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Crossover SUV Comparison

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  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I finally got to sit in a CX-9, Acadia, Outlook, and R320CDi (just for fun). I couldn't really get the CX-9 to be comfortable for 3 rows of adult seating. If the first two were good, the third wasn't. If the first and third was, the second wasn't. The Acadia and Outlook just felt too massive. They felt just too big, almost like a huge body on frame SUV. Headroom in the 3rd row was great, but when equipped with the huge glass skylight, I didn't really like the 2nd row headroom. Even though the R320CDi is every bit as massive (203" long) as the Acadia, it didn't give off a huge vehicle vibe. It had the best use of space, and personally, I'd have less of a problem dropping $53k on it than $43k on the Acadia. Now that we've looked at all the real options for us (R320CDi is not really one of them, but it's an awesome vehicle, getting 21/28 mpg), we're really looking forward to seeing the Veracruz. My wife really likes the Santa Fe, including the way it drives, and with the extra room and versatility the Veracruz offers, she'll probably like it too.
  • nxs138nxs138 Posts: 481
    Concerning options that are of interest to me (sunroof, rear-DVD, NAV and bluetooth), someone please make sure I'm correct in the following statements:

    (1) The Mazda CX-9 comes with all these options, but you can't get the sunroof with the DVD;
    (2) The Lambdas come with all these options except for bluetooth (and you can get sunroof with DVD);
    (3) The Veracruz will not be introduced with NAV nor bluetooth, but will have DVD and sunroof (together?)
  • 07xle07xle Posts: 177
    That is what I understand, at this time.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    Rumor has it that if Hyundai gets their act together and introduces Nav, it will still not have bluetooth. BTW, it's the Korean contingent that wouldn't fund nav for the US Veracruz. HMA was really pushing for it. Hopefully they'll get it... and soon. I don't really want it, but it seems like it should be available given its competition.
  • nxs138nxs138 Posts: 481
    NAV is a "nice-to-have" feature at this moment, as is bluetooth, but in the end both features might be a deciding factor. I had it in my mind that these were both unnecessary luxuries, but over the last few months of having seen both in action in other people's cars, they actually do come in very handy when you need them. I know my wife would love the bluetooth, since she doesn't like holding the phone when she drives, or always sticks it in her purse out of reach from her when it rings.

    I know there's always aftermarket options, but I'm getting sick of seeing wires running all over my dashboard!
  • fromsffromsf Posts: 19
    Is Murano redesigned for 2008? Will it come with 7 Seats?

    Currently CX-9 is pricier than Pilot and Highlander. If redesigned specs of Highlander is better than the current model and if it can comfortably seat 7 adults and CX-9 will have hard time to convince the potential buyers. Considering 2007 redesigned MDX, Pilot will get same ugly roundish look and with no extra dimensions and will be the big time loser.

    Veracruz will be winner of all if they sell with NAV.
  • "Considering 2007 redesigned MDX, Pilot will get same ugly roundish look and with no extra dimensions and will be the big time loser."

    Given that the previous generation MDX and Pilot didn't look much alike, why would you assume that the next generation will?
  • Does anyone have any idea when the Veracruz will be in dealer showrooms in the US?
  • I've seen the Outlook. I like the roominess and the panoramic roof. The interior trim (dashboard, door panels, etc) look a bit bland and cheap. The "heads up display" that's available on the Acadia is not available on the Outlook.

    Haven't seen the CX9 but have checked out the CX7. The interior trim and finish look really chintzy and those red guages are horrible.
  • Our Local dealer says April.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    Those two vehicles will move up in price too, especially if the become big enough to seat 7 comfortably (which they don't do now). The 2007 Santa Fe has around the same interior space as the current generation Pilot.
  • You can't have it both ways. Hyundai can't offer a premium vehicle at a budget price without cutting corners, especially since the Korean currency is appreciating and killing the Korean automaker. Most would not argue that Hyundai's brand image is not that of its competitors although most who have owned or driven Hyundai's over the past 6 years know the vehicles are equivalent or even better. Hyundai cannot put a Nav in a Veracruz Limited, put a price of $40k (38k) US on it and sell them. It won't happen YET!
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I'm 6'3" and I thought head room was awful in both the CX-9 and the Acadia and Outlook. In the CX-9, I was comfotable in headroom in the 2nd row but not the 3rd. In the Acadia and Outlook, I fit in both rows but just barely. My head was close to the ceiling in both. To be honest, sitting in the Acadia was like being in a full size body on frame SUV. It felt so massive and ungainly on the inside. The seats were not uncomfortable, but they looked thin and cheap. The plastic looked good and felt bad, but the CX-9 had the same issue.

