any direct connect with people driving to work. That said I think based on experience Mitsu compares well with the other guys. The Mitsu engine in my Chrysler is the nicest running motor I have ever had. Also I have owned Toyotas which were total junk (maybe I got the token lemon). I agree that perception is reality and people think Toyota and Honda are superior. They will keep buying them until there a few scandals or exploding gas tanks.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    "The Mitsu engine in my Chrysler is the nicest running motor I have ever had."

    Which Chrysler? I owned a '95 Stratus with the Mitsu 2.5L six and a 2001 Sebring coupe with the 3.0L six, and both were smooth, capable and flawless, so my experience tallies with yours.

    I'm a Mitsu fan when it comes to engineering, but they've historically dropped the ball in so many other regards in North America that it's very difficult to keep cheering. One keeps hope, though...
  • ozzexozzex Posts: 10
    i'm sorry about my spell, english its my second language, if you you want i can write this in spanish or portuguese but i doubt you will understand, i want to see you speaking 3 languages, even worst, writing 3 languages, but you are right sorry about my spell, i just realize the spell check button.
    well, like you guys just said, honda it's not the best because they sell a lot, i dont hate honda or toyota, i'm just saying that the market in USA it's conducted by the media, people buy what "they" say it's the best.
    And the guy who said people dont need a rally winner car to go to job, now i ask you these, you dont need a formula 1 or a 5 ton tow capacity or a 8 passenger SUV either, or a nascar car right?. so why these companies invest all that money, simple answer: Reputation.
    About the civic: if they sell millions, well they can get the "Best seller car of the century" if you want, in USA of course. ok they are reliable, but not the BEST car, its too much even for honda.
    that car has no "art of the state engineering" at all.
    it's a good teenager or first car, or cheap tuning car but thats all, i want to know if any of the motor trend guys owns a civic, i bet you they dont, unless he get it for free as a trade to win the award.
    About honda has done nothing, well sorry but they haven't. Name one development of these company who has change the way of making cars. Answer: NONE.
    They have reliable cars, cause on the truck segment: they are NEW, on bikes they are good.
    What i mean it's, so many years leading the market and their flagship it's the civic. COME ON.
    They wont even let renault or citroen to come and compete, one (renault) F-1 champion; citroen, WRC former champion, Peugeot, WRC former champion.
    So you will be asking yourself, why they sell better than anybody? well american cars has to face that the muscle cars are good cars if you have the pocket to pay for a 10mpg car with terrible quality, and they were ugly until a few years, they have improve a LOT now, but they still expensive, and an EVO or STI can beat them on the truck anytime, with half size engine.
    Well these companies have something that its really important, GREAT i mean AMAZING marketing.
  • ozzexozzex Posts: 10
    Sorry about what i'm about to say, but NASCAR it's the most stupid car race in the world. Of course thats my opinion but i dont see any fun watching cars doing circles for hours, i mean whats the point, don't crash? Its so boring, F-1, Rally, Indy, gran turismo, even go karts, requires more ability and its lots funnier than NASCAR, that by the way its the only car racing that no one else in the world does, its pointless. You dont even need i pilot, just put a robot at the steering wheel.
    Seriously, what you prove? put a f-1 on a NASCAR race, it will destroy the track record, now put a nascar car at a F-1 track, won't be able to do the first corner.
    You need to watch f-1 or rally dude, there are really good drivers, the best of the world.
    Even Drag races has a point, who has the best acceleration? but nascar? no wonder why only domestics race on that crap.
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    "Even Drag races has a point, who has the best acceleration? but nascar? no wonder why only domestics race on that crap."

    Obviously TOYOTA doesn't think like you...they are entering into the NEXTEL Cup Series this year. Sure NASCAR has a point, it is to see who can run the most laps the quickest. ;)
  • ozzexozzex Posts: 10
    "Sure NASCAR has a point, it is to see who can run the most laps the quickest."

    thats the point on every race, what i meant, its on development, and toyota get in nascar, like i said before, cause of marketing strategies.
    They want to get into the american roots, thats all.
    But i bet you, japan headquarters hate NASCAR, as the rest of the world.
    Why they run F-1 around the world, also rally, also bikes gp, even gran turismo, but Nascar stays here cause nobody else like it.
  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    ozzex -

    I think you're a little light on your F-1 History regarding Honda.

