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Crossover SUV Comparison

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  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    edited April 2010
    I like '10 Outback, but unfortunately they fall beyond my price range this time. Otherwise I'd definitely take a closer look at the redesign to see if I could fit 2 car seats & a booster in the 2nd row. I know it'd be close. It'd also be nice to get the new Outback's 29MPG on the highway rather than 22-24.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    You're right on. 4/10ths difference on Pilot or Taurus X I can live with, but when I've taken Outback to its clearance limits already, I don't want to drop 1.5" to Sienna's clearance. I'm interested in off-pavement, but not off-road. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Get a Chase Subaru credit card to offset some of that cost.

    I got $1600 off our Forester and we already have $500 saved up to pay for service. :shades:
  • lanbabalanbaba Posts: 45
    My wf crashed my 05 AWD Limited Freestyle a few weeks back and it is still in the shop(insurance won't total it, the repair bill is around 7K, but it is other party's fault :cry: :mad: ). The car has about 65K miles on it, and I don't want to drive it any more since it is a major accident and I don't think it is as safe as before the accident although the bodyshop will do a good job. Now I'm on the market again. I will get another new Freestyle/Taurus X if they are still available, but I can't even find a low mileage used one around me. So, I'm on the market again.
    Tested Enclave, the second row seats are too close to the floor, not like the FS, so it is not really comfy for a long trip (I'm only 5'7"). And the third row, it has a big space than the FS, but the hip space actually smalled than FS.
    I really don't want to drive a minivan, so what are my choices? I wan't something at least same size as the FS, but not smaller. :confuse:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Flex was essentially the replacement for the Freestyle/Taurus X. Have you given those a look?

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  • donl1donl1 Posts: 109
    I could never get past the look of the exterior sheet metal on the Flex to ever consider one. Just my opinion.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    edited May 2010
    I could never get past the look of the exterior sheet metal on the Flex to ever consider one. Just my opinion.

    And you're entitled to it :) . Personally, I think they're great looking vehicles, much more-so than the bland Traverse. The Freestyle was nice-looking, but quite bland as well.

    The thing about a car with major style, you'll likely love-it or hate-it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Try the Flex, as mentioned above.

    Did that Enclave have captain's chairs, or a 2nd row bench? I think they offer both, so if you didn't like one you may like the other better.

    There are a lot of entries in this class, I'd suggest checking them all out at a local auto show, if one will be in your town any time soon. You can test-fit them without any sales pressure.

    Another option is CarMax - if even just to test-fit several different models, and see how they age.
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,234
    I'm not usually one for large SUVs but in a lot of ways the Flex looks like a Mini Cooper that's all grown up. :) The proportions are good with no unseemly bulges or other oddities and the lines in the body panels keep it from looking like big slabs of metal tossed together. Good aesthetics. And 17/24 MPG for FWD or 16/22 for AWD is not bad at all for something that size.
  • davichodavicho Posts: 190
    ..."Flex looks like a Mini Cooper that's all grown up."

    Your freaking kidding right? If you are not, man you need to get your eyesight checked. :P
  • islander55islander55 Posts: 4
    it's like a big shoe box with a smaller shoebox attached and a FORD logo at front
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    Looks to me more like the "Square" 2004-2006 Scion-xb that Toyota build for a couple of years. OR a Ford full size van that got squeezed and flattened.

    My BIL recently purchased a Flex. Seems to me that it doesn't have as much room inside as the outside suggests it does. Probably a nice car though.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think he was referring to the white roof on the models that are two-tone.

    With that color scheme it does look like a Maxi Cooper. :D
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    With that color scheme it does look like a Maxi Cooper.

    I don't like how you worded that. Makes it sound like a car one might drive on "heavy days."

    Sorry...I had to. :blush:

    I agree with the overall sentiment though!
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >"I think he was referring to the white roof on the models that are two-tone.
    With that color scheme it does look like a Maxi Cooper."


    Haven't seen one like that. The BIL's is solid red or Burgundy with black interior as he is a Georgia Bulldog fan. He was trying to replaced the blue oval with a Bull Dog logo. Don't know how that worked out. Then there are window stickers and I'm thinking a flag or two. The tire air valves, his billfold, jeans, hat, jacket and shirt all have Bull Dog logos. Almost like a religion or cult.

    That may have had some bearing on my thoughts. ;)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    A little tacky, yes. :D
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,769
    ...as he is a Georgia Bulldog fan. He was trying to replaced the blue oval with a Bull Dog logo. Don't know how that worked out. Then there are window stickers and I'm thinking a flag or two. The tire air valves, his billfold, jeans, hat, jacket and shirt all have Bull Dog logos. Almost like a religion or cult.

    IMHO, there is a point where one must defer to dignity and stop wearing "team" apparel" unless it's at a game - that age is about 23.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    He just retired from the Federal Government. I'm thinking he is old enough for early Social Security. And yes, he wears that garb when not at a game!

    But is his defense, he did play second string football in high school! ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I can imagine his radio playing "Glory Days" by Bruce Springsteen. ;)
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "I'm not usually one for large SUVs but in a lot of ways the Flex looks like a Mini Cooper that's all grown up. The proportions are good with no unseemly bulges or other oddities and the lines in the body panels keep it from looking like big slabs of metal tossed together. Good aesthetics. And 17/24 MPG for FWD or 16/22 for AWD is not bad at all for something that size. "

    Not a mini cooper, a Scion xB that is all grown up...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's that white roof, that's what reminds me of a Cooper.
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    I don't know how others don't see it. I thought it looked like a Mini's big brother when I saw it, but more original Mini with it's lines.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    For people that never noticed any resemblance (check the out greenhouse especially):

    imageSee more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    possibly w/o a helmet???...... :)
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    Can you post a 2004-2006 Scion Xb Picture to compare to the Flex?

