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Cadillac Escalade

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  • Great points in the post you created.

    Like I was telling someone on here, Mercedes or any luxury car can be a dealer car as well in post #521 I stated.

    I don't understand why people complaining anyhow. If they don't like the vehicle it is stating, don't worry about its image and enjoy it or get rid of it. Simple as that.

    J "CaddyLac"
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    But I have to agree with the above posters who say if you don't like the image don't buy it. Pimps in the 70s had fuzzy dice and caddy's, Tony Soprano drives a GMC Suburban, etc. etc.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    If I was running drugs, I'd have a nice family vehicle like a mini-van looking like my family was driving to or from Disney World! :)

    -mike
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,960
    lol, they'd still pull you over for speeding, Paisan :-) Better keep that "I support the local police" card in your wallet handy.

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  • neicey59neicey59 Posts: 47
    I just wandered over from the M class forum to advise the nice folks buying the caddies of the risk they run of being pulled over and searched for drug paraphanalia on their way to the country club . But at least the Escalade owners spend less time in the service drive than us M Class owners.

    btw...the burb dealers are smart - they are driving the Honda Odyssey with a soccer ball magnet adhered to the side panels.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    they are driving the Honda Odyssey with a soccer ball magnet adhered to the side panels.

    Looks like the profilers will have to amend their handbooks! :-)

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,960
    It took a day or two, but I thought I'd get your attention :-)

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  • bolkerbolker Posts: 30
    <<Ron, not to offend, but I don't think it's possible or even intended for the Escalade to be "refined.">>

    Fair enough, I agree. ;) Getting one in red downplays it a little bit, but saying "refined" is a big stretch.

    <<And if you don't like the "thuggish" look, why buy it? Granted, the LX470 is a bit more, but it is a far better car. The Land Cruiser is also an option in that price range, but you may want a luxury nameplate.>>

    It's not the thuggish look, it's that it's associated with thugs. I think it looks fine myself.

    But what I really want it for is the power and performance. I swear, I could care less about the badging or nameplate. Interior-wise, I do want as comfortable and up-to-date as I can get, and clearly the Escalade isn't the winner there. I also want the interior space it provides. I'm a musician (a drummer) and I need a lot of room to haul equipment every weekend, plus my wife and usually a few friends come along. Additionally, I tow motorcycles frequently, and granted while it's not that much weight, an underpowered engine towing even that weight is troublesome. Believe me, if I felt I had an alternative, I would consider it.

    <<The Escalade is an image car, that's all there is too it. If you want quality buy a Toyota, or Lexus, but they don't convey half the "chic" that the 'Lade does.>>

    I suppose I could get a Denali and give up the extra safety of the special traction control the Escalade has, as well as the 35(?) horsepower. It's just that since I'm going to be driving this truck for at least 5 years, I want the best I can get today.

    Ron
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    It's a GM, not known for their longevity, 5-years might be a stretch ;)

    -mike
  • yamahar6yamahar6 Posts: 23
    What kind of motorcycles do you tow?
  • bolkerbolker Posts: 30
    I tow dirt bikes. A few friends and I have been riding dirt bikes since we were in our teens. We compete in AMA sponsored Enduro races during the season here in Illinois and go just to have fun and practice other weekends. My bike is a KTM 300 Enduro, which I love. KTMs are my favorite with Husquavarna my second favorite Enduro bike. KTMs have great low end torque, a more plush ride without sacrificing performance, and a ton of power. We usually tow 3 or 4 bikes, and then there needs to be enough room for 3 or 4 people plus all the equipment we need to take out there. Even with my '97 Tahoe, it's a full load.

    My Tahoe pulls the load just fine. But my friends Landcruiser had all sorts of problems. It would go into and out of overdrive all the time. We once had to have the transmission oil changed during a trip to Michigan one year, when the tranny started overheating. We were towing 4 bikes and 4 people, but it seemed strange to me that it would have that problem. Plus it was damn cramped in there with our equipment.

    Ron
  • heatwave3heatwave3 Posts: 462
    paisan: I have to agree that the LX470 is substantially better designed for off-roading than an Escalade. But wouldn't you agree that its all window dressing and overkill since neither is likely to have a blade of grass touch their treads?

