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Crossover SUV Comparison

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  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    Actually, with all the same options, the Freestyle is just under $36k and doesn't include a premium stereo option, power liftgate, turn signals on the mirrors, etc. The Freestyle also has the worst interior, least features, least power, and worst performance. Gas mileage is now also negligible. $38k for the Hyundai included a speculatory nav system were they to offer it. The Acadia is still $2k more expensive for a fully loaded model. It also doesn't offer features such as rain sensing wipers, push button start (with the keys in your pocket), keyless entry (without ever touching your keys), and the stereo lacks a couple hundred watts in comparison. It may price up quick, but the Veracruz Limited base package looks like it will be $4k cheaper for the same options.

    I almost forgot the CX-9. The CX-9, without moonroof because of rear entertainment, is a little over $39k. It has 20" wheels which offsets the price of a moonroof. It also has a backup camera and bluetooth. It's really not a bad deal in comparison to the others... but it felt so much smaller than it was on the inside IMHO
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    The current estimate is April at the latest. The same thing happened with the Santa Fe. Alot of dealers had no idea when these things were coming in.
  • music287music287 Posts: 116
    We have a CX-9 GT on its way from Tacoma to Cleveland as I write but, we've never seen one in the flesh. We have the right of refusal, btw. We feel we got a good deal ($700 over invoice.) I just compared the interior/exterior specs with...the Pacifica using the published data in their respective brochures. I don't know but, the PAC is back in the running because in many specs it exceeds the Mazda. It has a new engine and tranny, it has heated captain's seats in the 2nd row, it has a PLG available right now, and it has bluetooth, rear camera, very similar 3rd row specs, available hid xenons and, as far as I can tell, only one negative: slightly less space behind the 3rd row. Here's the kicker: It's about $5K less money.

    What am I missing here? I may spend some of the loot on a Chrysler extended warranty and laugh all the way to the bank. Hmm...

    Jay
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I can tell you that the CX-9 is just as sweet looking in person as it is in the pictures. Third row room is better in the CX-9, including headroom. My wish is that I could fit back there with enough headroom, which I can't in either the Pacifica and CX-9. I might be asking to much. Since I haven't seen the Veracruz, the only vehicles to do this so far are the Acadia, Outlook, and Santa Fe. With all things equal to the CX-9, the Pacifica is $38k (but it has a moonroof included in that). Does that $5k include deals?
  • 07xle07xle Posts: 177
    Pacifica has lousy mileage and requires PREMIUM fuel.

    Freestyle is just a station wagon at this point.
  • music287music287 Posts: 116
    Not true, 07xe. Pacifica 4.0 uses RUG. EPA is 16/22 for the CX-9 awd and 16/23 for the PAC awd. Also: rear headroom for both is listed as 39.4". As I said, the PAC is looking more interesting. FYI, my dealer, whom I've bought three other cars from over the years, offered $100 above invoice on the PAC. There's currently a $1500 rebate; I know it's been as high as $2500, btw. This brings a loaded Touring Signature in at about $5K less than the Mazda.

    As I wrote: Hmmm...

    Jay
  • fromsffromsf Posts: 19
    Remember PAC (Dodge/Chrsyler) has worst resale value and it's six seater if I am correct.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,844
    "Actually, with all the same options, the Freestyle is just under $36k and doesn't include a premium stereo option, power liftgate, turn signals on the mirrors, etc."

    The Limited includes the Audiophile stereo upgrade. I realize that the MSRP is as you state, but I have seen many people posting deals at 32K - or less - for a Limited FreeStyle. Many of the other brands are not available at a discount.

    I get about 25 MPG on the freeway, 20 - 21 in town, and I have no problems with the performance. I would be rather shocked if any of the others got near this MPG.

    To each his own, I suppose.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,844
    "EPA is 16/22 for the CX-9 awd and 16/23 for the PAC awd. "

    Not to compare performance, but that vehicle will yield you 14 MPG in town and 20 on the road. I get 20 / 25 on my Freestyle, with great room inside and performance that is fine (in my opinion) for a family vehicle.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    If people are getting those deals, you are still comparing apples and oranges. For most performance between these will be negligible, but it takes a lot more grunt from the engine to get the Freestyle moving. Audiophile? An aftermarket head unit has more wattage to 4 channels. Let's see the specs:

    Freestyle 7 speakers 190 watts
    Veracruz 10 speakers 605 watts
    Acadia 10 speakers with 5.1 ? watts

