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Crossover SUV Comparison

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  • ""The big infinity's and nissan armada just don't look balanced to me.""

    :confuse: Maybe because you were looking at an "infinity" rather than an Infiniti"!???! To some people, though, they look the same!! :confuse:

    ;)
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,261
    Gotta do some work on my shift key finger. Doesn't want to behave sometime.
  • I'm looking at both for my 16 year old. Any advice from some CX-9 owners out there?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Why would your 16 year old need a large-family sized vehicle? If you're really wanting a crossover vehicle, I certainly wouldn't start them on something brand new, and that large/expensive. I'd look at some things like a pre-owned (2007-2008 or so) CR-V, RAV-4, Ford Escape, Hyundai Santa Fe or Tuscon, for around $15k. Still plenty of room and all the modern safety equipment, but without the bigger gas bills or high-school parking-lot nightmares of a brand new $35k family-hauler.

    I'm a 22 year old man; trust me, incidents are going to happen at a young age, no-matter how careful the driver. I've never been ticketed or at-fault in an accident, but growing up driving my 6 year old Accord (now 14!) was the best thing that could've happened.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    A CX7 may fit better in the small high school parking lot spots. ;)

    And they have a new non-turbo model, which is more affordable.

    I agree that a compact crossover ought to be plenty for a teenager. To pick among the safest ones, here's the IIHS 2010 Top Safety Picks:

    http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

    You could even just get a small wagon. Soul, Cube, Impreza, and Golf still make the Top Safety Picks list and are generally suitable for a young teenager's driving needs.

    Best of luck shopping, whatever you end up with. :)
  • I can't agree with buying a really small crossover as some have suggested. The smaller the car, the worse the outcome will be in a wreck. Also, small vehicles actually cost more to insure. I would suggest a larger, used car that your teen won't be tempted to hot rod in. Besides, crossovers can be "tippy", and cars are more stable and easier to handle in an emergency situation or on curves.

    Personally, I think the perfect vehicle for a teen would be a big, ol' Buick station wagon. ;-)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    A Santa Fe by Hyundai outweighs any LeSabre; even compares well with an Explorer or minivan, weight-wise. The best outcome is to have a vehicle in which the crash can be avoided in the first place. An eight-passenger gas-sucker with poor visibility and more cumbersome handling isn't the way to do it, in my opinion.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I do think checking insurance rates is a great idea.

    Also, these crossovers aren't exactly small. Small would be a Mazda3 hatchback.
  • OK, you guys, my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek. My point was that many a teenager has been handed a sporty vehicle at the age of 16 and ended up wrappping it around a tree. I know I'm an old fogey, but I think kids should not get a brand new car and they should help pay for any car they get, especially the gas and insurance expenses. I am amazed at how kids are handed everything they want and not expected to work. It is not a recipe for developing responsible adults.

    Off my soapbox now. :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well, a CR-V, RAV, & Santa Fe are not racy vehicles. Quick enough to be safe (9-10 seconds to 60 mph) but not fast at all, really. Just avoid the V6 RAV4 (its a rocket).

    When I was 16, my grandmother gave me her 6 year old Accord, with 120k miles on it. My folks said they'd pay insurance and gas as long as I kept my straight-A's. I did, so they did. Pretty good setup to me; kept me focused in school to the point I got a full ride to college. Because they didn't have to pay for college, they bought me a car (my '06 Accord). They just used "incentives" to help me help myself. They did tell me, however, the first accident I caused or the first ticket I received would revoke it all, and I'd be left holding the bag and bill for everything.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I understood.

    Maybe try an older TDI wagon. They're slow as heck and will keep you out of trouble. ;)

    The old 80s wagons (I learned to drive in one) are RWD and may be tricky for a newbie. Ours also got about 8 mpg. Plus they're so big and don't track straight, so it's impossible to stay in a lane. IMHO not a good beginner's car.

    Pick from the IIHS Top Safety Picks, and you'll get stability/traction control, plus a rigid structure, and all the airbags you can shake a stick at.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,140
    No CX-9 owners want to chip in and comment on how sweet a ride that would be for a teen?

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  • With the large incentives GM is apparently providing to sell remaining Pontiacs and Saturns, I'm surprised there isn't more chatter on Carspace. $7k is quite a bit- would it be enough for anyone to consider a Pontiac Torrent or Saturn Vue over similar vehicles from other manufacturers? Lots of negatives like reliability, mpg, replacement parts, resale, etc. but it seems likely there are going to be some fantastic prices on Pontiac and Saturn that people may want to consider. Thoughts?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Don't they have to be used as a program car by the dealer first? I don't think they can be sold as new. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    I test drove a Vue a while back. If they added some steering feel I'd consider one. Even then, the Equinox looks so much nicer, plus it's more fuel efficient.

    $7 grand buys a lot of gas, I suppose.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,140
    I looked at the Inventory tool last night. The closest Pontiac Vibe is 350 miles from me. Tis a bit tempting, even if it is "used", but they were all automatics.

