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Crossover SUV Comparison

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  • yvr1yvr1 Posts: 4
    I haven't gone back to Hyundai dealership to test-drive the Santa Fe with the 3.3L engine yet, but had one more vehicle to test-drive before narrowing down the list. Went to test drive an Equinox, and the dealer didn't even have any except in the showroom, but we did drive a 2010 GM Terrain, which he said was basically the same platform and interior as the Equinox; only difference was the exterior styling. I guess they're selling really well. In any event, after I drove it, I can't understand why. The steering and the brakes I found unresponsive. Brakes felt like mush and had to really press down to get the car to a full stop. Acceleration wasn't great. The two-tone colour scheme for the interior (brown/black) didn't appeal to me (don't these colours clash?). Even the much -vaunted sound deadening wasn't apparent to me. The only things I thought the Equinox had over the Forester was slightly smoother ride when going over bumps (at the expense of poorer handling) and a much better stereo system. I think the MRSP is a couple of thousand more than the Forester. Maybe the 2010 Equinox was such a vast improvement over the 2009 version, accounting for its newfound popularity?

    I am quickly coming to the conclusion that the Forester is the best of the bunch when it comes to compact SUV's in the price range I am looking at (around 30K Cdn). Can anyone persuade me otherwise?
  • >> I am quickly coming to the conclusion that the Forester is the best of the bunch when it comes to compact SUV's in the price range I am looking at (around 30K Cdn). Can anyone persuade me otherwise?

    That’s easy. The 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander GT is a much better crossover then Forester (and better then anything else in this class):

    • 6-speed auto with paddle shifters and idle neural logic vs. dated 4-speed transmission.
    • 40 GB mp3 music server vs. nothing.
    • Premium 710-watt Rockford Fosgate stereo with 8 speakers + 10" subwoofer vs. generic 6-speaker stereo.
    • Sirius satellite radio vs. nothing
    • Outlander GT demonstrates spectacular handling: 66.2 mph slalom beating every CUV except for $95K BMW X6M with $500 sport tires.
    • Larger 18" tires vs. 17”
    • FAST key entry/keyless start (your key is always in your pocket)
    • Voice control and Bluetooth music streaming Link System
    • Diamond Lane Guidance real-time traffic navigation vs. basic navigation.
    • Rear View backup camera. Parking sensors available.
    • Superior AWD system with both front-to-back and side-to-side torque control, with Auto, Lock and FWD modes, form the manufacturer of 12-time Dakar champion.
    • More cargo space, flap-fold tailgate and 3-rd row seating for kids.
    • Rain Sensing Wipers vs. regular
    • Xenon Headlights vs. regular
    • More horse power and higher towing capacity
    • 5/10 warranty + free roadside vs. basic warranty
    • Top CR reliability rating.

    What Forester could offer instead? Larger sunroof, and that’s about it. It's well build but basic car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Unlike you I really like the two-tone interiors GM has done lately, but I agree about the numb steering (the Vue was the same way).

    Even with that steering Equinox probably earns the Most Improved award.
  • We live on a hill and I have looked at the towing capacity but wanted to see what others have to say.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's not a very heavy trailer, most small SUVs can manage that much (exception: Honda CR-V? others?).

    Do keep in mind that trailer brakes are required by all major manufacturers for a trailer of that weight. You don't want to end up with the tail wagging the dog.

    What's on your short list of choices? I bet most of them have a model that can easily handle that load. Pick something with good torque so you're not struggling up those hills.

    Maybe big brakes as well.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Can we not create a specific thread for Outlander vs. Forester? If there isn't one, I'll even create it for you.

    The current state of this one just makes me tired, and it was one of my favorites in-spite of me having only sedans in the driveway.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,132
    Not only do we have one, we have two!

    I think some of the last posts can be moved over there and the other one merged or archived.

    Here's the link:

    Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester

    Please continue ... wherever. :)

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  • What CUV do you wish to discuss instead? In any case I am flying to Germany tomorrow so then I will not be saying much.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Promise? :P

    The OP asked about the Forester and the Santa Fe, I don't know how we got on the Outlander. My response was on topic.

    I'm fine with moving the posts there - that's where this belonged once the Outlander was brought in. In fact I suggest from now on, in any thread, when chelentano wants to recommend the SUV he did not buy that he link to there instead.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,132
    Ah, the Forester and the Outlander have been in the category list for a while here, so y'all aren't off topic. But there are other CUVs to yak about too.

    Like the Accord Crosstour.

    /hint :shades:

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's hard to ignore that styling. It looks like a pregnant Accord. Plus, the AWD model starts at $34,730 (EX-L), which is steep.

    An H6 Outback Ltd runs about $3k less, at $31.7k. It's a tad smaller, but probably the best value of the 3.