    Wait a minute....did I say the design of the LX470 is overkill? I'm starting to sound like an anti-suver and I must have enterred this forum instead of the "I hate suvs..." by mistake:)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    For this country where we are full of people who want image yep the LX470 is probably overkill. All the Poussers driving SUVs out there should be in Vans/Minivans with AWD, not REAL SUVs. The LX470 though is based on the Toyota Land Cruiser which is a world-class vehicle used in most countries as it was intended instead of as a SMV or country-club vehicle. I'm just sick of all the Pousers out there with SUVs....

    -mike
  • plunderplunder Posts: 6
    I am considering the purchase of a new Escalade and was wondering what cost experiences any of you have had...How far below or above invoice you had to pay?
  • li_sailorli_sailor Posts: 1,081
    All the Poussers driving SUVs out there should be in Vans/Minivans with AWD, not REAL SUVs.
    I'm just sick of all the Pousers out there with SUVs....


    Yeah, I'm with ya on that one...uh, who's that? PAISAN???? Holy schmoley!

    I thought you wuz one of us for a second there ;-)

    What's all this about a pickup with an enclosed rear going for $50,000? :-O
  • stacystacy Posts: 91
    Tell the manufacturers to make a SAFE, RELIABLE, AWD VAN with a LARGE TRUNK and lots of LUXURY to seat at least 6! So sick of hearing all you guys whining about "poussers"!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    See the new GM full-sized vans.


    Also check out the Custom vans, tell me that 6 capatians chairs, TV etc are not mor comfy than the escalade? :)


    Anyway I won't rant anymore in here, just find it funny that I doubt any Escalades will be doing this http://isuzu-suvs.com/events/pb-5-05-02/index.html or http://isuzu-suvs.com/events/unf-04-26-02/index.html :)


    -mike

  • Well, I don't agree with anyone that despises SUVs have the audacity to tell anyone they should only buy a Minivan/van. SUVs, vans, sports cars, exotics, wagons, luxury cars suit different people with different tastes. So what is the problems of badging SUVs? SUVs are not my cup of tea but I do like them and maybe one day own one. Minivans are ugly and has no personality.

    Anyhow, I will stop ranting but in the June issue of Motor Trend, there was a great comparison test of the 2003 Navigator vs. Escalades and ML 500 Benz and the Escalade won the comparison test. Although the Navigator was a major improvement over the previous model and has some more safety and power doo-dads than the Cadillac, it came up short in refinement, ride quality, looks, and performance. They said that the Escalade has set the standard of how the luxury SUV should be.

    I came away shocked and had a predetermined mindset thinking the Escalade was going to be a dog, come finding out it bested the Navigator and ML 500.

    J "Caddylac"
  • yamahar6yamahar6 Posts: 23
    I personally think that GM actually did something right with the Escalade. When you think of great American cars or years past, what do you think of? Is it the smaller cars, with the six cylinder engines? Or is it the outrageous size of a '50 Caddy Eldorado? Or the power of a Shelby Cobra, Charger, or Boss Mustang?

    America has always done well with excess, and the Escalade and Navigator are prime examples of that. Heck, the new '03 Nav. even proves that Americans can build world class interiors (provided it doesn't fall apart in six months :)

    Can anyone honestly say that all the Porsches, Ferraris, and even any car with >200HP is being used to it's fullest capacity?

    Its the same with SUVs. My friend's father has a yellow 360 Modena, Automatic. He got the "F1" tranny b/c he couldn't drive a stick (poser); anyway, the car is purely a luxury item for him, not at all a performance item at all.

    There are many other examples of people who buy a Porsche, even a manual Porsche, and go fast on the street, but never come close to a track, which is the only place one can fully exploit the car's abilities.

    I bet the same proportion of SUV owners take their cars offroad as sportscar, and motorbike owners take their cars to the track. So, the msg. is: quit yer whinin'. :)

    -Yammie
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Aren't just in SUVs. I'd tell the guy with the Modena to get a freekin Luxo car too!

    People are always trying to be what they aren't! It's sad very sad.

    -mike
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