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  • Yes, they would have to be sold as used but I get the impression some dealers might turn around and sell them immediately w/ almost no miles on them.
  • Good call on the inventory tool. Only one Vue and one Outlook within 100 miles of me. Maybe that's why the incentives don't seem to be generating much excitement- could be that there is very little inventory.
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    ""With the large incentives GM is apparently providing to sell remaining Pontiacs and Saturns""
    ""$7k is quite a bit""

    Since last month, after ten minutes of negotiation, I received a $6,100 discount on a new 2010 Infiniti EX35 sport wagon, that was not on the lot, I would consider the $900 less discount as 'money well spent'!!!!
    :surprise: :shades:
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That is a huge discount, but I think that's because they're very small inside. It's almost more like a sporty 2+2 than a utility.

    I bet it drives real nice, though.

    Heck, I'd reconsider a Saturn Outlook with that sort of discount, but I'm not in the market right now.
  • I am trying to decide between these two vehicles. Both would be AWD, top of the line versions. Sante fe is offering 0%....Honda 6%, Sante Fe Now an excellent vehicle, Honda ...not what they used to be. Sante fe higher depreciation, Crosstour not accepted by public may depreciate as much as Sante fe. Better warranty from Sante fe, 6 speed auto,all modern electronic hook ups etc.
    I have owned 3 Hondas inc. a S2000. Why am I being pulled towards a Sante fe.....what am I missing?
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    edited March 2010
    They are definitely different types of vehicles.

    The depreciation is indeed something to consider. Especially if you trade/buy often. However financing differences, payment differences just might offset the/any depreciation differences.

    I personally like the looks of the Santa Fe. It looks to be a lot more expensive than it is. The Crosstour is somewhat "different" looking, but beginning to grow on me.
    FWIW: I didn't care for the "LOOKS" of the Honda Ridgeline when it first emerged. But now I own one!

    Could be mistaken , but I'm thinking the Santa Fe 10 year 100K mile warranty is on the drive train only and the bumper to bumper might be the same as most other vehicles at 3 year and 36K miles. Honda is 5 year and 60K miles in the drive train. and 3/36K bumper to bumper. Please correct me, if I'm wrong on that.

    That 10/10 warranty is a good thing for sure and important IF we keep a car that long.

    With our '03 Pilot and '03 CR-V, the little things like sensors, various electronics and modules, window motors, AC controls and compressors, shocks, switches, and such were problems. Especially after the 36/36 ran out. While the mechanical parts of the drive train itself, were flawless. So, for us, the bumper to bumper Extended Warranty payed for itself on both vehicles.

    Before purchasing, you might want to spend some time driving both and really paying attention to the feel of the seats, ease of entry and exit, road noise at highway speeds, ride and handling, various controls, space we may or may not really need, sitting position in both height and in relationship to the steering wheel and pedals.

    While the outside "Looks" of our vehicle is important to us, we have to "LIVE" with the inside. Depreciation can be a concern if we trade often. But we might not trade as often if we test and consider a vehicle like we are going to be stuck with it for 10 years. ;)

    Good luck.
    Kip
  • tenpin288tenpin288 Posts: 804
    The Hyundai warranty is 10yr/100k on the drivetrain and 5yr/60k bumper to bumper. ;)
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >The Hyundai warranty is 10yr/100k on the drivetrain and 5yr/60k bumper to bumper." ;)

    WOW! Definitely better than the Honda Bumper to Bumper.

    Thanks,
    Kip
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm a bit surprised by your choices, but I've made far more bizarre comparisons (BMW 3 series sedan vs. buying a beach condo).

    Crosstour is more of a competitor to the Toyota Venza and Subaru Outback, so you may want to consider those as well. If you overlook the styling, what bothers me about the Crosstour is that is only has 31" of width between the wheel wells in the cargo area, very narrow. The Outback is a whole foot wider there. Honda compromised utility for style, and I'm not a fan of the style.

    Santa Fe got some nice powertrain upgrades, but the design itself is a bit dated. You may want to check out the new Kia Sorento instead, it's cousin.

    Good luck and have fun shopping.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,371
    but I've made far more bizarre comparisons (BMW 3 series sedan vs. buying a beach condo).

    Hmm. Tough call.

    Was the beach condo FWD? :)
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,233
    You mean did it have Floors, Windows, and Doors? :P

    I'd want ABS - A Beach Scene.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It had much more interior space, but top speed is the earth's rotation. :D
  • ergsumergsum Posts: 144
    edited March 2010
    Plus the earth's orbit around the sun, plus the sun's orbit in the galaxy, plus the galaxy's movement in the universe:

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-fast-is-the-earth-mov&topic- - ID=2

    We appear to be hauling some serious butt!
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    plus the galaxy's movement in the universe

    On the other hand, if you're the center of the Universe, then you're not moving at all! :P

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  • ergsumergsum Posts: 144
    Why thank you for recognizing that fact ;)
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