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  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    How do you get 30 mpg? My friend Joe would like to hear from you! he gets 27 at best! I know I don't ride in the car with you, but 31 mpg is a little out there.

    I read a little while back that some guy thinks an Expedition has the best third row seat out there! I hope we all agree that minivans have the best hands down! I had a Grand Caravan for the family and that was real room. No CUV can outdo that presently- though the Acadia is the closest thing. I still didn't get 30 mpg in that, either, and that was a 3900 lbs vehicle.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    But we're not here to trade insults. Let's stick to the issues and try to be a little more civil. :)

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  • nxs138nxs138 Posts: 481
    I had done some research on gas mileage on these forums, and people in the Freestyle Real World MPG forum do report getting 30 mpg when driving under 65 mph. The real dropoff occurs right near 65 mph, where it seems to drop near 27 mpg or lower.

    So in the "real world", with people driving 70 mph or so, you'd probably rarely see 30 mpg, but it does seem possible.
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    Did they have 08 Taurus and Sable sedans on display?

    No, the only big display was the 08 Taurus X.

    The problem is simply that car shows are for actually climbing in the vehicles, giving you a chance to try a bunch back-to-back. If something is preproduction, that's one thing, but I doubt anyone who was there shopping CUVs/SUVs like the Pilot, Acadia, CX9 etc that were open and ready to be clumb in, gave the Taurus X more than a casual look. Ford's shooting itself in the foot here.
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    "How do you get 30 mpg? My friend Joe would like to hear from you! he gets 27 at best! I know I don't ride in the car with you, but 31 mpg is a little out there.

    I read a little while back that some guy thinks an Expedition has the best third row seat out there! I hope we all agree that minivans have the best hands down! I had a Grand Caravan for the family and that was real room. No CUV can outdo that presently- though the Acadia is the closest thing. I still didn't get 30 mpg in that, either, and that was a 3900 lbs vehicle."

    Buy a FS then and you to can experience what those of us OWNERS are. The fact is I did get the mpg and can do it with regularity with a conscious effort and a light foot.

    Now you are changing topic and retreating now that you want to discuss the 3rd row of the expedition or grand caravan as opposed to being so vehement in you mpg misinformation. Good move on your part as you weren't going to win that one.

    Who cares what we all agree to(or won't...EVER), people around here are befuddled by the attributes of the FS and the fact that in the REAL WORLD there are owners that can get 30+mpg in a package that has usable space behind an occupied third row, gets highest marks for all of the crash and roll over testing, is forward thinking in the fact that they didn't stuff the biggest motor they had in the thing but put their best at the time and attached the very simple and competant CVT to it to maximize its efficiency in a package that is simple and understated in it's design aesthetic(much more successful in monochrome in my opinion as it all comes together as opposed to paint by numbers 2-tone). I just wish the interior materials were a bit better as that is my only real criticism.

    Ford had picked the best from it's corporate parts bins initially and with the '08 has sold it out with the adoption of the 3.5l/6spd for all the simple minded folk that can't wrap their heads around a package that is quite competant in it's current guise because they don't know what a CVT is(piss poor marketing Ford) and a lower hp number(typical american I want more, more, more think because being faster than its competition at introduction is never enough for anyone) and light weight(relatively). Oh yeah and you can get all of this at a price multiple thousands less than msrp and invoice making them significantly cheaper than the competition because people haven't gotten the clue yet.

    Put your dockers on, grab your starbucks and leave your beige development house and go buy the latest hyundai/gmc/saturn/honda/toyota flavor that you will inevitably find flaw with over time just you have with the FS because it was out to market 2 years BEFORE the competition with happy owners. The competition has had 2 years to learn the market that the FS went headlong into making them a little late to the party. Ford's problem is that they have management that didn't know what to do with the segment and now they are walking around with a big spot on their suit pants where they wet themselves for missing a very lucrative and growing market segment and playing to the strengths of the package they introduced initially.

    Is the FS perfect, no, none of them are but you pick your poison and move on.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    No, the Freestyle is being replaced by "Taurus X", so there would be no point in having both models there. The auto shows are there to highlight the newer models.

    They had a Freestyle at the Houston show. Maybe somebody decided to drive off with it. :D
  • jrocco001jrocco001 Posts: 17
    New Acadia owner...I'm getting about 20 mpg mixed city/highway. Not bad at all for such a big vehicle...I'm sure it will be more on a long highway cycle after the engine breaks in, but don't expect much better in the city. I'm not fond of the transmission - it shifts into higher gears way too soon. I understand there is a recall for this issue to re-program the transmission control module...all the other owners on the discussions boards love it (says it makes driveability and performance much better). I've yet to have it done, but wonder how it will impact real world MPG.

    And...no offense, freealphas...I have nothing against the Freestyle, but you must have the only car out there that does better than its EPA ratings....if you're getting 30 mpg @65mpg then good for you...but frankly I think you need to re-measure that. You're doing better than a 4 cylinder Honda Accord, which is much lighter and more efficient than the FreeStyle.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    i agree w/ freealphas 100%.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Actually, there are lots of people who do as well or even better than the EPA numbers. I usually exceeded the EPA numbers, whether I was in my Mazda Millenia or 4 X 4 Ranger or Audi TT or, going back a few years, my Olds Touring Sedan.