    I wouldn't be shocked if anyone got the EPA mileage if they'd keep their lead foot off of the accellerator. I've never had a problem getting the mileage out of any of the vehicles I've owned. The point is moot anyway because I need atleast 3000 lbs of towing for my lawnmover (heavy trailer, commercial zero turn mower). The current Freestyle can't do that, and frankly, I'm not impressed with the boxy wagon look. The Pacifica does the wagon/suv look much better.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    The Freestyle AWD is rated 19/24. By your calculations, you should be getting 17/22. You are still providing biased comparisons of gas mileage. If you like your Freestyle, I'm happy for you, but IMHO there are better vehicles to be had right now. Maybe, Ford will improve upon the Freestyle's vehicle dynamics. I know it gets a significant horsepower bump which will also decrease its EPA numbers.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    I know it gets a significant horsepower bump which will also decrease its EPA numbers.


    Maybe, maybe not. The Duratec35 with the 6-speed tranny in the Edge gets decent mileage. IIRC the Edge and Freestyle are roughly the same weight so you're probably looking at something like 18/25 give or take in the '08 Freestyle, which should hit dealer lots soon BTW. '07 is a short model year for the Five Hundred and Freestyle in case you're wondering.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    The current FWD Freestyle is listed at 20/27 so it's taking a 2 mpg loss for 60hp or so, but that's still acceptible compared to the competition. It actually ought to be very fast considering it's fairly lightweight for its size. I like the new grill too. I'm just not sold on the profile and the current interior. GM has improved leaps and bounds in the interior department so I think Ford can improve. I'll definitely give it a second look when it comes out.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,844
    "I'm just not sold on the profile and the current interior. GM has improved leaps and bounds in the interior department so I think Ford can improve."

    The Freestyle was built from the inside out. It started with a Volvo platform, then added very large windows and stadium seating. The exterior was then styled like a Ford Explorer. I have mistaken Explorers for Freestyles from a distance, especially from the rear.

    The result is a car that does not ride like any Ford I've owned - it rides like a Volvo, has a "command" seating position while not requiring anyone to climb into the car, enjoys truly wonderful visibility for all occupants, has 5 star safety ratings (4 star rollover rating), and gets 20/25 MPG (my real world, not EPA). It's main drawback has been dismal Ford advertising (and lack thereof), and the low towing maximum (2000lbs).

    It was designed for efficiency and comfort. I would recommend that anyone wanting seating for seven check it out - along with the other choices, of course, and so long as you don't need to tow.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I'll probably talk my wife into taking another look in 2008. (I only inform her of the details I've found and my opinions.)Towing should go up to 3500 lbs like the Edge.
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 839
    I noticed a Freestyle this morning on the way to work. From the looks of it's size and specs I'm seeing on Edmunds...I think this was meant to be more competition for Mini Vans than SUVs, even though it looks more like an SUV. I'm comparing it to an Envoy XL (2002-2006). The Envoy is about the same width, taller, longer, heavier but has a much more powerful std engine in the 4.2L I6 with optional V8. Much more towing and with the longer length, more comfortable 7 passenger seating. I think Ford took a shot with the Freestyle and missed the boat...not quite enough room to compete with the Sienna & Odyssey...not enough power to compete with SUVs such as the Envoy XL. This may be where it really came up lacking and never really caught on. Kind of a 'tweener... neither a good mini-van replacement nor a SUV. Now, competing with the Lambada, I think power/performance and size will still hold it back. A refresh with a stronger engine might help, but the larger interior will be to the advantage of the Acadia/Outlook.

    Now that I think about it, if they had put the Freestyle out under the Volvo brand, it might have worked better than under Ford, but I don't know if that would have fit the plans. It does look like a decent vehicle if you are willing to compromise on a few things, just there are some more attractive options to choose from.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    Now that I think about it, if they had put the Freestyle out under the Volvo brand, it might have worked better than under Ford,

    They did. It's called the XC90. Same platform anyway.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    neither a good mini-van replacement nor a SUV

    Exactly...that's what a CUV is supposed to be...somewhere between a car, minivan and SUV. The fact that you can't place the Freestyle in either of these 3 categories indicates that it's a true CUV, as compared to some SUVs trying to "pretend" they're a CUV.

    As far as comparing an EnvoyXL to a Freestyle, the XL is 7" longer, but has 3" less 2nd row legroom, 2" less 3rd row legroom, and worse mpg than the Freestyle.