    Honda won it's first F-1 race in 1965 using a car of it's own design - both chassis and engine.

    Honda returned to Formula One in 1983 as an engine supplier and stayed in the sport for a decade, at various times teaming with Lotus, McLaren, Tyrrell and Williams. Honda engines were considered the ticket to Grand Prix glory due to their power, reliability, and winning track record. Honda supplied its engines to six constructor champions, as well as five driver championships (3 by Senna, 1 by Piquet, and another by Prost), before dropping out of the sport again. Honda-powered cars had won 71 Grands Prix, by the end of the 1992 season.

    Honda didn't return until 2000, and then with the unfortunate BAR team and the rather good Jordan team. The problems with these teams cars were mostly from chassis design and team organization, rather than from the Honda engines.

    On the other hand, I can't seem to recall a Mitsubishi victory in Formula 1 at all.

    As far as Mitsubishi street vehicles, as has been stated above - they're very nice designs, rather questionably executed. They have the potential to be great, but -frankly- aren't right now.

    That's why the topic topic of this discussion contains the word "Reborn" in it. You might also want to note the question mark after "Reborn".
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    well, like you guys just said, honda it's not the best because they sell a lot, i dont hate honda or toyota, i'm just saying that the market in USA it's conducted by the media, people buy what "they" say it's the best."

    I agree with your theory sort of because of think people do buy cars by reccomendations by friends and family or by word of mouth. I like Honda because I have been a fan since I was 14 years old(I am now 27)and I have criticized Honda at times on these boards for the most part dropping the ball on the 03 Accord restyle and also the 07 MDX is just ugly I think. I don't go by word of mouth or what somebody else says about a car in terms of what car I am going to buy. When I had a Mazda and I was working in an office setting people looked down on Mazda and say I should buy a Honda, Toyota, and Nissan because they hold their value better(which is true)or they didn;t know what a mazda even was.

    "About the civic: if they sell millions, well they can get the "Best seller car of the century" if you want, in USA of course. ok they are reliable, but not the BEST car, its too much even for honda.

    The Civic is not going to win any kinda best century of the car award. Are you kidding. We're talking about a compact car and not a Mercedes.

    "that car has no "art of the state engineering" at all."

    Wat do you mean state of the art? The Lancer doesn;t have any state of the art engineering either from what I am aware of.

    "it's a good teenager or first car, or cheap tuning car but thats all, i want to know if any of the motor trend guys owns a civic, i bet you they dont, unless he get it for free as a trade to win the award."

    I agree its good for a first car. The motor trend guys are older in the 30's-50's I think they'll probably own somrthing like an Accord or a chrysler 300.

    "About honda has done nothing, well sorry but they haven't. Name one development of these company who has change the way of making cars. Answer: NONE."

    Has Mitsu really changed the way of making cars? I don;t think so either.

    "What i mean it's, so many years leading the market and their flagship it's the civic. COME ON."

    Their flagship is the Accord to me.

    "Well these companies have something that its really important, GREAT i mean AMAZING marketing."

    Well obviusly they do they get the word of mouth around but than again I think Toyota had some of their worst advertising campaigns before their "Moving Foward" campaign.

    Your acting like Mitsu is a class leader in every segement. I mean they have good engines. I can take an arguement from a GM or Ford fan because of the abuse they take from Japanese Car Fans or even say Mazda vehicles are more competive than they were 10 years but you are talking about Mitsu here.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "Of course thats my opinion but i dont see any fun watching cars doing circles for hours, i mean whats the point, don't crash? Its so boring, F-1, Rally, Indy, gran turismo, even go karts, requires more ability and its lots funnier than NASCAR, that by the way its the only car racing that no one else in the world does, its pointless."

    I used to watch Indy Car but once the IRL came in to me it ruined both Indy Car and the IRL. I think Indy Car is now called the Champ Car Series. There is no superstar drivers in Champ Car(formely called Indy Car.) In the earky to mid 90's you had Al Unser Jr, Bobby Rahal, Michael Andretti, Paul Tracy, Robby Gordon, and Emerson Fitipaldi. I just tuned off because Indy Car(now called champ car) lost my interest.

