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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,795
    You can buy an American-made Honda pickup or a Mexican-made Ford pickup. Maybe you should remind them of that.

    Yes I know that I can remind them of that. But as a Ford shareholder, I also wouldn't mind buying a Ford.
  • larryqwlarryqw Posts: 52
    I bought a Ford Taurus X (similar to Flex and the new Explorer in size and on the same platform).

    I looked at the Tribeca and found it too small. The third row was too small even for small children. Maybe luggage or Mothers-in-Law would fit there? (By contrast, my T-X nicely handles 6' mountain bikers in the third row on long trips.)

    I was also intererested in the Acadia/Enclave, but found it was just too big on the outside with not much extra room on the inside. The second row leg room was significantly smaller than that in the Taurus X/Flex/Explorer. I was mostly turned off that it felt like I was driving high up in a big truck instead of like a nice handling car. I imagined the difficulty trying to get into tight parking spaces, etc..

    The new Explorer should also come out with EcoBoost that increases mileage 15% or more, along with better torque/acceleration to boot. The new SYNC system is very nice as well.

    Maybe you can wait a few more months for Ford?
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,795
    Well the X of course is gone. The Flex does not meet the attractiveness quotient required by Wifey.

    I think we'll find the Beca too small as well. Wifey really liked the Saturn Outlook which of course is gone so the Acadia/Enclave are substitutes. She won't look at the Traverse due to the attractiveness quotient.

    The CX-9 is running first as of right now as she's gotten over the Joker Face.

    I think we can hold out for a few more months. The Odyssey is coming up to needed the 105K service and a timing belt - those two work out to about 3 months of payments so it would be a wash wrt to buying now vs buying in October.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Print my Maxi Cooper image above, maybe that will help. :D

    I got an 08 Miata and one of the reasons was I did not want the grin on the 2009s.
  • Just wanted to get some insight from others..we currently have a 2004 Pilot EX-L. Lots of miles. Looking to upgrade to another Pilot (touring) or the 2010 CX-9. Not sure which way to go...afraid I may miss the space in the Pilot (2 small kids) but want some of the bells and whistles (moonroof, power liftgate) without breaking the bank.

    Thanks in advance!
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Not sure which way to go...afraid I may miss the space in the Pilot (2 small kids) but want some of the bells and whistles (moonroof, power liftgate) without breaking the bank.

    Not sure what space you think you might miss novabuyer? If I'm not mistaken the CX-9 has more cargo and passenger room all around than the Pilot plus it looks a great deal better than the Pilot IMO.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Pilot's taller & wider, CX-9's nearly a foot longer. In general, interior advantages for each are as expected... Pilot has more head & hip/shoulder room, CX-9 has more leg room and cargo room. Pilot's boxy cargo area may be easier to pack & its 3rd row is considerably more habitable (only an advantage if you use it). Both are solid choices. Whichever way you go, CX-9 surely has enough room for 2 kids & gear. If you plan on a 3rd kid, Pilot will better accommodate 3 carseats across... that was our deciding factor when we traded our Outback for a Pilot.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    When I test drove the CX9 I liked it, a bit sportier than the Pilot, though it's probably a tad less roomy.

    If you live in Northern VA, as I'm thinking, search fitzmall.com, they have a no-haggle Mazda dealership in Annapolis IIRC, so you can get up-front CX9 pricing hassle-free.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    After checking the numbers I agree. I was more referring to cargo space which the CX-9 has more of (unless you plan on blocking the rear glass with cargo in which case you shouldn't be driving anyway) so what specific spacial issues you have will determine which is better.

    FWIW we chose the Ford Flex over both, CX-9 was a close second, for it's unique styling and near-luxury car interior. We sacrificed a little space for overall first and second row comfort (2 adults and 2 small boys) and I don't regret it.

    I never did drive a Pilot because one look at that strange green fake glass-like center stack made me run away. Far, far away.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    One thing to look for - when you sit in a CX9, make sure your knees are comfy.

    When I sat in one, my right knee space was limited by a protrusion in the center console that was just annoying.