    I agree that the interior quality of the plastics isn't up to par for a $35K vehicle, but I only paid $24K for mine 2 years ago, and even at $27K today you get lot of space, a great ride, good car-like handling, low climb-in height, and good mpg in the Freestyle. But if flashy style and luxurious plastics are the main thing you're looking for, then I'd go elsewhere. The Freestyle is definitely function before form.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    the freestyle is also a currently sold model.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    You didn't mention the FreeStyle. It has great headroom
    Yeah, but legroom isn't that great. Here's my thing on Freestyle pricing. it will hit 35-36 grand loaded. But models do go for pretty low. That's becasue 27-30g is all ppl wanna pay for this vehichle. It lacks some of todays hot features, as well as styling, and power. interior quality inside isn't great. Ford's got more to do than just a little face lift, some more power, and a little interior upgrade to keep up with CX-9 cousin and Vera Cruz and Acadia.
    About keyless VeraCruz thing-Hyundai doesn't offer remote start like the outlook does. Looking at those photos, third row space in Vera Cruz doesn't look great. But I'll see in Chicago.
    Someone said that what you should define CUV by is that you can't put it in one category. but what I say is that it should be defined as a wanna be vehichle. A wanna be SUV that combines all the best qualities of an SUV, van, and sedan(sport-luxury). At least that's what the most capabe ones are. Then you see the Murano/ Edge. THey are great, but sporty 5door cars with ground clearance.
    I hope someone with find spyshots of 08 Pilot and Highlander(Is it true this will be in Chicago?).
  • guyfguyf Posts: 456
    I rented a Pacifica for a business outing once. My daugther tried the 3rd row and there was a rumbling back there that would make her sick. No problem in our XC90 3rd row.
  • I don't know but the black interior in my Limited is very classy, much better than previous fords, has the soft touch everybody wants and is very functional. I came out of an explorer and an Odyssey before that and it is the best all around for my family anyway.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    i was wrong, a 3rd row is available in a pacifica.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    I didn't hear any rumbling when I rode in the back, but headroom was awful. I know it's listed as having the same headroom as the CX-9, but that's totally wrong. Although the headroom is not where I'd like it to be in the CX-9, it most certainly is better than the Pacifica. My wife is 5'7" and her head touched the ceiling in the Pacifica.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    what year was your explorer? i have an '02 with v8 and towing package. i really load it up when going on vacation.
    last summer 5 people, cargo box on top, hitch mounted bike rack with 4 bicycles out back. stuff under all the seats, covering up the rear window, no room for feet in the second row, only one person could fit in the 3rd row. beverly hillbilly's at it's best. :)
    i'm just wondering if the freestyle is up to that kind of load?
  • "They did. It's called the XC90. Same platform anyway. "

    Actually, the Freestyle is only "based" on the XC90, since the XC90 uses boron steel in the roof and an aluminum subframe for the rear suspension, something the Freestyle uses regular steel for.
  • All very good in this overall comparison. Freestyle still gets my vote, because its best in:
    1. fuel economy
    2. crash ratings
    3. competitive nimble handling
    4. CVT is the best tranny here -- optimal selection of drive ratios at all times.
    But the Freestyle lacks stability control (anti-skid intervention), so its a tough choice. Freestyle, and others in this group, are probably short of enough boron steel or aluminum structurally efficient parts, as Mitsubishi has managed to include in the Outlander's roof, for example, at a reasonable price.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    1. fuel economy This is true by 2/1
    2. crash ratings It's the only one besides the Pilot to be tested yet so we don't know if it will remain true.
    3. competitive nimble handling You haven't driven a CX-9 yet, have you?
    4. CVT is the best tranny here It's also the cause for the low towing rating, many shops don't know how to fix it, and it has a peak torque rating of 258 ft. lbs.

    The Freestyle is a great entry in many ways especially fuel mileage, room, and actual purchase price, but unfortunately, it's looks, towing, and engine (bring on the 3.5L) are not up to par with other manufacturers. Ford needs to really push it in 2008 when atleast two of those are remedied.
  • hardhawkhardhawk Posts: 702
    The 2008 Freestyle will have stability control.
  • rick2456rick2456 Posts: 320
    Apparently the FS won a reprieve with Ford according to this article.

    http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060125/FREE/60123015/1024/Lates- tNews
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