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Cadillac Escalade

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  • GM is very fond of buyers like you, especially if you buy an Escalade/Denali. I don't have a problem with the Tahoe or Suburban, per se. They do what's expected. I just think it is funny that people would shell out $45+ for a Tahoe with a Cadillac badge. Of course, the Tahoe is simply a 1/2 ton Chevy pickup truck with a back seat and cap but that's a whole different discussion. But hey, everyone is entitled to buy what they want.

    It's no mystery why GM's marketshare has dropped from 50% to 31-32% in the last 20 years.

    In terms of whether the Rover and Cruiser are no match for GM's SUV, well everyone has different priorities. I won't argue about Rover, they have their own problems. The one area where GM has everyone beat is in the size of the Suburban. You can't buy a bigger SUV. If that is your priority, you are right.

    If you think the Blazer is the best SUV in it's class, then you definitely are a diehard GM lover and have never driven any other SUV.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,693
    bostnwhalr

    AMEN!

    Bob
  • arh1956arh1956 Posts: 14
    GM replaced the blazer with the Tahoe a few years ago ! I have a 99 ML 430 & feel it is the supreme SUV on the market ! But I also find the Denali an excellent choice ! I have driven & owned many brands of full-size SUV's "No Hummer" & find the GM's truly good trucks ! Driving one is the only way to know & I've got 240,000 miles on my 84 Suburban !
  • sbc1sbc1 Posts: 1
    Anyone out there have a Escalade or heard anything about it?
  • arh1956arh1956 Posts: 14
    Escalade is Re-badged Denali with a little nicer interior appointments & On-Star standard & free for a year ! It also offers a 4 year , 50K warranty ! Other than that it is a Denali in a couple of other colors !
  • According to most of you I'm gonna starve...there will be no one willing to part with 45K+ for an Escalade...?
    WAKE UP!!
    The first, of many Escalades is expected in our showroom within the next week or so... Our waiting list must be a mirage right? Deposits (at full sticker price only) are numbering 50+... Don't you people get it? As with the Navigator - the Escalade appeals to people with unlimited (or close) greenbacks who say "I want luxury and service unsurpassed by the base models"... People, this isn't rocket science - There is a market niche and Cadillac is fulfilling the niche just as the Navigator has done... Remember Marketing 101? The people who purchase an Escalade CAN AFFORD IT!!
    A 2 or 3 year lease will account for 85% (projected) of the Escalade business we'll do... Over 50% of the leases will be one-payment leases. When the lease is up the newly designed, technologically improved Escalade will be out... Anything wrong with that logic? Maybe you conservative, careful, practical tire-kickers who analyize a car to the nth degree will all wait and see... and thats fine, but there are a lot of well-to-do (even rich) folks out there (giving a crap about what the stock market is doing) that want the wreath and crest TODAY... Look at the way GM/Cadillac has stepped up to the plate with the new STS... It is a player in an extremely competitive pier group. Forgive me, maybe I'm blinded by optimism and loyalty, but I've got a feeling we'll garner some of the market share of the MB and Lexus in due time. OK - go ahead - keep slamming the Escalade... I feel much better...
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,693
    CadillacMan

    Having a lot of money doesn't necessarily equate with being smart. The Escalade will appeal to "traditional old-fashioned" Caddy folks. I doubt that there will be many "conquest" sales.

    Sure, it gives folks like you something to sell. However, after the initial "gotta-be-the-first-on-the-block-to-have-it-sales-rush" is over, it will turn out to be about as successful as the Izusu Hombre, the Suzuki X-90, the Acura SLX, as well a a host of other losers. It's just another Cimarron (or Edsel), only this time on steriods. It certainly doesn't do anything to help Cadillac's image as a premier maker of motor vehicles.

    Also... if Lincoln comes out with a pickup (as is predicted), will Cadillac also come out with one? What a joke!

    Bob
  • Sorry CadallicMan,

    I don't mean to abuse your occupation and I agree that the STS is a fine piece of machinery, but unlike the Escalade, you can't get the STS in a different GM car with the same style and performance. That's my point. With the Escalade, you can and its called the Tahoe Yukon or Denali.

    Don't forget, GM was wishy washy about coming to market with it. They were not even going to do it and in a last ditch effort, decided to throw this Tahoe with On-Star and creamy leather on the market.

    As far as your waiting list goes, that's great! More suckers. And good commissions for you.

