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Cadillac Escalade



  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    if you ask the Excursion/suburban/yukon xl guys. I only have a measly trooper so I guess I shouldn't be talking. I believe the LC/LX470 do have Traction Control now though, but I could be wrong, and I know the Sequioa does.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    sweetjeldorado- I sense in your comment (and from others on this forum), that if it's not "full-size," it's not as good—or as you you say—in the same league—as the Escalade?

    Paisan is right. People who own (larger still) Suburbans, Yukon XLs, and Excursions feel the same way towards the Escalade, and other Expedition-sized vehicles. Do I agree with them. No. I think they're nuts, as I do for many people who buy these huge "beasts" (your word, not mine).

    If you "need" (not want, but NEED) a large full-size SUV, then by all means, get one. However, most people can get all the luxury and SUV all-weather capability in many mid-size (or smaller) SUVs. Personally I'd much rather have the smaller ML or an X5, to the much larger Escalade.

  • My friend, you need not assume and ask me directly if Escalade is better than the ML and X5. Reread my post and know what I meant.

    Where did I said that the Escalade was better than the Mercedes and BMW? The Escalade is for a different buyer while the Mercedes and BMW is for another different type of buyer. The Escalade is for the type of crowd that wants plushness with ride comfort with a lot of cargo room while the Mercedes and BMW is for the crowd that wants a crossover vehicle that handles like a car rather than a completely truck derivative of a truck. Until Cadillac produce a similar SUV to them or BMW and Mercedes built a product similar to the Escalade, full size, they don't compare and anyone on here know good well they don't.

    "Personally I'd much rather have the smaller ML or an X5, to the much larger Escalade."

    Well, get one then. I would rather be seen in the Escalade rather than the ugly Isuzi Trooper and the Subaru Wagon.

    "Paisan is right. People who own (larger still) Suburbans, Yukon XLs, and Excursions feel the same way towards the Escalade, and other Expedition-sized vehicles. Do I agree with them. No. I think they're nuts, as I do for many people who buy these huge "beasts" (your word, not mine)."

    To each their own.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Did I say that your Escalade is ugly? Nope, Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder. You need not call my ugly Isuzu Trooper (and please spell it correctly when ditching on it)!

    For one thing, I'm glad that Caddy finally caught up to the Trooper as far as features. We've had Power folding mirrors since 1998!!!!! Not to mention I can almost get 2 fully loaded Troopers with a far superior AWD system (AWD, 2wd, 4wd lo) than the Escalade for about the price of 1 Escalade...

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    I reread your post, and (reading between the lines) it still comes across as bigger is better. Obviously Paisan picked up on that too.

    I could care less what others "see me drive." I don't need a $50K+ SUV to make me feel good.

  • jgts1jgts1 Posts: 32
    I like Isuzus, big fan of the Vehicross....but take a drive in a $50k SUV- like a 4.4 X5 and you will want to launch that Trooper off a cliff.....I am replacing a 98 4Runner LTD soon, after I drove the V8 X5 when it first dropped- I didn't want to get back into the Toyota.

    Too many fun toys out there.

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  • JG...You should consider the Escalade, at least to the extent of test driving it. For many of the buyers in the $45K+ price range, you will find the Escalade rides very nicely and exudes luxury in every detail. It's not just size that matters, but the comfort and ride characteristics as well. The only true way to measure those ride characteristics is to drive it for yourself.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Saw my first Escalade today in downtown Toronto. It was getting a lot of looks. It had dealer plates on it so there are likely some for sale around the GTA now. My local dealer still has none.
  • jgmilbergjgmilberg Posts: 872
    I have heard in certain circles, mainly car mags, that when GM kills Oldsmobile the Bravada will become a Caddy. I think if they do it GM will be better placed to compete with the MB M-Class, and Isuzu Troopers. The Bravada comes with Smart Trac, a Stabilitrac based system, so at least it already has that going for it. I hope if it does happen that they do more than just change the badges. It should get a new nose at least, more in line with the "new" Caddy shape. The Escalade front end design is directly pulled form the new DeVille, and a shorter version of the Escalade nose would look really nice on the front of the soon to be gone Bravada. With the extended versions from Chevy and GMC it will be possible to have a 3rd row seat and respectable cargo area in it. Anyone else heard of this?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    It's well known that Caddy is working on a mid-size cross-over SUV for some time. If fact, I believe the concept Visiaon(sp?) is supposed to be very close to the actual vehicle.