    Sitting in the Acadia and the CX-9 made me think that there was no way I was going to pay the sticker for either one of them. I was not impressed with what the vehicles offered for the money as far as the total package. I'm hoping the Veracruz can impress me because I'm running out of options. :(
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    The rumor is that it will start at $26-27k. With all that standard equipment, that's a steal. That would probably make a SE $29k or so and a Limited (which already includes the moonroof) available at around $31-32k. If you added $3,500 for the Ultimate package (Santa Fe ultimate package has the same features) and $2k for nav, you'd still end up at less than $38k. Even with the even softer leather package, it would be less than $40k. A regular old Limited would be good enough for me. It has all the options I want included in the package.
  • lucky_777lucky_777 Posts: 205
    Considering how much effort Honda put in 2007 Civic and 2008 Accord coupe looks, we can expect pretty good looking Pilot for 2008.
  • nxs138nxs138 Posts: 481
    I'm hoping the Veracruz can impress me because I'm running out of options.

    Well, you can always wait it out for the upcoming Highlander and Pilot redesign. I'm waiting to see these unveilings before making up my mind on any new crossovers. I think the Highlander will be unveiled in Chicago in Feb, but not sure about the Pilot.

    My wife does like the Veracruz, it's unfortunate it doesn't have the NAV/bluetooth options.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    Yeah, I agree, but I guess Hyundai Korea didn't feel it necessary to pass on those options from the Korean version.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    Waiting to see Pilot- It should be larger to correct complaint and be more versitile. I'm about 6-3 and room in Acadia was very good. Problem with Sante Fe that mad e me uncomfortable was it was so low.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Considering how much effort Honda put in 2007 Civic and 2008 Accord coupe looks, we can expect pretty good looking Pilot for 2008.

    Have you seen the '07 CR-V, MDX, or RDX? You're also assuming everyone likes the new Civic and next Accord too. The former is better looking but I wouldn't put it in my top 5. The '08 accord is nothing new unless you really liked the last gen Lexus IS300. It's a good thing they make great engines over at the big "H" IMO.
  • lucky_777lucky_777 Posts: 205
    It is impossible to tell how new Pilot or Highlander will look like at this point. All I was saying that I'd like to see all available options before jumping on Veracruz. I have a feeling that Honda, Toyota, and Nissan didn't waste all the years between models to produce a looser.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I'm 6'3" as well. I was very close to the ceiling in both the Santa Fe and Acadia. The seat was closer to the ground in the Santa Fe though.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,815
    "I'm 6'3" and I thought head room was awful in both the CX-9 and the Acadia and Outlook. In the CX-9, I was comfotable in headroom in the 2nd row but not the 3rd. In the Acadia and Outlook, I fit in both rows but just barely. My head was close to the ceiling in both."

    You didn't mention the FreeStyle. It has great headroom.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I haven't actually sat in the Freestyle. I can see the kind of stadium seating effect it has in the roof-line. My wife doesn't like it for some reason though so we didn't really consider it. It's going to be her vehicle so I guess she has to like it. :P
  • hardhawkhardhawk Posts: 702
    I had thought the Freestyle was going to be killed, but it lives for 2008 with the "Edge" front end look and, more importantly, the 250-260 HP V6 that is also going into the 2008 Ford 500. If they can deal with what some consider a less than expensive looking interior it could pop back up on many people's radar screens. I had certainly written it off due to the HP issues. I'll check it out again once the 2008 is out this summer. It certainly has a significant prioe point advantage over many others in this discussion.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    Arumage-Why do you even need a third row? not to be battering, but i've never really understood. I didn't hear you say you have kids, or carry 6 extra passengers(THough really, being 6+ft tall I know I won't be-and no one should- going rear of second row) Just wondering.
    Anyway, looking at the Freestyle, if ford has made the front more bole, and less duck looking(like more sheetmetal, and lsess front overhangs) than this Freestyle would look waaayyy better than the computer animated picture I saw. But I wouldn't dream of asking the wife what she thinks of this-She says she likes the Chrysler Aspen! i really can't wait to see the new highlander/ Pilot. If Honda hasn't raised the price-and seeing that they're not stepping up in market, why should they?-and improve interior space and exterior looks then Honda has a real winner!
    Another thing: Arumage- you say you'd be ready to spend 38g on a loaded VeraCruz(I might have misunderstood) But then you said CX-9 and Acadia were pricey. But loaded Acdia with everything but DVD is like 40g, and with out navigation 38g, and CX- with everything but dvd OR roof is 38g. looks like Hyundai has closed pricing gap!
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,815
    "But loaded Acdia with everything but DVD is like 40g, and with out navigation 38g, and CX- with everything but dvd OR roof is 38g. looks like Hyundai has closed pricing gap!"

    And the loaded FreeStyle Limited is ... what, 33K?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Here are some interior pictures of the Veracruz:

    Leather and headrest look really good:

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    Third row accessibility:

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    Cargo space 2nd/3rd rows:

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    Photos courtesy of Jose @ CSS
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    Another thing: Arumage- you say you'd be ready to spend 38g on a loaded VeraCruz(I might have misunderstood) But then you said CX-9 and Acadia were pricey. But loaded Acdia with everything but DVD is like 40g, and with out navigation 38g, and CX- with everything but dvd OR roof is 38g. looks like Hyundai has closed pricing gap!

    That is indeed true. Everything is really close with the CX-9 squeezing a good procing advantage.
  • Does anyone know what the final HP ratings will be on the Veracruz and when they will be at dealers. My local dealer had NO idea (not a good sign)
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