    F-1 I tried to watch it but it just doesn't interest me. Just the lack of passing each other just bothers me. I can watch motorcycle racing though.

    "Seriously, what you prove? put a f-1 on a NASCAR race, it will destroy the track record, now put a nascar car at a F-1 track, won't be able to do the first corner."

    Not everything is about how fast you can go. In NASCAR the fastest car doesn;t always win the race.

    "Even Drag races has a point, who has the best acceleration? but nascar? no wonder why only domestics race on that crap."

    I used to watch drag racing all the time in the mid to late 90's but I just don;t watch it anymore. I still like the sport though but just don;t watch it anymore. I have gone to an NHRA drag race 3 times. The drag races are really fun to go to too.

    As far as NASCArR goes that won me over in 1994. I was a Rusty Wallace fan forever until he retired. Now I have to root for Kurt Busch because he drives Rusty's car now.

    Rally-I have appreciation for what those guys do though despite not watching it. Robby Gordon races Rally sometimes I think. Thats a tough sport.

    I just spent a whole post on every racing series. Lets get back to talking about Mitsu.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "Why they run F-1 around the world, also rally, also bikes gp, even gran turismo, but Nascar stays here cause nobody else like it."

    F-1 has really never been popular in the US. NASCAR has a big fan base in the US.

    "But i bet you, japan headquarters hate NASCAR, as the rest of the world."

    That comment is a little drastic.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "development, and toyota get in nascar, like i said before, cause of marketing strategies.
    They want to get into the american roots, thats all."

    Remember winning on Sunday does not mean automatically sell on monday. Look at my most before about the Domestics winning every NASCAR race for years but that hasn;t transalated(for the Domestic 2.5) into keeping their 70% market share of the US market that they had in 1997.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,270
    1997 Cirrus. Same car as your Stratus. 2.5L engine. I like to keep cars until they die of old age. My record so far is a 1969 Plymouth that ran 158000K and took all the teen-age abuse I could throw at it before it finally rusted out. The winter salt in NY really eats cars. I'm hoping the Cirrus will last at least that long...seems to be a bit more rust resistant than other cars I've owned, especially my Totota.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    I think the Mitsu-powered Cloud cars were way in front of their class in most repects when thy hit in '95, and that little 2.5 was a big part of it for me. What miffed me was the utter lack of investment in the platform as it aged. They failed to update it to keep it competitive.

    Subsequent iterations have been nothing to write home about, IMO.

    A rust-resistant Chrysler, eh? Unheard of dear boy, unheard of... ;)
  • ozzexozzex Posts: 10
    I use to live in Peru (south america for the retards), and we have japanese and asian cars before usa, but we had before only american cars, my grandpa had like 6, then came asian cars and took over the market together with the european cars, we have Toyota, Nissan, Mitsu, Hyundai, Daewoo, Kia, Susuki, Sang yong (Asia)Volkswagen, Audi, Bmw, Mercedes Benz, Alfa romeo, Volvo, Renault, citroen, Peugeot, Seat, Ferrari, Lambo, Jaguar, etc. (europe)
    And imagine that now we dont have USA cars, only ford and chevy. And a few, very few chryslers.
    Now imagine that asian cars and europeans are under same categories prices, thats why i was telling you that they dont want that to happen here or bye bye domestics.
    Well, my first car was a 82' nissan sunny, it was a good car but automatic transmission, by the way i hate automatic, it takes away all the fun, real cars use Stick shift.
    Then i bought a 92 hyundai sonata, by the way the sonata exists since 86 or before. This sonata had a mitsubishi engine, i swear like 200,000 miles and nothing never broke, it was really fast, never major serviced or nothing, i'm telling i pushed that motor to the limits, it was a really BAD [non-permissible content removed], not because it was big or stupid fast, it was built to last forever, when i left Peru the car still working like new, on the way i bought a 89 Ford Bronco Eddie Bauer from an american that worked on the american embassy, in 2 years and less than 100,000 miles i had two replace pretty much everything. My Nissan broke like 10 times too, my aunt peugeot the same, my friends cars also, bmw's, benz's, alfa's, but my hyundai with lancer engine never did. That car was the S*h*i*t
  • te1963te1963 Posts: 13
    I do think that Mitsu is in the middle of turning things around. Last spring I looked at a Galant. I was impressed with the power and looks, but my wife vetoed me and we ended up with an Accord EX. In December, we bought a 2000 Eclipse GT for our 17 year old son. Great car. Lots of power and looks. Just for fun, our son tried out an 07 Eclipse GT. He actually preferred his 2000. He said the 07 felt too big on the outside and too cramped on the inside. It is a really sharp looking car though. I really like the new Outlander and the 08 Lancer looks to be a great product. I'm looking forward to a new Galant. Maybe I can trade my Sienna minivan on one.
  • dave82dave82 Posts: 43
    Mitsubishi can't claim that they're starting to turn things around while they're still losing hundreds of millions of dollars every year. They're surviving only because the other Mitsubishi companies gave them a $10 billion cash infusion.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Yeah, but they at least they are starting a turn around..... ;)