    As far as service goes, I'm sure your dealer provides excellent service, yet I'm sure there are other dealers that are not so great. By the way, does your service department have as much experience as a GMC or Chevy dealer servicing trucks? Didn't think so. Hmmmm....

    How's that resale value on Cadillacs. In most parts of the country, you can pick up a two year old caddy for 50% of original retail. Try that with a Mercedes or Honda.

    How's that Catera, the Caddy that spends way too much time in the shop. Really reliable, eh? Seen about 2-3 on the road in the past year. Really storming the market.

    You know why everyone is leasing an Escalade, because they don't want to take the depreciation hit. Guess how many people lease an M-Class, very few. And that vehicle still has a 6 month waiting list, more than a year after going on sale. Why? Because it's less expensive, better engineered and you can't buy a less expensive derivative of it at your Chevy store.
  • j35i1j35i1 Posts: 1
    the cadillac escalade is a very nice suv . i test drove it the other day it was very comfortable and when i went over speed bumps i barly felt them . I tink its way better then a navigator. On a navigator you would feel every bump on the road
    so if i were you i would buy a escalade.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,693
    j35il

    I'm also not a huge fan of the Navigator. However, at least the Navigator "appears" somewhat different than the Expedition. When it arrives with the DOHC 5.4 later this year, there will be much greater distinction between the Ford and Lincoln - which will help.

    As to your comments regarding the ride; remember these are trucks, not cars. I drove a Navigator when it was first introduced. My memory was the it was very comfortable and HUGE, and with a somewhat "floaty" ride. The name "Navigator" is apt. It felt like I was piloting a boat. I really have no desire to drive the Escalade. It's just not my cup of tea.

    As I have posted before, neither of these vehicles significantly advance the "state-of-the-art" for luxury SUVs. They're just more vehicular clutter.

    Let me also say - to set the record straight - I have no problem with Cadillac or Lincoln having an SUV (or pickup) per say. However, if they are going to make these models, and... because these are supposed to be two premium nameplates, make them "truly premium vehicles" in every sense of the word.

    Bob
  • Cadillac Man,

    Sorry about being so harsh and picking on you and Cadillac. In New England, Caddy's aren't as strong in terms of sales. We have to deal with harsh winters, stuff like that. So, older folks got smart and moved to Arizona and Florida. That's why you don't see as many Cadillac's here.

    In terms of resale value, that's why they are probably lower in the North East. In fact, a used Cadillac in NE is a great buy! You could probably do gangbusters by coming here and buying low and sell them high in AZ. .

    By the way, I wasn't totally "anal". I do like the STS, nice piece of machinery.

    I was picking on the Catera because reliability has been a real problem according to long term reports I've seen. The car itself is good, but there have been serious reliability issues.

    As for the Escalade, I'll stop picking on it. This is America where we are free to buy what we want and also voice our opinion at the same time. If your customers like the Escalade then that's what counts, right?

    Peace my friend!
  • 94mx594mx5 Posts: 7
    Which is worse? Cadillac trying to sell a disguised Chevy, or the fact it took GM so long to jump on the bandwagon? Everyone else (Lincoln, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura) does it. Of course, if everyone else jumped off a bridge...? At least it's a GM product, not like Acura selling a rebadged Isuzu.
  • arh1956arh1956 Posts: 14
    Before anyone buys an Escalade see a GMC dealer my dealer says GMC is installing the OnStar free into the Denali's leaving the only discernible difference ; the warranties ! Cadillac 4 Yr./50K. , GMC 3 Yr./36K. & the Caddie is about 4,000 $$$ more ! Check at both dealers before you buy & good luck !
  • arh1956 -

    Other differences on the Escalade include:
    1) Nuance perforated Leather seating (very much different and improved )
    2) Heated seats, front & rear
    3) Real zebrano wood trim / steering wheel
    4) Bose Accoustimas Entertainment Sound system
    5) Onstar SERVICE free for one year
    6) Cadillac Roadside assistance & free loaners
    during entire 4 year/50K warranty period

    Yeah - for 4 grand people need to do some soul searching - depends how deep your pockets are I guess...
  • Also comes down to dealer service in your local market area. The Cadillac customer treatment would more likely be better than at the GMC dealer. Then again, a GMC dealer would likely have more experience servicing trucks.