    Oddly, my MX-5 has a similar flaw, but on the left knee (the bottle holder protrudes). Mazda needs to pay more attention to passenger comfort. I velcro'd some black foam in strategic places to pad the area where my knees rest, but the protrusions should not exist to begin with.
  • marley75marley75 Posts: 1
    I am currently searching for a new vehicle to replace my very dependable mazda mpv (2004). This car has been amazing over the past 8 years.... we are a family of 5 with 2 large dogs. I love the reliability and the layout (captain seats, roomy third row, and room for cargo.) So, any suggestions for a replacement? I would like to move out of the minivan stage, but most importantly, I want reliability. Any suggestions would be great!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you've been happy with Mazda and your dealer, the CX9 is a good drive and likely roomy enough for you.

    I would bring the dogs to see if they can easily hop up to the cargo area, since it's likely higher up than a minivan's floor.
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  • driver735driver735 Posts: 14
    I recently purchased a 2012 nissan rogue, after driving it the first couple of days i felt vibrations coming from the car. I took it back to garden city nissan several times, each time i got a different explanation as to what this was. Finally on my last visit i was told that the cvt transmission causes vibrations and this was normal. This vibration makes for a terrible driving experience. An automobile should run smoothly, i suggest any one interested in buying the nissan rogue to find something else.
  • goneroguegonerogue Posts: 1
    I have a 2012 Rogue and experience similar vibrations at higher speeds. I also get a lot of revs during city driving and get a big downshifts or push back when going downhills. I have only had my car for 3 months and the dealer's famous line is "they can't duplicate the problem". I am terribly unhappy with my Rogue. Its very pretty, but the driving problems are pretty bad and from day 1!

    I just filed a BB complaint and hope to get a successful outcome through lewon law.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    Well, it's down to those 3 vehicles that fit my criteria: able to haul a bike WITHOUT removing front wheel, decent gas mileage, fun to drive and around $20-22K. I currently drive a Nissan Altima with the CVT and love it - 70K miles of trouble-free driving and great gas mileage. Have had zero problems with the "so called" vibrations, transmission, etc. It seems a lot of folks don't understand how the CVT works (yes, it's supposed to downshift when going down hills!) and does sound different. Oh, I came from a V6 Nissan Maxima to the Altima and had no problems adjusting to the CVT.

    Leaning towards the Outlander due to the price and longer warranty.....

    Decisions, decisions...... :confuse:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    As long as resale value isn't a big concern. I wonder if Mitsubishi will even be around in 5 years, and orphan cars lose value quickly. If you care about the warranty, you'll probably keep it long term, so it likely won't matter.

    I like the 5, but I wonder if Mazda will soon put a SkyActiv engine in there, and if so you may wish you had waited. I drove a CX5 and it was a bit heavy, but that engine would probably be just fine in the Mazda5.

    Rogue really fits your bike? Seems smallish to me. I tend to like boxier utilities, the new Pathfinder will be boxy but it's way bigger and costlier.
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,235
    godeacs, is it safe to assume you're looking at FWD/4 cyl models? For the Outlander, are you looking at the Outlander Sport (similar in size to the Rogue) or the larger "regular" Outlander?

    I have a loaded '10 Outlander GT (AWD, V6, navi, leather, sun 'n' sound) so if you have any Outlander questions, post them & I'll do my best to answer. Previously I owned a '99 Galant and reliability (10 years/152K miles) was a big factor in buying another Mitsu. It just works.

    ateixeira is right the the Mitsu will depreciate a little faster than the others, but if you're planning to own it for more than 5 or 6 years, that will level out. Since depreciation is measured as a drop from MSRP, it can also be mitigated by getting a good deal up front.