    If you notice the tests done in Autoweek, it is not that uncommon to see auto testers (who are not likely to feather the throttle) as often as not meet or come close to the EPA figures. If anything, the EPA numbers, even before the 2008 changes, are conservative for many models. In fact, I doubt I have had a single vehicle that didn't exceed them when the weather and roads and traffic conditions are all good.

    I think part of it is how people drive. If I go 66-70 (which I usually do on the interstates because I like good mileage), absolutely everyone goes flying past me. Why anyone thinks an EPA figure obtained on a cycle going 45 - 55 should approximate anything at 80 is beyond me. Wind resistance effects rise exponentially at higher speeds. The other factor is how loaded down some of these 80 mph missiles are. If you have 4 people are lots of stuff aboard, you're just not going to see high mileage. Same if you weigh 300 lbs (not that there's anything wrong with that, but bigger people come equipped with more mass).
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    My mpg is not the only one, look around the posts for the FS and you will see a lot of people agree with what I'm saying and some of them even have the AWD as mine is FWD which has proven more than capable through winter and all.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Wind resistance effects rise exponentially at higher speeds.

    That's a common mischaracterization but the drag force actually varies quadratically with speed - not exponentially. :)

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  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    I've gotten 31.1 MPG on Interstate highway with my 2WD Freestyle. No mountains and no wind. 62MPH/100KPH. Cruise control on.
  • jrocco001jrocco001 Posts: 17
    Well, that I can certainly believe.

    And I'm sorry - I do not mean to question anyone's honesty. My point (not very well said) is that the 31/32 MPG Freestyle posts seem to want to compare it on this basis to all the other vehicles' EPA numbers, which seems to me to be a little unfair. 31 MPG at 62 mph on a level highway with cruise control seems plausible (and very good for a vehicle the size of the Freestye). However, that seems to the ideal driving condition for maximum mileage, and not what one would likely get in more normal conditions, which the EPA cycle tries to estimate.

    Most cars will exceed the EPA estimate in ideal conditions. My last vehicle usually got 2-3 MPG better than what it was rated when cruising at 70mpg on long trips.

    For the sake of comparison, I'll try to report in on the Acadia once I've broken it in and had a chance to take a longer highway trip (although I simply can't drive 62 MPH on an open road :)
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    "I simply can't drive 62 MPH on an open road"

    You're like most people then. But it wasn't that long ago that the national speed limit was 55MPH. 62 seemed perfectly adequate, and no cop was going to stop you for driving at that speed. 63-65 was a judgement call. Anyone who insisted on driving over 65 spent a lot of time on the shoulder of the road with their license and registration in hand.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    Many states are moving some straight highway speeds up to 70mph. I know Texas does on some highways. It makes it hard to hit that mpg sweet spot without someone giving you the finger. :P
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Yes, our driving culture is strange. Seems at times to be a license to be discourteous or obnoxious.

    Granted, American drivers are some of the very worst I have encountered anywhere (unable to back up and resume going forward without a big pause, unable to exercise simple evasive maneuvers, routinely drive too fast for conditions, are unaware of vehicles around them, take corners like they are driving a loaded hay wagon, tailgate at speed but can't seem to merge at speed into expressway traffic, cut people off, yada yada), but nonetheless, so many feel an entitlement that is totally unwarranted, and a tendency to yell or flip the bird even when when they are at fault.

    So someone drving in the right lane at 65 should not be penalized by the impatient guy who discovers the left lane is even more tied up at the moment...so Mr. 65-on-the-right must purposely be trying to impede his progress.

    Left lane bandits are another story, or another example of typically incompetent American driving. Whoa, did I get off topic. Let's all try to be both a bit more tolerant out there, and a lot more alert...and now we resume the CUV discussion. :)
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I try not to get angry at those driving the speed limit or higher. I save my anger for those driving way under the speed limit and those pulling some of the maneuvers you described.

    In many other countries, it is harder to get your driver's license and costs alot more money. It's also harder to get your license back after many driving transgressions. Many Americans also view driving as a right, rather than a privelege.

    Quick question: Has anyone with one of the CUV's listed in this forum actually towed anything yet? I'd like to hear what some people think as I will be doing some light duty towing from time to time.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,732
    "The Edge has the same drivetrain and gets 18/25 miles per gallon. The 3.5L V6 is also heavier than the 3L V6"

    The Edge is also 400 lbs heavier than the FS.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,732
    "Many states are moving some straight highway speeds up to 70mph. I know Texas does on some highways. "

    New Mexico and Arizona have 75 MPH limits on Interstate 40. Believe me, with 40 miles between cities, you need that speed... :shades:
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,732
    "Left lane bandits are another story, or another example of typically incompetent American driving. "

    Not really. There is no law requiring one to move to the right hand lane, such as there is in Europe. So those people are perfectly legal (if a bit frustrating). :mad:
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