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Yes, and I think this is why Honda first began marketing the Pilot in this way.
"...why does the Pilot have to use it? Of course...because albook says so"
Finally, someone gets it :P
I guess it really doesn't matter how Honda markets it. It wouldn't change who buys it.
8"/8.3"(G.C.) of ground clearance and short front/rear overhangs preclude it going off road in your (al)book
"The Jeep can tow too'
if you line up 6 cyl models to compare apples to apples then the pilot wins 4500lbs vs. 3500lbs for the G.C.
this is my favorite though;
"And these things don't necessarily make an SUV, but all BOF SUVs (and a select few unibodies like the Cherokee and Toureg) have them"
so you want to have it both ways... you want to dismiss the pilot as not being a SUV because it doesn't meet these requirements you need it to have to be called a SUV. you then in the very same statement go on to dismiss the very criteria you use to measure the pilot's lack of SUV-ness as any definable measure of SUV's in general other than to say they all have them.
at this point you can make an argument the lambda's are SUV's, the CX's, any of them for that matter as they can all tow to an extent and can go off road in some manner.
"Yet again, I logically defend my point. "
corrected... yet again, I made NO point...
Not designed to be an SUV-wannabe, the Pilot was engineered with medium-duty off- road capabilities including eight inches of ground clearance, an 28-degree approach angle, 21-degree departure and break over angles and the ability to climb a 28-degree dirt slope from a standing stop.
Click here for the article and graph.
What he said.:-)
just kidding... lol
Shouldn't that lock the Pilot into what is essentially "4WD HIGH" ?
Translation: No, the Pilot driver cannot manually lock the AWD system.
The question for me vis-a-vis CUV or SUV is where the vehicle originated. A CUV is based on a passenger design. Thus the CR-V was based on the Civic (ruggedized). I think that the Pilot was based on the Odyssey platform.
In my opinion an SUV has to be custom designed for heavy "utility" use, not based on a passenger vehicle. Note that starting from a truck design still makes it an SUV; trucks are designed for utility use. Cars and vans are not.
By this standard the GM "Acadians" are CUV, since they were designed to passenger standards.
The button is just to the left of the CD Player, under the flashers.
The post to which I was replying did not mention a switch. It's good to know this is available.
How about Limited Slip? Is that available?
(I was going to say "How about LSD?", but I thought people might get a bit confused!) :P
BTW, you mentioned that that button is like what you'd find in an Explorer, Jeep, etc. Our Explorer has 3 buttons for the 4WD. Auto, 4-Hi, and 4-Lo. There's actually a pretty big difference.
That was actually kind of weird. The posts were hiddne behind the ads when I first came in but once I posted and a new page was created they were then stretched out and I could see them again.
I too have a BIG monitor so that wasn't the problem. :P
FYI: if you have a Pilot, when engaging VTM4 for these purposes, it is also recommended to disengage ESC (accomplished by a different button on the dash) for as long as VTM4 is needed.
Here's a 2008 more upscale model.
Seeing as all the competitors meet or Exceed Honda in most of those areas now why not have some style too?
Indeed, pretty much what we said. The minivan pie is shrinking, but far fewer entries are competing for it.
With Crossovers, the segment seemingly has a new entry each week or so.
So, would you rather eat a personal pan pizza all by yourself, or get a large and share it with 8 friends?
karsick, "Good Styling" #25, 26 Apr 2008 6:09 pm
Great...if that's REALLY the case, then why not some specifics to back up your one-liner...better than listening to people's opinions on what color looks better.
- Chad
Lol, was just thinking the same thing. I think the novelty has worn out, the Acadia, CX-9, Highlander, etc have been out quite a while now, gotta find something new to compare to and to complain about!
And talking about new, I think the smaller SUVs might get more buzz, like the redesigned Murano and Forester, for the sole reason that they get better mpg (well I assume they do)
Check out the article here: The Frugal Five.
It seemed like y'all were looking for new conversation; I thought I'd share.
I'm bummed that they tested FWD models for everyone except the Forester. That skews the mpg, 0-60, curb weight, etc.
Still, it had the most grip and the best ride, a tough balance to achieve.
Here's another comparo the Forester also won:
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=51689
Let me fix this for you Juice...
Forester was on our short list so that was very encouraging for us, now it is the only one on our list.
-mike
Problem is, I can't find one! The closest LL Bean without Navi in blue is all the way up in New Jersey!
We may factory order.
Plus, I want the PZEV model, it's cleaner and it actually makes 5 more HP, to 175hp.
You should come up to NJ, we could go visit a mutual friend of ours
-mike
You dog! You're pretty well connected, eh?
Want me to delete?
-mike
It's hard to keep it a secret anyway. I was dying to say something, to be honest. I just thought it would be funny to pull up to Bob's driveway in the new one.
PZEV models also carry a longer emissions warranty in 8 or 10 states that require them, so hopefully that equipment is more durable as well.
But fuel economy it's not really great. The 20 MPG in city is most driving people do, so in real world it will be 18-19 MPG. Where at same time my Acadia get me in city and in traffic 85% about 17-18 mpg. So where is benefit to buy small SUV?
I'm not sure how you can say that people "real-world" will get lower that EPA in these small CUVs but you in the real-world get better than EPA.
If you get over EPA estimates in your Acadia, you likely would in a small CUV as well.
What world are you living in? Haha.
You know better than that now grad! Everyone now knows, thanks to one or two owners on this thread, that the Lamdas can drive on (not in) water therefore they can get better fuel mileage due to the decrease in rolling friction the water provides.
Haven't you read the Bible? :P
How about purchase price? You'll save thousands buying the smaller SUVs and that will buy a lot of gas
And if you only need the cargo capacity you can buy or rent a small covered trailer for a lot less than the price difference between the large and small SUV/CUV. Some of the small CUVs tow just as much as some of the large ones.
College fund, anyone?
The better alternative to small/big SUV are VW passat wagon, volvo wagon, BMW 5 series (expensive!), Saab wagon, benz wagon (expensive!), audi A6 wagon, Mazda 5 and ect.
The most of those cars have better MPG then any (not hybrid) small SUV, and more or equal cargo space behind second row.
You've got a cooler that would take over 30 cu. ft. of space? :P
This car isn't enough for 4 people and a weekend's worth of luggage? That's sort of funny, because we've been traveling to the gulf coast as long as I've been alive, with my grandmother in the car as well. We used to go in our 4-door compact sedan, which offered about 1/3rd the cargo space of the CR-V. We didn't carry a cooler, but 4 person's luggage plus a cooler wouldn't be a problem in any small CUV.
The better alternative to small/big SUV are VW passat wagon, volvo wagon, BMW 5 series (expensive!), Saab wagon, benz wagon (expensive!), audi A6 wagon, Mazda 5 and ect.
Then why do you drive a big CUV if the better alternative is a wagon? It doesn't matter, as it isn't really on topic anyway.
HOST, while this topic is up, can we rotate some of the smaller alternatives onto the "Learn More" section? Vehicles such as the RAV4, Forrester, Rogue, and Vue... among others?