    I obviously don't wonder if Mitsu will be around in 5 years. Frankly, people have been spouting that same tired line for at least 15 years and Mitsu is still here. Daewoo came & went. Pontiac & Olds went. Mercury went. Others have faded away but Mitsu remains a player, albeit a small one. 2011 saw large percentage increases in sales. 2012 has seen that fall off, but to be fair the Galant, Endeavor, and Eclipse are holdovers and have been discontinued. As supply runs out Mitsu won't have offering in those segments. (Mitsu is retooling their Illinois plant to make Outlander Sports and, presumably, other cars on the Lancer platform.)

    Depending on your location and the timing of your decision, you might check out the closest Mitsubishi Owners Day - MOD: http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/company/autoshow.do. I'm in the Chicago area & went to Factory MOD a couple of years ago.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited June 2012
    I just can't imagine the i and Outlander Sport ever doing near the volume that the Galant and Eclipse used to do.

    Around here flagship Mitsu dealers are closing, now they're the 3rd franchise in a big building shared with other brands. That's exactly where Isuzu was just before they failed (Fitz Dodge/Subaru/Isuzu is now Hyundai/Subaru).

    Could be a regional thing, but the writing is on the wall here in the DC area. I hope I'm wrong - the STI needs the EVO rival to keep things interesting.
  • driver735driver735 Posts: 14
    I recently purchased 2012 nissan rogue, after driving it the first day i felt vibrations coming from the car. I brought it back to the dealer several times in an effort to resolve this issue, each time i was told nothing was wrong. On my final visit one of the repair technicians who rode with me told me that the vibrations were a normal part of the way a cvt transmission functioned, and that i would get used to it. It is now 3 months since i purchased the car and it is still a very dissatisfying experience every time i drive. A car should run smoothly. Please if any one is considering buying this car, save your self a lot of aggravation and find something else.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The OP won't be too relieved because the base Outlander also uses a CVT.

    Only the Mazda5 doesn't from his short list.
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,235
    The OP has a CVT-equipped Altima and likes it. That said, when I've ridden in a friend's CVT-equipped I4 Altima I've not noticed any odd vibration issues. There's definitely a disassociation between engine revs & speed/acceleration but NVH was nothing out of the ordinary.

    The Outlander Sport's engine/CVT combo is pretty buzzy but it's only a 2L and is generally considered a little underpowered; the 2.4 in the regular Outlander should be fine.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm fine with CVTs also...so shouldn't be a problem, just some getting used to, for newbies.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    edited June 2012
    Only slight doubt I have about Mitsu is their long term viability in the US. The warranty is a nice feature compared to the competition and I tend to keep my cars for at least 5 yrs and then some (a paid off car is nice....) ;)

    Yeah, if the Mazda 5 had the SkyActiv engine that would probably make my mind up for me. Also, the bike will fit easily in the 5 with room to spare.

    The bike should fit in the Rogue with back seats down - according to my tape measure! Would probably want to bring the bike to the dealer to make sure.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    Yes, have been looking at the Outlander ES since I can get it for around $20K, give or take right now. The Sport is too small for the bike.

    BUT, last night I test drove a 2010 Outlander GT that was fully loaded; 25K miles on it and was owned by an older couple who just traded it in for a 2012. Seemed in superb condition and had more gadgets than I need....navigation, back up cam, etc. They said I could get it for around $25K on a vehicle that went for $33-34K when new. Sound right?

    Not sure I want to spend the extra $5K though esp since I plan on keeping my Altima for a while....
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,235
    Interesting. I'm not sure why someone would trade a 2010 in on a 2012; there weren't any significant updates to the car & 25K miles is "barely broken in".

    I'll say this: You very quickly see the value in the backup cam. After getting it in my '10 Outlander GT I'm convinced I'll get one in every car - sedan or CUV - from here out. I love it. Just this past weekend I had to back in to a narrow parking space (narrow enough that we folded in the mirrors after we got out of the car) in a downtown Chicago lot & pulled it off first try with no need for pulling forward to make corrections.

    On the down side, the 2010 shipped with navi maps that were a little dated even then. There is an update available (released around the beginning of 2012) but it costs almost $200. If you pursue the GT and it's being offered by a Mitsu dealer, make sure they upgrade the maps to the current ones as part of the purchase agreement.