    I almost forgot, isn't GM coming out with a revised full size SUV based on the new 1999 Chevy "Truck" for a '00 introduction? Based on the positive views given on the pickup truck, it might be worth holding out. At that time, maybe GM will give the Escalade something to further differentiate itself in the marketplace (ie, better drivetrain/engineering refinement choices).

    As much as I am not a big fan of the Navigator for the same reasons as the Escalade, I think Ford is wise in deciding to exclusively install the 300hp 5.4L in it versus the Expedition.

    In my opinion, engineering/design superiority is a good reason to pay a premium for a product. For the Escalade to be successful in the long run, GM should think about what they need to do to separate it from the Denali and its lower cost brethrens.
  • arh1956arh1956 Posts: 14
    While the leather is different , I actually am well satisfied with the Denali's! The heated seats and the sound system on the other hand are exactly identical in both vehicles! The Denali has front seats with the seat and backs heated, and rear seats with the seat heated! The GMC dealer here is also a Cadillac dealer and gives loaners for both brands! To me the Wood Wheel and other assorted wood upgrades are nice, but the Denali is exceptional without them! I like both but the GMC seems a better value! If any spruced-up 15 year old platform is a good value at 43K+!
  • Just wait untill the 2000 model year. GM will have all thier SUVs based on the new truck platform. This will also give GM time to actually plan a new Escalade instead of just saying lets slap this part here or there on a Denali and call it a Cadillac. GM will really be moving foward in the next couple of years. As far as Cadillac goes there will be the redesigned Catera built in the U.S. and made for the U.S. market unlike the current generation Catera. For those of you who like the Lexus RX 300 or other SUVs based on a car platform Cadillac will produce a "LAV" or "Luxury Activity Vehicle" based on the new Catera metioned above. It will be an all wheel drive SUV that should come out in 2001 or 2002. There will also be a new rear wheel drive platoform that GM will use throughout its divisions. I think all Cadillacs will be rear wheel drive in the future except for the Deville which is scheduled for a redesign in 2000. I don't know the reasoning behind the Deville staying at FWD. Maybe CadillacMan can explain this. Anyway like I said GM is really moving foward.
  • Nicely put no_body_74

    The main reason for Deville staying front wheel drive is because of it's goal of a luxury ride and not a "performance-oriented" ride. Measuring the "pros and cons" of front wheel drive vs. rear wheel drive for this segment, at this time, GM will elect to keep the Deville FWD.
    Additionally, less torque steer will be noticed on the new Deville when the new platform will be introduced in 2000, based on stiffer beaming of the new Seville for the 98 model year.
    The 2001 Seville & Eldorado will change in to RWD given their competitive class.
    The Escalade should be impressive in it's next generation - but take nothing away from it now... compared to its rival - the Navigator - stacking up value per dollar of MSRP - the Escalade will get a fair market share. We can't keep one here at our dealership for more than 48 hours... People are impressed with the fit and finish.
  • Glad to meet you Cadillacman. I have a '96 STS and simply love the car. I've put 78,000 on it already with the only problem being two burned out fog lamps; however, I am experiencing some oil loss (approx. 1 qt per 1500 mi) and will switch to Mobil 1 at 80,000. One thing, I'm sick and tired of hearing all the crap about how much better the E Models, 540's and Lexus' handle than the Caddy. I've owned a 420 and an XJ6 and wouldn't dream of giving up my Seville. Sure, rear wheel drive has the advantage in the dry, but I live in Seattle. Believe me, the Seville is much quicker in the rain!
  • CadillacMan...you're truly a salesman. I am considering buying an Escalade myself...and find the difference in price above the Denali worth every penny. I worry about the service however. I would feel far more confident having the GMC guys handling service on my vehicle. By the way, what does the OnStar service cost annually after that first free year?
  • I drove into Dallas a few days ago with my
    '95 tahoe looking pretty dirty going through
    the recent snow storms and I stopped by the
    GMC/Cadillac dealer, what do you know I drove
    out with an Escalade. Don't let anyone ever
    tell you that the Escalade rides like the
    tahoes and yukons. The suspension is completely different. It rides so much like an STS that my mom traded in her '97 for an Escalade as well. The tightness of the construction from the Arlington plant is amazing. I've never driven a GM truck like this. If you're considering the Denali, go for the Escalade, its much better looking despide the limit of four colors. I also looked at the Lincoln Navigator, but aside from the electronically adjustable pedals and 3rd seat, which you have to be very small to get to anyway (no texans I know), there wasn't much that the fake leather and unappealing looks could offer. Not to mention you can actually feel the road in the Escalade, I do wish however the dash was updated. They changed the colors of the blacklighting so its easier to see, and all mirrors are electrochromic so night time isn't so bad with those big mirrors. I had a an expensive aftermarket stereo system in my tahoe, but saw no need to transfer it because the bose system with subwoofer is just fine for me now (maybe I grew up). At least there's enough truck in the escalade that you don't feel back about the occasional off road trip. In the navigator I felt like I'd rip off all that pastic body panels any minute. There's nothing that anyone could say about the Escalade that would make me feel bad about my decision.
  • I also as many of you did, drove the Navigator, Denali, Escalade, LX470, & Mercedes extensively before buying! While I am totally pleased with my choice of the ML430, the only other vehicle truly considered in the same class was the two GM variants! My biggest problem was why GM wouldn't spends a few dollars for rear discs on a 45K+ SUV. I was left totally unimpressed with the Lincoln and concerned about their transmission woes,the Lexus was OK, but over-priced for what it offered,the Mercedes fit my needs best, & the 4.3 V-8 truly transforms the M-Class into a fun vehicle! I looked at the 99 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 4.7 & QuadraTrac but was a little leary of it, & noone that you care about over 5'6" should ever be sentenced to that rear seat, "Sheesh" it's tiny! I have a late model Suburban & it has 240,000 miles with no major problems! I actually prefer the Denali's grill & trim, but would have bought the Escalade for the Cadillac perks! I can hardly wait to see the Escalade that will be based on the "New Platform" when it arrives! It may be trading time for me then! Well good luck to you all, & thanks for your time!
  • Does anyone know when the "New Platform" Escalade will be available, and what it will look like? Is it worth waiting for? Why didn't Cadillac just wait for the new technology?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,693
    >>Why didn't Cadillac just wait
    for the new technology?<<