    As usual, Toyota gives you 1,000 a-la-carte optinos. Venza V6 AWD, add Comfort Package for heated leather seats and EJ sound for 6CD/Bluetooth, then SR for the sunroof, and you get $34,240. IMHO it's the best looking of the bunch. Haven't driven it yet but I've heard the huge wheels give it a brittle ride, odd for a Toyota.
  • Funny you should mention the Venza. There is a review and story over on msnbc.com that is somewhat less than flattering about the Venza and Toyota in general.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33605151/ns/business-autos/

    In short, here is what they have to say about the Venza:

    Pros: Comfortable ride, superlative fuel economy for its size, the brand name that makes grizzled baby boomers behave like irrational adolescents

    Cons: Insultingly cheap interior, lousy steering, useless automatic headlights

    Verdict: Toyota is off its game and needs to refocus on giving customers more than they expect rather than thinking they won’t notice that they are being shortchanged.


    :(
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's very significant - it means Toyota cut their advertising budget on MSNBC. :D

    Just kidding. ;)

    I was under the impression that the ride was not good. Maybe they tested a model with smaller rims?

    Also, the interior looks fine to me. It has a padded dash and far better materials than what you'd find in, for instance, the RAV4. Maybe they have much higher expectations in that price range?

    I'm not surprised about the steering - my Sienna is number than my Wii-mote. The weight is right, but there is zero feedback.

    Also, I do think that the mere volume of production Toyota has can make quality control suffer.

    I thought that review was pretty harsh. And how old is that article? He compares it to Pacifica and Taurus X. Venza doesn't even offer a 3rd row.

    CR gave it a pretty good score overall, but the Outback scored higher (even though they tested the 4 cylinder OB).
  • >> The OP asked about the Forester and the Santa Fe, I don't know how we got on the Outlander. My response was on topic.

    My response was on topic too. Post 7060: user yvr1 posted:
    "...Forester is the best of the bunch when it comes to compact SUV's... Can anyone persuade me otherwise?"

    So I responded:
    "That’s easy. The 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander GT is a much better crossover then Forester... " then I listed my points why.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Let's move on...I already have.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,261
    Anyone heard reviews on these updated models. Will definitely visit the showrooms when they debut.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr111809.html

    Midsize SUVs
    Dodge Journey
    Subaru Tribeca
    Volvo XC60
    Volvo XC90

    Small SUVs
    Honda Element
    Jeep Patriot with optional side torso airbags
    Subaru Forester
    Volkswagen Tiguan


    The list shrunk substantially because this year they added the roof strength test as a requirement to make it.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Interesting that the Element (an old design by this segment's standards) gets a top-pick while the CR-V does not.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I noticed that, too. 2 comments:

    * Element has upright pillars, which may have helped.

    * Honda said early on that they would seriously reinforce the A- and C-pillars since there is no B-pillar.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Top IIHS safety picks:

    SMALL SUVs

    Honda Element
    Jeep Patriot - with optional side torso airbags
    Subaru Forester
    Volkswagen Tiguan

    It's in alphabetical order. This does not mean the Element won, in fact the Forester's 4.64 strength-to-weight ratio actually beat the Element in the new-for-2010 roof strength test.

    Not that it matters, both Element and Forester are Top Safety Picks, and extremely safe choices.

    Forester has other best-in-class claims but you'll ignore them anyway so I won't bother listing them.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,371
    Can't we start a Mitsubishi vs. Subaru thread somewhere? We've all seen too many other threads get saddled down with this very argument.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,132
    We'll move some more posts over to the Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester discussion.

    And people in there have been put on notice that all the niggling details are of little interest to most readers. Cabin fever perhaps?

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,261
    Those niggling detail posts served as an outlet for my OCD. Now what am I going to do. Thanks a lot Steve. :cry:
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,132
    You'd probably enjoy 4WD & AWD systems explained then. :shades:

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,261
    Thanks for the tip -- checked it out and after 5 minutes, I don't need my meds anymore. Prais-ed be !!! :)
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,132
    lol, can you mail them to me? :D

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,261
    Planning on putting them up for auction on ebay tommorrow --- free shipping in original container.. Paypal only. No reserve so keep an eye out. Need to do something to supplement my pension. :P
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,132
    Bummer - PayPal is one of the reasons I'm on meds!

    Ok, how 'bout some crossover news?

    Deal of the Week: 2010 Infiniti QX56

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    Or maybe you'd like to dream about one we don't get in the US:

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    Inside Line (In the rest of the pics it looks more like the compact car it really is).

    This is more like it - but it's another one we don't get in the States:

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    2011 Mitsubishi RVR

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,261
    The big infinity's and nissan armada just don't look balanced to me. I really like the pathfinder awd with leather etc. Plenty of room and it just looks right.
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