    $25K on a dealer lot sounds reasonable for a pre-negotiation price assuming it also has the Rockford-Fosgate stereo & sunroof. But you can probably get them down to around $23K including the navi update unless they have a lot in it.

    Check Edmunds and other sites that list dealer used car inventories. You should be able to confirm if the equipment level & miles match up to the asking prices.

    GT considerations: Fuel economy on the V6 will be worse than the 4 cyl. I have a lifetime average of 21.2MPG over almost 24K miles. The V6 runs best on premium gas but will do fine on regular or midgrade. You won't notice a power difference. That said, running on regular you'll lose around 0.5MPG so using less expensive gas is cancelled by getting worse fuel economy. Once I determined that I just stick with premium all the time. Here in Illinois that's 92-93 octane w/10% Ethanol.

    No roof rack. You can read batman47's posts in the Outlander threads if that's a concern; he went aftermarket IIRC. Personally, as loading on top the vehicle is awkward and I've not needed to shove anything up there so far, it's not a concern. In any case roof racks are generally bad for aerodynamics and wind noise.

    You should also read batman47's posts about his South American journey in a '10 GT. He took one from sea level to 15K elevation through areas that barely had roads. Definitely gives you a good feeling for the car's durability.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    edited June 2012
    I agree w/your pt about the trade in after only 2 years. Seems strange to me too, which I mentioned to the salesman.

    Yes, the back-up cam is a great safety device but the Nav system I def do not need - or the worry/expense of keeping it updated.

    They have listed the vehicle at $26K and am sure they will come down some. It does have the sunroof (again something I do NOT need) and the Rockford-Fosgate stereo which sounded nice but again something not on my "need to have " list for a new vehicle.

    So...would be paying for stuff I don't need and/or wouldn't use that much. Plus the gas mileage differential is a concern. I want a vehicle that gets at least in the mid 20s, preferably higher, but no hybrid.... ;) And I darned sure to not want to pay fro premium fuel......

    I've read batman's reports and am impressed - though not sure why anyone wouldn't undertake such trips..... :confuse: Nice to know the Outlander survived rather nicely. My driving would not be anywhere as severe.

    So.....if I go the Outlander route the ES should meet all my needs.....

    Thanks for all your comments/tips!

    PS Almost forgot.....the same dealer has a 2010 ES with the same mileage (around 25K) and looks to be in good shape. Asking $15500....both are not "certified" so there's a $10K differential between the GT and ES. probably need to test drive it too....
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,235
    So it did have the sun-n-sound package. I also have the towing kit but otherwise it sounds a lot like mine.

    Regarding the cost of premium, it amounts to an extra $2-2.50 a tank. To me it's insignificant especially since I drive a below-average number of miles. But I can see your point that when you add that to reduced MPG from a V6 and a slight reduction for AWD the difference over a FWD 4 cyl version will be noticeable. I like to have the power on tap and am willing to pay more to get it, but not everyone agrees. :D

    The ES does sound like the better fit for you. If you think of anything other questions please post. You haven't really gotten much feedback on the Rogue or 5 in this thread.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    edited June 2012
    Checked out the 2010 ES tonight; mileage is 24683 and they lowered the price to $14995 according to the sales mgr but their web site had it listed for $14700! The salesman said they would honor the lower price. Will go back in the AM and they will let me take it home for the day to check, make sure the bike fits, OK, etc. Also ran me the Carfax which was clean - 1 owner in 2 yrs, no incidents, etc.

    Edmunds shows dealer retail "clean" at $16284 and "outstanding" as $17224. It's def clean and then some so seems like a good deal. It's been on the lot for 41 days and have lowered to try and sell before 50 days....must not be many used Outlander fans around here..... :D

    Oh, it's Gray/Black which is a nice combo IMO.

    Yeah, we should be posting this in the Mitsu Outlander forum now. No big deal - wasn't expecting much support for the Rogue or Mazda 5 anyway. The 5 is my "back up" vehicle if the bike has issues with the Outlander... ;)
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