    I agree. Apparently the loss of sales (marketshare) was just too much for Cadillac (GM) to cope with. Speaking of marketshare, since it was introduced, I've seen fewer than dozen Escalades on the roads. On the other hand, Navigators, Expeditions, MLs, RX300s, Grand Cherokees, and Land Cruisers/RX470s seem to be everywhere.

    Bob
  • Well, after reading all the Escalade negative commments here, what did I do? Bought one this weekend. I have tested the Durango, presently own
    a Jeep Cherokee. I may say something different in the coming weeks, but I can say without reservation, this is the best automobile I have ever driven. My brother bought a Ford Expedition 2 weeks ago, paid 38k and I paid 45k for mine, and I will say, without reservation, the Cadillac quality, etc, eats the fords, durango, etc alive.
    I would suspect all the negative comments here come from two factions, want-a-bes and others who have not driven one and probably wouldnt be allowed to if they went to a dealer.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,693
    For those interested in what AutoCom thinks of the Escalade, check this site:

    http://www.auto.com/topstories/r1.htm

    For what it's worth, I think they nailed it dead on.

    Bob
  • I drove the Denali & Escalade on more than one occasion before buying & have been driving Jeeps & Suburbans for 25+ years. While the Escalade is a fine vehicle it has a few weak spots, now your ego may not allow you to admit this & that's OK. But don't categorize me for being informed in the SUV arena. I think when GM puts the Escalade on the New Platform it will cure most of my concerns. But until then I'm loving my ML 430 & will wait to see how the General responds in the 40K & up bracket. Oh, good luck with the Caddilac!
  • aimanaiman Posts: 61
    What does the Escalade has that the Denali doesn't have other than the Cadillac leather material? From what I know, the Navigator or Denali is a better buy. My biggest critic on Escalade is a very cheap looking dash board and lack of an auto a/c for a mid $40G vehicle.
  • As soon as the Escalade came out, I was wondering why anyone would buy the 1999 model. The entire G.M. SUV line-up is due for a re-design in 2000.
    The new generation of G.M. SUV's will have better technology (better engines, brakes, chassis, etc)
    So why buy this 1999 Escalade?
  • If you run into a dealer who won't let you test drive a Cadillac because of your "ripped up jeans", show the owner your IRS 1040 taxes and then tell him "don't judge a book by it's cover".
    Sometimes I just have my bank's president call the dealership to inform them of their loss.

    There are two types of people: 1)Those who have it and don't need to flaunt it. 2) Those who don't and pretend they do --- it must make them feel "special" or "superior" --- get a life.
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