    Thanks,
    Kip
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sure...

    imageSee more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com

    Definitely a strong resemblance. I could not find a pic of a Flex without the white roof, so that's different, plus the xB's bumper sticks out about, oh, seven feet. :D
  • lloydg2lloydg2 Posts: 2
    As a five-time Subaru Outback owner, I was most reluctant to part with a car that has served me well over the years in the hilliest part of Connecticut where AWD is essential during the winter. But when I took on a second dog – a lab – there wasn’t room for two dogs plus all the gear I needed to pack for the drive to a house on an island in Maine in the summer. I didn’t want a van, and I narrowed my search to two options: a 2008 Hyundai Veracruz with 20,000 miles without a blemish and all-new tires, and a slightly less immaculate 2008 Toyota Highlander with 36,000 miles. Both had AWD, which I considered a must.
    It all came down to which vehicle had the most room in the back with the third row seat folded down. The Veracruz won. I concluded what I felt was a good deal with the low-key Hyundai dealer, who didn’t mind my initiating the final bargaining session by email (thus avoiding the usual showroom dance of haggling back and forth with a sales person and the manager). The sale included a 60,000-mile warranty that Toyota couldn’t match.
    Still, it wasn’t an easy decision. While I had been favorably impressed with several Hyundai rental cars, I was nervous about Hundai’s lack of a long track record. I was somewhat reassured when an Internet check showed that while the 2007 Veracruz (the year it was introduced) had some problems they were largely absent in the 2008.
    Now, after driving 3,000 miles, with one trek up to Maine and back, I can only report that so far I am more than happy with my choice. The Veracruz has more horsepower than the Outback and hence gets over a mile less per gallon, but it has a powerful kick when you need to pass quickly. The first time I pressed down on the accelerator to pass I could have sworn the engine was turbocharged. I average 17.5 miles in and around my town, with lots of hills and sharp turns, and just over19 miles on the highway. Not bad for what is essentially a SUV.
    I found the manufacturer’s manual was exceedingly well organized, clearly written and helpfully illustrated. The biggest surprise was discovering that in shifting down I had no less than four gears going from overdrive to first, giving me two more options than the Outback. This is great for saving on brake pads and a big asset for slowing down gradually on snow or ice. Moreover, the suspension is a little softer than my 2007 Outback, giving a much smoother and quieter ride on rough roads.
    My Veracruz is a standard, not a deluxe model, yet it has a lot of small amenities that were absent in my Outback. Among them: a digital tire pressure gauge; two storage bins in the fold-down armrest; two fold-down compartments above the dash for glasses, another cubby for your EZ-Pass, and yet another for small change. The top of the dash has a slightly indented area for placing incidentals that won’t shift every time you brake. Unlike my Outback, the steering wheel has fingertip controls for both the radio and cruise control. The button that opens the gas cap is conveniently located in the door just at the driver’s left elbow. The map stowage in the door swings out 45 degrees for quick and easy access. The backs of the seats all have slip-in storage compartments and placement for car cups.
    With the third seat folded flush to the floor of the cargo area, you have impressive space for a big Golden Lab plus three suitcases and a lot of assorted soft luggage. Hand holds and foldout tie-rings are strategically placed for securing fragile or moveable cargo. A big plus for me was opening the compartment under the cargo mat and finding not only the tire jack but plenty of additional space for tools, flares, first aid kit and the like.
    What’s not to like? I am not crazy about the blue dashboard lights, but have gotten used to them. The standard sound system is only marginally better than the Subaru, although the heat comes up a bit faster. My Veracruz came with a light blueish-grey exterior finish. The interior upholstery is the same light color that shows stains at the drop of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I would recommend future models come with much darker seat covers. When my right rear tire picked up a screw bolt on that island up in Maine, there appeared to be no way to avoid breaking the tire gauge attachment in order to pry the tire off the rim. I have kept the broken part and will be interested in whether with the service dept. can tell me how to avoid busting it with the next tire change.
    In all, the Veracruz has exceeded my expectations. Drive one. If you share my initial hesitation about Hyundai, I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats. I think the VC is one of the more overlooked entries in this class. A while ago I noted how nice I thought the interior was, and after discounts they are a strong value as well.

    I hear the replacement will be a long wheelbase Santa Fe, when it comes. If it gets Direct Injection technology that would be sweet. Hopefully they do not leave out the plush leather it offers now.

    Subaru should have made the Tribeca bigger, note how a happy buyer did not even shop for one. Give it 3 real rows or cancel it.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,769
    We're looking at 3 row SUV's right now as well. Wifey likes the CX-9 and the Pilot. She was ambivalent on the VC - perhaps because it was 98 degrees out and the interior was black. I really like the value of the VC.

    We are going to also look at the Tribeca and Acadia/Enclave. We only wish the new Explorer would be out sooner as my wife is from a "Ford" family who still gives me a hard time for driving "furrin" cars.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    You can buy an American-made Honda pickup or a Mexican-made Ford pickup. Maybe you should remind them of that. :)
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