    As for the Bravada eventually becoming a Caddy, I haven't heard anything to that effect. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I have read rumors to this effect. Would not surprise me at all. Bravada could easily be a Cadillac after a minor face lift. From what I've heard/ seen, the new Bravada is a very nice truck. Sat in one at the auto show and was impressed.
  • dishfishdishfish Posts: 4
    Does anyone know when the EXT is going to be available. I have already seen the Escalade and it is a wonderful vehicle, but I understand that there is going to be one available soon. Does anyone have any information?

  • robh3robh3 Posts: 157
    The EXT is due out "this Fall" according to representatives at the Cadillac display at the Los Angeles Auto Show, as well as car magazines.

    I'd be thinking October or November, and by then they may even label it an '03.
  • alexjr1alexjr1 Posts: 19
    I think everybody should take another look at the Escalade. The previous Escalade was just a way for GM to buy some to some time to really work on the project. I think that the Escalade and Denali are to closely priced and it's most obvious intetention is to take out the Navigator which I think it should suceed. I think that the navigator is a little more versitale with its options for example the second row captain chairs. Then again you could spent nearly $20,000 less and buy a Acura MDX and have a nice peppy engine and 3 rows of seats, and very good handiling with all-wheel-drive. Cadillac is definitly coming out with a midsize SUV because Lincoln is most likely coming out with one based on the Explorer platform.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yep, it's called the Bravada, once Olds is killed, Caddy will get the bravada. Lincoln will get a re-badged Mountaineer.

  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382

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  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Saw three escalades at my dealer today. Have you guys seen the gauges yet? They look like swiss chronometers. Very cool. Not so sure how i feel about the grill though. The body is rounded off but the grill has hard angles. They should have lowered the leading edge of the hood about two inches. The interior is much nicer than its brothers and is truly has the feel of a luxury vehicle.
  • kabbalahkabbalah Posts: 38
    For what it's worth, here is my opinion. I currently drive a leased 98 Toyota Land Cruiser. My lease is up in a couple of months and I have been looking at everything. I loved the Landcruiser, very roomy & comfortable but don't want to drive the same vehicle for another 3 years. LX 470 is basically the a LC, and drove the same. ML 430 still looks like a minivan, although in black with chrome brabus there is some improvement. I drove the denali & the escalade. I much prefered the look of the denali, but it still drove like a lousy gm truck. The escalade had a much better feel and drive to it than the denali. I liked it much better, although thinking about driving a caddy everyday made me feel very much beyond my 44 years. I also cannot stand a shift on the steering column, nor that ugly steering wheel. Finally settled on ordering an X5 4.4 with sport package and almost every other option. About $60k MSRP, but what a car/truck/SAV/SUV. I've had bimmers before, so I was not disappointed. Going in for the test drive, my wife was complaining about how small it was in back compared to the landcruiser. We are only 3 in my family, including one 6 year old so how big a vehicle do I really need. After she drove it, she told me that she could drive this everyday. She really liked it too. The caddy is a nice truck. Since I lease for 36m, the numbers are important to me. The residuals on the caddy suck big time. It costs about the same to lease the caddy as the bimmer, with about an $8,000 price differential. I also question the reliability factor of US cars. The caddy might have a bigger engine, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the X5 would outperform the caddy on any course. I also prefer a navagation system to on-star. I personally don't like that someone can track my car 24hrs a day. Kind of a George Orwell fear. Caddy is nice & a major improvement for American automakers, but it sure as hell ain't no Bimmer nor Landcruiser. I got a call from the caddy guy today telling me about their great new lease program. Ballpark figures to the best of my recollection, with $5000 drive off, 36m at 12K per year for a moonroof equipped caddy worked out to about $900 tax included. Which really means that it is about $1000 per month as about $3k worth of drive off is a cap reduction. It is still a joke of a lease. I guess that GM has no confidence in the resale value of their escalade too. I'm sure that in a couple of months, you'll be able to negotiate up from invoice on these vehicles, which will bring it back down into reality. I don't forsee my Beverly Hill neighbours trading in their X5's, MB's, and LX 470's for caddys any time soon. Perhaps for the Porsche cayenne SUV next year.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Check out the new Motor Trend (May). They compared the 02 Escalade with the Navigator. Escalade won easy and was named "King of the Hill"!
  • jgts1jgts1 Posts: 32
    and accurate too, I ordered a LC with a $58,300 MSRP....rolled in 2 months payments of $558/month on a 98 4Runner (yes, its high-had rolled some negative equity into that lease as well). For 36/months, the Toyota is still $100 less a month than the $50k Escalade....which is very nice and powerful, but the lease at the moment does stink- due to a ho-hum residual and no program/major discounting, I think the LC was a good choice.
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