    Rocky
  • Quote: Has Mitsu really changed the way of making cars? I don;t think so either.

    Don't be so sure. Silenet Shaft, an implementation of balance shaft Mitsu had done in 1975, had been licensed to Fiat, Saab, and Porche.

    Maybe it's a little thing. If it wasn't a good idea, tell the group why other manaufacturers wanted to technology.
  • that site has some good views of the new '08 Lancer. Good informative article, too.

    It looks like I would go for the middle model, the ES, that has power w's, l's and m's and air conditioning and the 16" wheels. The 160 watt Pioneer would be good for sound and I would want the 5-speed model.

    Your link listed a base DE '08 Lancer for only $14,000, so I wonder if the ES would run around $15,000 for the 5-speed stick. Pretty reasonable. Sounds like the "middle" grade model also has an armrest on the console.

    The dash lighting system looks great. I have now placed the 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer ES 5-speed in Boysenberry Blue at the very top of my futures list. At $15,000-$15,500 I would definitely pop for one of these. They hit the styling right smack on top of the nailhead on this Lancer. Nice to see! ;)

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Yeah, I figured you'd like it ! ;)

    Rocky
  • wrong with one of those '08 Lancers. They are sharp. I think that Mitsubishi has a solid engineering team and I would trust the build on the car. Even though it's a first year model how many years has Mitsu been making the Lancer? Lots of 'em! They'll build 'em to last.

    What's cool is that they're not pricing them outta sight. I'm definitely interested! How's the Warranty on these cars? Isn't it 10 years, 70,000 miles or something like that?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • is same as Hyundai/Kia's. The guy that ran Hyundai/Kia, and started this whole 10/100K deal in 1999, he ran Mitsubishi for a short period of time, and got them to go along with a Hyundai-Like Warranty, which they still have today.
    http://www.ae-plus.com/OEM%20News/News-103.htm
    Finbarr O'Neill was the guy.
    This is an extremely nit-picky thing, but I wonder why you can Not order(as an option) the leather wrapped steering wheel/shifter for the Mid-Level Lancer? I guess I could get a "Wal-Mart" 10 dollar "leather" wrap for the steering wheel, if it bothered me sooo much.
    Maybe they did not mention it in the article above, or I just happen missed it?
    take care/not offense.
  • I was wondering if I could order a spoiler on the ES "middle" Lancer model. I bet ya dollars to glazed Winchell's Apple Fritters that we could order a spoiler on an ES or not get a wrapped steering wheel if we don't want one.

    However, I have been wrong before so let's take this on and find out the answer before we go in to deal. I am even more excited about these Lancer's than I am about the 2007 Suzuki SX4's. This is the car I have been waiting for and it doesn't look like it's gonna be over-priced, either.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • the 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer.

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    Look closely at the numbers in the middle. It looks like a temp.gauge(outside temp.gauge) and a running computation miles-per-gallon-onamer there. Very nice. The 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer ES comes with front disc brakes and rear drum brakes and ABS with Electronic Brake Force Distribution for added safety.

    Estimates are for the DL(low end Lancer) model pricing at around $14,000. Like to see what they're pricing the ES at. I want one! :)

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

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